Stockholm burns as rioters battle police after three days of violence in immigrant 'ghetto' Read

Stockholm burns as rioters battle police after three days of violence in immigrant 'ghetto'

www.dailym ail.co.uk

Hundreds of youths attacked police and emergency services last night as rioting in Stockholm's poor immigrant suburbs escalated.

Yesterday's violence, which has intensified over three days of rioting, saw gangs torch dozens of cars and attack two schools and a police station.

It is Sweden's worst disorder in years and has shocked the country and provoked a debate on how Sweden is coping with youth unemployment and an influx of immigrants.

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Given Sweden's 24.7% youth unemployment, I wonder just what will happen to the 60% of unemployed youths in Greece and Spain when school lets out this summer? I think we will see a lot more of this happening throughout the region.

Not sure if this is where this should go Mods feel free to relocate it if need be.

www.dailym ail.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

It's going to be a very hot...very long..very violent summer. I wonder what the fall protest season will look like afterward? Occupy with small arms and sandbags to replace welcome tables and signs?

Here is hoping They restore order in the riot areas before more people get hurt. Why is it rioters always focus on destroying THEIR OWN neighborhoods and local services? Yeah, that's a sure way to see to better conditions, eh? Just kick the burned debris out of the way while walking to those great new accomplishments which rioting brings. Ugh...

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I totally agree with you. And I'll bet those will be the first to complain when taxes rise to cover the reapir costs.

People need to understand that Violence / Rioting solves NOTHING!!! it only creates more problems and destruction!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Why is it rioters always focus on destroying THEIR OWN neighborhoods and local services?

I've wondered the same thing!

Is there a connection between the mentality and the high unemployment rate? I could be crazy but.....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Subject was first noted on Sunday by ATS member 'cabin'

True story is here in papers today but credit to original I think.

Regards

PDUK

Originally posted by billy565
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Why is it rioters always focus on destroying THEIR OWN neighborhoods and local services?

I've wondered the same thing!

Is there a connection between the mentality and the high unemployment rate? I could be crazy but.....

Hi Billy!!
You bring up a very valid point. I believe what you said is true.

reply to post by ParanoidAmerican


The "youth" quoted in the article you posted refers to immigrant youths. Just like in Norway a couple of years ago. Immigrants (i.e. Muslims) were upset about Norway not giving aid to another Islamic country and rioted setting cars, dumpsters and even buildings ablaze.

Islam is a problem in Europe. Even if the political correct try to claim otherwise. It's time we start to really consider what we're doing. In fifty years, these peaceful European countries will have the crime rate of Detroit. It does bother me to say this as I have nothing against peaceful Muslims. But a lot of these "youths" come from relatively peaceful Muslim immigrants.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


They don't.
Most of the instigators are from other, rivalling, suburbs. There are also a lot of random psychos who come out to play when the chaos erupts...arsonsists for example.

I've been looking at some of the internet comments that rallied the violence after an incident when the police shot dead one hostagetaker. My conclusion is that people are more likely to take hearsay and other rumors more seriously than hard facts or even regular media outlet (kind of reminds me of "the lower levels" of ATS).

Me, myself got this information thrid hand (be advised) but to illustrate an example, I'll provide it fourth hand: police officers out in the suburbs in question had a dialogue with some of the kids out there during daytime (riots are at night) and some of them didn't even know that they could become police officers themselves when they grew up. They thought that it was a white mans "privilege" which is wrong on so many levels (there force is very much integrated and ethnically diverse and besides that, being a cop is a #ty job, not a privilege). Some of them also thought that the Primie Minister, Fredrik Reinfledt is kurdish. Yeah, they really thought so. Talk about not giving a horses ass about gathering some basic info.

The situation out in the suburbs is bad, real bad. I personally like to blame neoliberalism and cultural relativism. During the last ten years or so, the poor has been getting poorer. The Swedish currency is strong which makes commodities more expensive while salaries stay at the same level. Having right wing extremists in the parliment doesn't make it better either. Integration has been severly hampered due to racist rethorics (from both ends of the conflict).

I wouldn't say these riots are the worst so far, but surely so far this year. It is going to be like this more and more until we get some proper social responsibility and love for one another back into national politics. Right now it is all money, growth, consumerism, corporate cartels, capitalsim and all that jazz...
You reap what you sow hasn't been more true.


Your man in the field:
Raud

Originally posted by billy565
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Why is it rioters always focus on destroying THEIR OWN neighborhoods and local services?

I've wondered the same thing!

Is there a connection between the mentality and the high unemployment rate? I could be crazy but.....

yeah really...why don't they sink some yachts, set fire to mansions, destroy the toys of the wealthy...they think burning down some local grocery shop run by a family trying to make a living, is somehow damaging the ones in charge. stupidity and rage does not make for a well-thought-out plan

Originally posted by Auricom
reply to post by ParanoidAmerican

 

Islam is a problem in Europe. Even if the political correct try to claim otherwise. It's time we start to really consider what we're doing.

You should come to some of the cities here in France such as Marseille or the suburbs of Paris... Marseille is not called Kalachnikov city for nothing

I think that other EU posters here can also say that crime rates caused by 3rd or 4th generation "immigrants" are getting higher and higher in quite a few large EU cities.

And before some posters start... Yes, i am an immigrant in France... so no comments about racism please.

BUT what can be done about it?... absolutely nothing... Thanks to the top bodgers in Brussels!

Kindest respects

Rodinus

reply to post by Auricom


So Detroit has high criminality despite not being muslim?
And the outbreak of WWII, not very long ago, occured despite the absence of muslim immigrants?
So "un-peaceful" musilms are violent because, or despite them turning to Islam?

Sorry, makes no other sense than racsist logic which I cannot take seriously.

reply to post by jimmyx


Well, Jimmy.. It might make far more sense if they looked around and found ways to create, not destroy. Work, not complain of having none...and if that nation isn't fit to handle so many of their number? Move on to one that IS better suited to the influx of people for services to support them.

Destroying the local area and terrorizing the citizenry with riots is a great way to make their position FAR FAR WORSE....not better. The fact they aren't, generally speaking, from that nation? Well, that will make the backlash they bring upon themselves far more immediate and harsh, IMO.

We'll see. I'm very interested to watch how it develops out there in Europe. As they go now, so go we in time. Same problems, same issues, same outcomes and all for the same reasons.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


Thank you for pointing that out I did a search and came up empty.

reply to post by ParanoidAmerican


damn, 24.7% is too high, whats the stat for US?

reply to post by Lamegame


7.6 but that is a gross underestimation. I would bet it is around 18% so many have fallen off of benefits and stopped looking for jobs.

According to this it could be much worse..Youth under employment and unemployment

reply to post by Lamegame


Sometimes ignorance is bliss......

12-21% on females 16-24 and 14-26% on males 16-24yrs old.

Employment by Demographics

* It's a much worse set of numbers...a bit further down..and broken down by Race. Recovering nation? Yeah.. for who?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Daum! That's bad. What's even worse is that the numbers rise dramatically in small, local communities, like the ones in question in this thread. You can easily reach levels of 30-40% and then it gets to acritical mass...
It has been said before but the youth is our future. If they can't feel like they have a place and purpouse in it, they'll stop caring about society, about fellow citizens, about anything really but themselves. It is a very simple equation and history is overflowing with examples of what outcome you'll have from that kind of situation...
It's sad really that mankind can't avoid even the most obvious traps.

reply to post by Rodinus


I understand the points. Most of Central Europe and Northern Europe have too soft immigrant laws. Many immigrants are just using the open borders in their favour, They get EU citizenship at a country where it is easy and then move to countries with stricter laws, but better life quality.

Here luckily yet there is not problem with immigrants, although I´m afraid when the country becomes richer problems will rise.

I personally see the problems in education, not the culture the immigrants are bringing in. Most of them have come very poor areas with nearly no opportunites to get ahead in life. They just want to realise their "American Dream" in Sweden, they just want opportunities. Most are hard-workers, but unfortunately their education is low, so they get low-paying jobs in poorer areas. They have not much time for their children nor can they often can be a good example due to lower education. They can not teach their kids well. Their children have to pretty much raise themselves alone, growing up with other kids from similar families. Similar people stick together more. Due to parents not being able to help much, they often fall behind in education. All that plays much role. Of course that is not the same for everybody, just on average that is how it is happening. Poverty and uneducated parents can often play much role in the development of the youth

Although the culture can also play some part still, as some do not accept the local culture fully and push their culture inside of it - that also causes friction between locals and them. In my personal opinion, the culture of another nation moved in should never be part of native culture. Traditions exist and they should not be changed due to new people moving in with other traditions. The cultures of immigrants should be accepted. Anybody can do what they want to at home or with friends, but they should not push it on others, as it is often done.

Just a comment to OP.

The real reason is not the unemployedness. All of it got started because of a mentally ill person being killed when he was considered a threat to police. Had a hostage and wanted to attack the police with machete. There were different socioeconomic and demographic tensions before too, so this was just the trigger and due to the police The questionable acts of the police officers during the riots (racist comments) only added fuel to the fire

Although unemployedness is one part of it still+ there are other demographic reasons..

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by jimmyx

 

Well, Jimmy.. It might make far more sense if they looked around and found ways to create, not destroy. Work, not complain of having none...and if that nation isn't fit to handle so many of their number? Move on to one that IS better suited to the influx of people for services to support them.

Destroying the local area and terrorizing the citizenry with riots is a great way to make their position FAR FAR WORSE....not better. The fact they aren't, generally speaking, from that nation? Well, that will make the backlash they bring upon themselves far more immediate and harsh, IMO.

We'll see. I'm very interested to watch how it develops out there in Europe. As they go now, so go we in time. Same problems, same issues, same outcomes and all for the same reasons.

edit on 22-5-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

there are not too many times I agree with you, but this is one that I do. now THAT is socialism gone too far. as for us here in America, let's get our own citizens up and running, before importing more