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London Woolwich killing - What did i just see and HEAR!

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posted on May, 23 2013 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by AriesJedi
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Infowars say this attack may prompt Bristish Gov't to get that Communications Data bill passed where they will be 'allowed' to snoop on everyone.

They do it anyway so I suppose this is so that any info gleaned will be admissable in court.????

Keep looking everyone, they are up to something and we need to know what it is.

Yes they are, they are trying to stop most of us from being bombed and murdered!!
What the hell is wrong with people? Some of the posts on here are jaw droppingly stupid beyond belief!
This WAS a terrorist attack, no doubts, no questions. To then go and question the press and medias role in reporting that abomination makes me question peoples sanity. That scum was filmed on mobiles from every angle and every word that piece of vermin spouted is in the public domain. Unless you are living in a cave, you are now fully aware of what he said without any ambiguity whatsoever. Whether the press have cherry picked the most salient points of his rant is neither here nor there FFS!!
The argument as to whether we should be in Afghanistan or shouldnt have gone into Iraq is something that only those citizens of those countries can answer, not us. The notion that an extreme Muslim fundamentalist organisation can and does speak for the millions of Muslims throughout planet Earth is a pretty weak viewpoint. It would be like suggesting that the BNP/EDL speak for all us indiginous whitey UK citizens.....

Maybe we need to ask the Iraqis whether they initially welcomed the coalition forces in to topple Saddam Hussain, the Afghans whos families were being murdered by the Taliban, the girls who were banned from receiving an education or that little girl who was shot through the head in Pakistan for daring to confront the taliban head on through her blogs. What about THOSE people? Oh, and that girl who was shot? Well big bad UK flew her here for life saving free treatment and a place to live for the rest of her life, if she so wishes.
The fact that Iraqis are killing each other and we are merely treading water in Afghanistan has more to do with the multitude of tribes that have decided to kill each other. Tell you what, more people have died in Iraq since the forces left than when they were there, killed by their own people...........
The last point id like to make is this. How is it that the racist scum of the EDL could organise up to 150 demonstrators to home in on Woolwich in the space of a few hours but the muslim community could muster no more than half a dozen "community leaders" who, naturally, condemed the murder but, well, how long does it take to organise a protest march of hundreds of muslims condeming the radicalisation of their religion?
Deeds not words.
Maybe they know that many, many muslims, if not agreeing with what has happened, have empathy for that utter rubbish.
You dont like the culture here? Not happy with how the country is run? Emigrate. Its what millions of Brits have done, all seeking a life that they feel is more suited to their needs. Is it THAT difficult to grasp?




posted on May, 23 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by LFN69

Originally posted by AriesJedi
______beforeitsnews/alternative/2013/05/british-ministers-call-for-mass-government-snooping-in-wake-of-woolwich-attack-2658774.html

Infowars say this attack may prompt Bristish Gov't to get that Communications Data bill passed where they will be 'allowed' to snoop on everyone.

They do it anyway so I suppose this is so that any info gleaned will be admissable in court.????

Keep looking everyone, they are up to something and we need to know what it is.

Yes they are, they are trying to stop most of us from being bombed and murdered!!


Really? Shucks. If I knew that, I would have told them the solution long ago.

"Do on to others, as you would have them do onto you."

A simple plan, really. Works effectively. Don't want someone to bomb and murder you? Just don't bomb and murder them.

Done.

Invite them in for tea and biscuits instead.



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Krakatoa

Originally posted by kosmicjack
Besides the obvious violence and craziness of it all - it struck me how people were just milling about. How someone was just casually documenting it all.

We are so screwed.


One word comes to mind in response to that, "Eloi"
We are seeing the birth of the Eloi on this planet. Watching someone drown in front of them, not lifting a finger ot an eyebrow to help.


Very sad.


DEMONS.

What you're seeing is demonic activity.

The killed soldier did a tour in Afghanistan, one of the most demonic lands on earth. He must have killed Afghans over there. The demons simply followed him back to Britain. The demons then took possession of suitable hosts, and wielded those African guys like weapons. Their version of Islam opened their souls for possession by the demons. That's how they were so calm and deliberate. That's why nobody in the public reacted, they were all mesmerized by the demonic forces at work on that street. This is evidence of a huge demonic force that has infected Britain. You can expect more of this to play out. The demons can move from body to body. A similar thing happened in the US, not too long ago. An army psychiatrist who used to treat Afghan war vets, suddenly went on a rampage and killed a whole bunch of soldiers in an army camp. No one could figure out why he did it. What made him snap? It's simple, really. The troubled soldiers he was treating were infected by demonic spirits they brought back from Afghanistan. One of the demons hopped bodies and took possession of the army psychiatrist, twisted his mind, and used him as a weapon to attack the camp, right there in the US.

If you don't accept the reality of demonic possession, you're just left with an ongoing sequence of seemingly random unexplained "crazies" that keep popping up here and there from time to time.

But, if you accept the demonic exists, you can plot their path, follow them, and estimate where they are likely to strike next.

Like a virus, they hop from body to body, by contact or proximity. That means, someone in the hospital where the guys are being treated will likely be the next host. Don't be surprised if a crazed doctor or nurse goes on a rampage next.

That's how you track the demons.



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 06:29 PM
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rather than agree or disagree, i'd suggest you take that idea and write it. I think it's got legs.....seriously i would watch that film! you may be right for all i know. I can't explain with empathy why they did what they did... all i know is i'm scared by where this may take our Society. I see a real nasty side to English culture.... write it or i will! ;-)



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 06:47 PM
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ok you lot

um...for your kind attention


i saw two videos that have now made me think the terrorist thing could be true..

though i still think that they knew him...

this was the first video that shocked me to the core
i honestly felt my legs give way

and one thing is obvious.... they were definatly known...so no point in new snooping laws
just new people in those jobs




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posted on May, 23 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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that would be a good line for their lawyer temporary insanity / via demonic possesion



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by AriesJedi
You could be right, something NOT right here.
the-tap.blogspot.co.uk...

Why convine a COBRA meeting over something like this. Stuff like this has happened before.

I have another theory but it's too wacky even for ATS.


you know what i found VERY odd from that video and moreso the picture in the URL you posted?
why is there a massive freight truck parked there as if it was blocking traffic. could be a air cooled truck suitable for moving things necessary if you understand what i'm implying



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by NoTarSed
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rather than agree or disagree, i'd suggest you take that idea and write it. I think it's got legs.....seriously i would watch that film! you may be right for all i know. I can't explain with empathy why they did what they did... all i know is i'm scared by where this may take our Society. I see a real nasty side to English culture.... write it or i will! ;-)


This is an old story. Been made into movies many times. It comes right out of the Holy Bible.

Of course, the specific events are new and modern. But the type of things are as old as written scriptures.

If you write about this, make sure to investigate the life story of the King of the Demon Killers, Padma Sambhava, born in the Swat Valley of Afghanistan. From there, you'll get an idea of what we're dealing with.

e.g.


Padmasambhava (Sanskrit) "the lotus-born," Guru Rinpoche (Tibetan), "the precious master."

He is one of the most important characters of Tibetan Buddhism.

As a prince, he married the princess Bhasadhara. After few years, he disappointed his father and was thus sent into exile. He settled into a graveyard into the wilderness, becoming friend of the dakinis and meditating upon life and death. He started to travel from graveyard to graveyard, always studying the sacred texts and meditating, and he became disciple of various spiritual masters.

Once a master himself, he traveled extensively through northern India and Nepal, winning many people to the Buddhist faith. He performed also miraculous feats, and his name became widely known as one of the greatest master of his age.

He was subduing various demons in the mountains of Nepal and Bhutan when he was reached by emissaries sent by Trisong Detsen, King of Tibet. The king was building a Buddhist monastery in Samye, but he was confronting the fierce opposition of local deities and their worshipers. With his exorcist powers, Padmasambhava defeated them and the great Samye monastery was finally built and consecrated.

He then gave initiation to his new Tibetan disciples, the king among them. He took as spiritual consort the queen Yeshe Tshogyal, and traveled with her, hiding in secret caves holy texts to be discovered in the future, the so-called gter-ma, "spiritual treasures."

After that, he left Tibet for the demon-land, where he established the Pure Land called "The Glorious Copper Mountain" (Tibetan Zangs-mdog dpal-ri).



www.pantheon.org...

Demons, devils, spirits, and ghosts, this was his lifelong study. Exorcism of persons and places, this was his skill, for which many sought out his help. From there, you'll get an idea of the forces at work in the region, where those modern soldiers are figthing, believing that all is physical and the battles are all about bullets and bombs. The demons there don't need bullets and bombs, they use people as weapons, infect minds, and cause earthquakes.



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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Short on time so I'm going to skip ahead...Don't know if anyone posted this yet...What do ya think???

Muzlim terrorist a hoax...



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 10:01 PM
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This is one of the ladies who was leaning down beside the soldier that we are told was missing a head...

She apparently didn't realize the head was missing...



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 10:15 PM
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it is propaganda because there is a sense of major war with the islamic world and it keeps growing and getting more dangerous.Muslim world does the same propaganda game.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 06:21 AM
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I agree with him.
you are being fooled.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 06:26 AM
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I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man.
I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, but I don't push it on others.
I believe in British products and buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and not to some governmental
functionary, to share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; it makes you a smart Brit.
I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.
Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you should do it in English.
I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff and Winston Churchill and I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes
. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.
I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was...so stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!
If you were born or legally migrated here and don't like it... you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you.
I believe it is time to really clean house, starting with the House of Commons, the seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, and why are they always part of the problem and not the solution?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause....Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown anywhere in the United Kingdom !

If this makes me a BAD Brit, then yes, I'm a BAD Brit.

We want our country back! My Country..... My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer
War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2.
I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm.
Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends died in Afghanistan and Iraq .
None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole.
British students took it down. Guess who was expelled...the students who took it down.

West London high school students were sent home, because they wore T- shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is
enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; and every Briton needs to stand up for Britain .
We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions who died fighting in wars for this country, and for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to make this a racist message. IT IS
NOT !

Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

We've gone so far the other way... bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN ! ! !

Made in BRITAIN & DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!!"
AMEN



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by gladtobehere
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How is what a terrorist attack, his wall of text?


Look up the word Terror and the word Terrorist and you'll have your answer.

These kind of tactics are not new. Columbian cartels have been using them for many years. Hindu Extremists in Nepal use them against Christian Missionaries. Nigerian warlords use them against their own people to keep control. A rapist attacking a young woman in downtown New York is a form of Terrorism. Something as simple as a violent/aggressive serial stalker can be classed and even tried as a Terrorist.

They are all considered Terror attacks..!!
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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:28 AM
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well said
i just love your pic was in knots at it



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Wtf is this? Story-telling time? Just because you don't have enough substantial knowledge to explain reality doesn't give you the right to invent the most ridiculous theories and spread them to the gullible.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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What I find bizarre are the names of the two suspects. They're both named Michael and while their surnames are slightly different, they both start with "Adebo..". Have The Times/Telegraph made a typographical error or something of that nature?
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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by sleepdealer
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Wtf is this? Story-telling time? Just because you don't have enough substantial knowledge to explain reality doesn't give you the right to invent the most ridiculous theories and spread them to the gullible.


Sorry, I'm not that inventive. I just read a lot. If I were that creative I'd be writing Hollywood scripts, instead of posting old well known stories on ATS .


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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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Yes, they are ancient beliefs, but it looked like you added your own twist to it. Still ridiculous.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Well, I certainly do not agree what happened, but you should SEE and HEAR the complete interview with the man here,



And than ask yourself why mass media don't show this!!!



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