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Florida Cheerleader Denies Felony Charge for Lesbian Relationship

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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:43 AM
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That 18 year old girl should not have the charges dropped and she should in fact be treated just like every other 18 year old boy who was with a 14 year old girl. Shame on her mother, lesbians or not EVERYONE knows the laws pertaining to having sex with underage children. 17 might slide, but 14 is still too young they have a lot of growing up to do.

just because she is a lesbian she should not get a free pass to molest underage girls. Sorry but lesbians have to live by the same rules as men.


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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:48 AM
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The title is DIRECT title of the article, as the T&C's say to do



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:54 AM
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Ok of this relationship was between a 17 and 15 year old and the parents waited until she was 18 to press charges, because (admittedly?) not because of the relationship but because of the same sex thing. And then used that to level charges then..

Couldn't the parents be charges with a hate crime? If they are admiring that they are only trying to cause harm to this young lady because of her sexual orientation sounds like a hate crime to me.

God thqis country is fubar


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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:59 AM
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I get that.... sorry. Sometimes I just jump right in before fully understanding what it is i'm responding too, bad habit of mine.




I saw on another post she might have been 17 and the other 15 when it started so that could very well change what happens. Definitely need all the facts first to make a clear judgement on this. And hopefully whatever judgement is made it will be about the laws only and not have anything to do with being a lesbian.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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Never take the deal that makes you a felon. Always push for a jury trial.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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I actually saw a case like this play out in a Grand Jury deliberation once when I was summoned for Grand Jury duty. It was in '98 or '99 and in a small Georgia town (25,000 population). The mother of a 14 year old had pressed charges against a 17 year old for having sex with her daughter. There really wasn't much deliberation as to weather to "true bill" or "no bill". The brief discussion we had involved myself mentioning that these were Freshman and Junior aged young people, and that if we didn't want people that age interacting then they should be separated in school, and that any one in the jury pool who had dated an upperclassmen their freshman year or a Freshman/Sophomore their senior year in high school would be a hypocrite to vote "true bill". Out of a pool of 25 or so Grand Jurors of which 15 were required for a "true bill" (meaning going forward with prosecution) only 4 or 5 voted "true bill", and I think those that did had more of a problem with the race difference than the age difference.

I hope that Florida is similar to Georgia in putting such cases before the community via the Grand Jury process before proceeding with prosecution ( or in this case persecution), and it stops there.

By the way, I'm largely unsympathetic to the whole "civil rights for LGBT" propaganda that we are inundated with constantly, but using the legal system to destroy someone's life because your child didn't turn out how you expected is wrong. And, your 14 year old having consentual sex with a 17-18 year old be it straight or gay is just as indicative of your failure as a parent to instill morals and self control as it is any manipulation by the older of the young people.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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Ugh, I read this the other day(17 and 15 when it started) and all I could think was if they are going to make such a big deal of stuff like this then once a high school student hits 18 ban them from campus and make them continue online.

Locker room, 18 year old sees 15 year old underclassmen naked. Child porn or circumstances?
Two kids start dating at 16 and 14, when they turn 18 should the relationship be ended until the other is 18? Depends on the parents, but that could change in a heartbeat.

I am in no way endorsing adults and children having relationships, but pointing out if they are all still in school, that line is blurred something fierce, especially if the relationship had been going on before hand.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by mblahnikluver
I was going to stay out of this thread because a friend of mine is friends with Kate's family but your comment is ignorant.


So, you believe my comment is ignorant because you are friends with a friend of the accused?

Is my source (the OP's article) more biased than your source?

Do I believe everything I read? No. Do you believe everything you hear second/third hand?

The parents have the right (duty) to protect their young daughter.
You are making the assumption (as many others have) that the parents were guided strictly by their hate for lesbians.
How do you know that? How?

It seems you are showing your intolerance.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by defuntion
It seems you are showing your intolerance.


Intolerance of what, exactly?



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:47 PM
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the problem is these laws are made so they will ALWAYS result in conviction. Laws are made to be boiler plate , so that every defendant is treated equally, except almost no situations are the same. There are no loopholes
1) it was consensual -doesn't matter bc its a statutory case, not a forced rape case

2) the "victim" doesn't want to prosecute- doesn't matter prosecution doesn't need her, the laws have been written that way, bc many victims are to intimidated to follow through...also the older girl confessed and has never denied that the sex occurred.

there are easily tens thousands of sex offenders who were convicted under similar cases (the case where the black male high school superstar athlete was convicted of statutory rape with his white girlfriend comes to mind).

NOBODY ever thinks about these laws until they affect them, her father was a cop, where were his petitions to get laws changed for the past 10 years?
The older girl knew what she was doing was illegal and made a choice... a bad one, just like many youthful offenders. She should be treated like any1 else who has broken this law. Her parents are making it seem like she being persecuted because she's a lesbian....it certainly shouldn't grant her immunity.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

Originally posted by defuntion
It seems you are showing your intolerance.


Intolerance of what, exactly?


Intolerance of a parent acting to protect their child from a potentially harmful relationship...

Intolerance of somebody' "Suspected" religious views who is acting within the law to prevent further harm to their child...

Was the 15 (14?) year old girl less harmed because there was no penis to defile her with?

What I am saying, is that there wouldn't be people (like yourself) so fiercly trying to make excuses for the older girl if they weren't two girls involved.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by defuntion

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

Originally posted by defuntion
It seems you are showing your intolerance.


Intolerance of what, exactly?


Intolerance of a parent acting to protect their child from a potentially harmful relationship...

Intolerance of somebody' "Suspected" religious views who is acting within the law to prevent further harm to their child...

Was the 15 (14?) year old girl less harmed because there was no penis to defile her with?

What I am saying, is that there wouldn't be people (like yourself) so fiercly trying to make excuses for the older girl if they weren't two girls involved.


So, you are of the opinion that the poster has a religious intolerance? Interesting. However, even if the view of the parents are 'religious', does it make them less homophobic if their objection is not age, but gender related? And the objections of the parents aren't suspected, they are documented, and they have cited their religious morality as the root of their outrage. ("Their daughter isn't gay.")

I didn't make any excuses. I simply corrected errors in the story telling, and gave an opinion as to what is likely to happen based on the evidence at hand, both in the OPs story, and from other sources. I don't think kids in high school should be having sex, but they do, even GAY SEX (gasp), however, I would be hard pressed to send this kid to prison with a felony conviction for having a sexual relationship with a willing participant. Then again, Im not on the jury.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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I'll be honest and say that if this lady was 31 and not 18, I'd be very indignant about this and assured that prosecution wiht a felony charge is appropriate. However, she IS only 18.

I know the law says anybody 18+ cannot have sex with someone under 18. I know that people who work in the courts will have to follow the letter of the law. But I have a personal opinion.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

So, you are of the opinion that the poster has a religious intolerance? Interesting. However, even if the view of the parents are 'religious', does it make them less homophobic if their objection is not age, but gender related? And the objections of the parents aren't suspected, they are documented, and they have cited their religious morality as the root of their outrage. ("Their daughter isn't gay.")

I didn't make any excuses. I simply corrected errors in the story telling, and gave an opinion as to what is likely to happen based on the evidence at hand, both in the OPs story, and from other sources. I don't think kids in high school should be having sex, but they do, even GAY SEX (gasp), however, I would be hard pressed to send this kid to prison with a felony conviction for having a sexual relationship with a willing participant. Then again, Im not on the jury.


I suspect a religious intolerance, but that is very much a guess. Irregardless of the allegation that they are 'homophobes' (the parents), their religious beliefs would likely (and just as striclty) be against sex out of wed-lock. And, hopefully against sex at such a young and formative age.

For the record, I am not religous, nor do I have any hang ups about gay sex.

We do not know that the young girl is indeed gay. Not that it makes any difference in this case.
Do you have any idea the extent that girls of this age are willing to go to for acceptance?
She could be bi-sexual, could be hetero, could be homo-sexual.. It really does not matter though.

We agree that they shouldn't be having sex at that young an age.
They did, and if the older girl was indeed 18 during this time, then she is criminal. (By letter of the law)
This is because a bunch of people decided that at 18 you are an adult and made it a law, and some other like-minded people got together and agreed that children of a certain age can not consent to sex with adults...

If you do not like these laws, try to organize to get them changed. But, I have to warn you, if you try to get them changed just for lesbians, it probably won't work...

edit on 22-5-2013 by defuntion because: I left out a noun that would have likely made one of my sentances a little harder to understand. I very much apologize for my lazy typing. I will try to be more careful in the future.[/



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 02:33 PM
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It doesn't matter if she is gay or not, the important aspect is her parents insistence that she ISN'T gay. It tips their hands as to their objections. I suspect that they would still be upset that their daughter is in a relationship with another female, and based on information in other stories, some of which are posted in this thread, they couldn't do anything about it until the accused was 18, soon after the accused turned 18 (stupid move on their part.. totally should have given them some time to have sex again.. however.. if you feel you are protecting your child, do you want to wait until your child is 'abused' again. Real crappy catch-22.) they filed the charges.

It stinks like homophobia, religious or otherwise, but not from the People's determination to prosecute. No gender bias at all coming from them, unless you can somehow get a list of complaints filed from opposite sex instances that the People decided not to file charges against, and see how it stacks up. My guess is that the data isn't there.

The jury can completely ignore the letter of the law and acquit for no reason other than personal belief. If it makes it to court, I feel a not guilty verdict is the only possible outcome.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
and based on information in other stories, some of which are posted in this thread, they couldn't do anything about it until the accused was 18, soon after the accused turned 18 (stupid move on their part.. totally should have given them some time to have sex again.. however.. if you feel you are protecting your child, do you want to wait until your child is 'abused' again. Real crappy catch-22.) they filed the charges.


I am sorry, but all of this is purely speculation.
Can you source this beyond hearsay?

If there was no sexual contact prior to her turning 18, then there could not have been an arrest.

Two minors engaging in sexual contact is not a crime.

I also, hope you don't think that I am of the impression that the 18 year old is a predator.
That is not the way I see it.
The whole thing is very unfortuneate. For both of them.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by defuntion

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
and based on information in other stories, some of which are posted in this thread, they couldn't do anything about it until the accused was 18, soon after the accused turned 18 (stupid move on their part.. totally should have given them some time to have sex again.. however.. if you feel you are protecting your child, do you want to wait until your child is 'abused' again. Real crappy catch-22.) they filed the charges.


I am sorry, but all of this is purely speculation.
Can you source this beyond hearsay?

If there was no sexual contact prior to her turning 18, then there could not have been an arrest.

Two minors engaging in sexual contact is not a crime.

I also, hope you don't think that I am of the impression that the 18 year old is a predator.
That is not the way I see it.
The whole thing is very unfortuneate. For both of them.


People can make any claim that they want to, it is up to police, prosecutors, and ultimately a jury to discern the truth of an allegation.

Yes, I can source it, but there are rules in place on ATS that prohibit me from sharing personal information about people that isn't public knowledge. For instance, the birthday of the accused versus the date in which the police report was first filed. Like I said before, Anonymous has a lot of the files associated with the people involved in this case, and it is only a google away.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by DaTroof
14 year olds have no idea what they want. The 18 year old is clearly manipulative. I have no problem with the resolution.


When I was 14 I knew what sex was and sure as hell wanted it.

The law is idiotic, a 4 year age difference is meaningless if both parties are past puberty.

Basically, it's okay for Morons, err, Mormons, to marry child brides, but it's wrong for two teenagers to have a relationship because one of them is over 18? You realize that if one was 17 and the other was 13 there would be no case here because they would both be considered "minors?"



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 06:55 PM
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Exactly, for all anyone knows its other peoples dirty minds suggesting the lewd behaviour. I have never heard of a couple engaged in sexual activity giving anyone a blow by blow account...forgive the pun. Like the man said "Prove it!"



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