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Police respond to 'serious incident' in Woolwich

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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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What a bunch of complete and utter retards. Anyone affiliated with the EDL is a braindead moron.

If it were not for the police, and bear in mind, I am no fan of the police at all, these terrorists could have shed a lot more blood. The police made sure they cannot. The police did their job adequately in this instance, they removed the danger from the streets, they are now undoubtedly under armed guard in hospital, so why the hell are the EDL inflicting violence upon the police?

It only makes sense when you realise they are a bunch of animalistic, nasty thugs who all need locking up and the key throwing away. They are JUST AS DANGEROUS, and NO DIFFERENT at all to the so-called terrorists. The EDL are only making matters worse, they will give the police more reasons to remove more liberties and freedoms from the rest of us. They are playing right into the terrorists hands. They probably know this but they dont care as long as they get their kicks from using this situation as an excuse to be nasty and violent to the very people that stopped the situation getting worse.

Scum. Absolutely disgusting scum of the lowest order.




posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by IvanAstikov "cctv is a tool of the nwo and can only be a negative presence in our lives."



pretty much.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide
Some transcripts of what he said:

"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you."

"The only reasons we killed this man this is because Muslims are dying daily. This British soldier is an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth.

"We apologize that women had to see this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don't care about you."


So was he a terrorist or perhaps he is a soldier, fighting a war. The war has come to your home. It isn't in some middle eastern country any longer.

This is a game changer.
edit on 22-5-2013 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)


Agreed.

Being a Londoner I'm absolutely horrified, yet hardly surprised at the same time. Mix that with being very wary of religion in general and you can imagine the news had me hotheaded at first. But after calming down, a massive sense of unease and dread has settled in.

Is this where we are now? Have we alienated them so far, and their mentors groomed them so thoroughly, that all hope is lost for curbing the radicalization of the Muslim youth in our country? Don't get me wrong; rational Muslims the world over are very likely as sickened and disturbed (maybe even more) as anyone else.

This is a problem that has spun way out of control, however. It can't be easily explained away by "immigration" or "PC gone mad", and neither can it be avoided by all parties sticking their heads in the sand while singing the same old tune, "It's only the small minority!"

The time for that talk is over. Yes, it's a tiny minority, as it always will be with shameful examples of humanity like the men we saw today. But they've proven that they mean business, and I'm worried that people still haven't gotten their message yet.

I don't have any answers for this, though. Violence will only beget more violence, and we obviously can't (and shouldn't) revoke people's rights to freedom of religious expression. Is the Khilafah a socio-cultural attitude that's trending right now, and needs to eventually die on it's own. I hope not.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by WonderBoi
 


Look, all I'm saying is that if you watch the news in the UK, they do not show graphic scenes like cops shooting people, ok?

That is all.

And yes, there is a big f**king difference between what we see in the movies and real life.


edit on 22-5-2013 by seabhac-rua because: (no reason given)
There is no difference in the subconscious mind. That is part of the brainwashing process. Look at how many people are bashing Muslims now, just because this guy mentions: ALLAH. Television has become your reality!



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:54 PM
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Utter Contempt being shown for these savages by the Muslim community. it will of course, fall on deaf ears with the reactionary populist right leaning folks from the South of Britain.

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here is a small selection:




posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:54 PM
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I think you are wrong.

EDL realized what was happening in the UK before most everyone else. You have all these Businessmen going to work with their heads up their asses doing nothing at all.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by The X
The last thing the UK needs is someone from the uk military getting involved with these guys and attempting to give them a basic level of discipline and training, as soon as the edl realise this is what they lack and decide sincerely to raise their game, it could really begin.


I hate to tell you this, but I was "friends" with a serving UK soldier on FB, and I have seen his support of the EDL, and all of his serving friends too.

I also saw him confusing people of other faith with Muslims, and making violent homophobic threats about complete strangers IN THIS COUNTRY too, which his serving friends also commented on favourably.

There are a lot of serving British soldiers who believe this kind of rubbish.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:56 PM
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Said it before, I guess nobody noticed. You cant blame millions on the actions of a few...


Originally posted by Cabin
Supporting all Muslims being deported can be compared to all guns taken away. Most people do not use guns for violence, yet some do. Do the others need to lose their guns also because of a few insane persons?

Whatever is done, it is nearly impossible to stop hard-core extremists. In this case we are talking about hundreds of thousands/even millions of people being deported because of two insane persons... That is absurd...

Personally, I am supporting stricter gun laws, but thought that would be a good comparison for some more "agressive" US posts I´ve noticed here.


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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:56 PM
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They don't always stop them, but as is evidenced by their effect in most UK football stadiums, they can cut down on violent elements. As to them being ineffective as evidence after the fact, that is just a problem of lack of investment. The tech is there to record incidents in perfect clarity.


edit on 22-5-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:57 PM
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Ok Ok OK, we're all brainwashed blah blah blah.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Cynicaleye
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They must have believed that the people watching were not responsible for the acts vomited in their country, they blamed only the soldier.


They obviously believe that the people are "sheeple", being duped by their corrupt government, and are just as much a victim of their government as they are.

The fact that the people would just stand around and watch, and interview the men calmly, as if they're on a movie set, indicates a sense of detachment the people feel in watching this horrific scene. It indicates that the people silently agree with the men, even though they would not take such actions themselves.

These men are heroes to the public. That's why not a single bystander stepped in to stop the hacking. People everywhere have obviously been "desensitized" to violence, and it's no longer shocking, except in a mildly entertaining sense.

The bystanders are more curious than afraid or outraged. All the outraged people are in the government and military. So there's a huge disconnect in that there society.

Nobody in the public watching identified themselves with the poor soldier.

The attacker who said "You People" clearly doesn't identify himself with British Society either. I wonder why he is not back in "His Lands" ?

Truth is, he has no lands.

He's just a deluded miscreant with a thirst for blood. And this is his excuse. Opportunity presented itself, and it's only a wonder that he didn't hack out the soldier's heart and eat it in public too, like the Syrian.

All this is evidence of a pent-up frustration among the have-nots, with an itch to do something.



edit on 22-5-2013 by SQUEALER because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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I'm sorry but people are not telling the truth somewhere along the line.

I've seen vids from Mullahs on youtube saying that they want to take over the World with Islam and then you get those on Twitter saying that this isn't Islam.... so, which is it?



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by OneManArmy
 


They don't always stop them, but as is evidenced by their effect in most UK fotball stadiums, they can cut down on violent elements. As to them being ineffective as evidence after the fact, that is just a problem of lack of investment. The tech is there to record incidents in perfect clarity.



I think London is still the most videotaped city in the world. But yet the crime hasnt stopped. Studies have been done in many cities/towns aroound the world, the evidence simply states, they dont work.
How they do work is that they get us used to being watched all the time.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Malynn

Originally posted by RoScoLaz
here's what i think;

this event, though not fake, was staged.

it is intended to be the trigger for widespread unrest.

it is already proving effective.


I agree. It's got half this thread ready to round up muslims. There is no progress in our species. There hasn't been progress since the crusades, nazi germany, or japanese internment camps. Humans are ignorant and unevolving.


But to be fair it wasn't crusaders, Nazis, or the Japanese who did this was it, it was 2 muslims.

When the Nazis went on a rampage we stopped them, but somehow you're saying it's okay and all our fault because the perps were mulsims and it's wrong to want to stop this from happening again by dealing with them?



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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There are bits of this story that beg questionmarks...Firstly, why use knves and a machette on someone when you could just shoot the victim...secondly, why wait for the armed police response unit to arrive after 20 minutes?...also, why the need to ask a bus full of passengers to take their photographs holding the weapons....The biggest question though is based on the comment earlier if true, saying something about an intelligence led operation (Drill?) and this was not part of it
I quote that comment " BBC Tweet: BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 21m
UK officials say Woolwich incident not connected to intelligence-led operation - via @FrankRGardner Live updates: bbc.in"
.......Something smells here and you dont need a perfect nose to pick up on the stench....COBRA meeting? wonder if that was planned earlier?

Respects


As a mother I find this story absolutely terrifying....and in that respect this was terrorism in its truest form.

I don't know what this was about - maybe these creatures were just out their faces on drugs - maybe it was politically motivated. If it was the former, they're insane. If it was the latter they hung about to get their pictures taken with the aim of creating fear.

The West created Al Quaeda (the database) and, with the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq et al, we gave many people many reasons to want to hurt us. A ton of justification for use in propaganda by warmongers of any persuasion... and many people around the world who don't need much persuading when they have witnessed the devastation, caused by the West's policy of warfare for money, themselves.

Now any bampot with a grudge can carry out any atrocity, stick two fingers up at us, and shout 'al quaeda ya bas.' We pay the price - in every way - for our government's atrocious decisions. But then of course, we get the government we deserve.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Firefly_
 


I think you are wrong.

EDL realized what was happening in the UK before most everyone else. You have all these Businessmen going to work with their heads up their asses doing nothing at all.


Yes, because ex-football hooligans are such a well-read bunch and always have their finger on the pulse of what is truly happening in the world around them.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Ramcheck
Utter Contempt being shown for these savages by the Muslim community. it will of course, fall on deaf ears with the reactionary populist right leaning folks from the South of Britain.

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here is a small selection:




This kind of news also causes additional stress to muslims, because now they have to be careful of muslim haters wanting an excuse to attack them in the streets,
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 05:01 PM
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There are some extremists... Most are just normal hard-working people.

Youtube is not the most trustworthy source either...



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 05:01 PM
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All I can say is the moderates need to clean their house. They are the ones who know the bad ones are.


I think that would be a start.
It's one thing expressing their disassociation after the event but they need to stop turning a blind eye to the activities of the extremists within their own communities.

I accept that some do, but they are only a small minority.

But we also need to recognise that our foreign policy has helped feed the fire.

And we need to discuss and debate all the issues in an open and honest manner without fear of upsetting the PC Brigade or the left and right wing loonies.
Burying our collective heads in the sand has not worked.

Until these matters are aired and discussed we will never make progress and only see a continuation of this steady decline towards widescale open hostility and confrontation.

Of course as some have stated that may be the ultimate intention of those who pull the strings?



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Latvietis96
Muslims, the Earths cancer and shame


What a bull-# response! I don't normally strike back @ crap but I must.

Muslims aren't the the problem. As Bin Laden would say over and over, ( they TPTB) want what doesn't belong and forcing them to live w/ laws that are not apart of their way of life and the take over their Country and their resources.

They have lived the way they have lived for 1000's of years. Weather we agree or not is NONE of our business.
That's like another Country attacking us and making us abide by laws we do not agree with. The Iraq war proven bogus!!!! Lies got us to attack a Country that did NOTHING TO US!! Again....nothing to do w/ us. You can talk all day concerning the bad deeds of Iraq....not our business. Not our laws, and more importantly....no one wanted us there!!!!

Now Iran....why? Resources....Caspian pipe line and a very lucrative port that China and Iran have agree'd to build together. This Port will take away $$ from active ports. Bottom line...it's their life and the way they have lived religiously for 1000's of years. They can work out their own problems. These people are not attacking our way of life unless threatened. Iran has not attacked us or threatened us.

...and why can't another Country protect themselves and their resources? We did!! We did heavily!! How many Nukes do we have??? So for anyone to tell another Country that they can't build equipment to protect its people and resources is crap!! For anyone to tell me that I cannot kill a man that is in my house stealing my things and raping my children...I call crap!! You threaten me and my family it's up to me to protect them. My way of life.

Muslims aren't the problem...you not understanding their laws and way of life is crap!!! You take care of you and stop trying to change people's way of life and all they know and believe!!!




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