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Police respond to 'serious incident' in Woolwich

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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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DONT watch that video - assuming it shows the murder.

If you do so you are doing exactly what the murderers want. And those who post such videos are aiding and abetting a serious crime and frankly no better than the murderers themselves - scum who want fame and fortune via the internet.

Think about it!!!!!!!!




posted on May, 22 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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Really...what were they saying, we love England? You can also hear someone yell shoot them again...the suspects had guns also. So, if it was not the suspects, it was people in the streets which is scarier....


WTF are you defending this for anyway???



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Rocker2013

Wrong, radical followers of that religion attacked someone.


The problem is that about 9% of UK Muslims are Islamic extremists while another 29% are 'aggressive' defenders of Islam.


• NOP Research survey reports, "hardcore Islamists" constitute 9% of the British Muslim population.

A slightly more moderate group is composed of "staunch defenders of Islam." This second group comprises 29% of the British Muslim population.

Individuals in this group aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined.

CBS News


Just under 4 in 10 British Muslims are hardcore Islamic extremists or slightly more moderate aggressive defenders of Islam who defend it aggressively from perceived threats.

It isn't good.

The religion of peace?


edit on 22-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by paratus

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by paratus

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by paratus
 


true but other reports have quoted the men as saying "ahallu Akbar" and during the video he makes mention of how we should get rid of our government and makes statements of a political nature such as talking about "his lands".

in accordance with the UK's official definition of terrorism that would make this attack qualify as a act of terrorism and the reports surrounding this attack all point to it being an attack by radical Islamists.


Can you link to the other reports please?
I have seen no solid evidence of the Allah reference.
How is this ALREADY radical ISLAMISTS???
How do you know he is not with the EDL???
How are you qualifying your sources and evidence?




Are you being for real?!?! Watch the damn video.


Watched it numerous times, post time in vid where he say it specifically.

Good luck with that.


www.liveleak.com...

Second video about 30 seconds in. Again, watch it.


All I hear is
"Get on the ground"
Both perps are on the ground after being shot at this point.
And the other female cop screaming orders as well.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:02 PM
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You are right...I just did not want to jump to conclusions. It could have been a gang fight, etc....Right on man...



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:02 PM
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Nobody mention the fact that there is TWO attackers. This is important detail in this case. This is not some lone nut . This is organised and i suspect that these two are not the only ones.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Power_Semi

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 


The religion of peace strikes again.

Sad. So sad.





Wrong, radical followers of that religion attacked someone.
You need to get your facts correct rather than accusing an entire group of people for the crimes of two.


During World War 2 America couldn't determine which of the Japanese Americans might be loyal to the land of the rising sun, and so they took them all off the streets and locked them all up.

Similarly we don't know which of the muslims are "terrorists" (and this was in no way a terrorist attack, that's propaganda to try and hide how despicable people of this religion are), and so we should take a leaf out of Americas book and get rid of the lot of them.

How else can you be sure that while you're walking down the street you're not going to get run over and beheaded in broad daylight for wearing the wrong t-shirt.

These people that we have flooded this country with are barbarians, they are not compatible with our way of life, culture, values, and they do not belong here.

We have had a massive pedophile scandal from this group of individuals, drugs on a massive scale, and a whole host of other really, really nasty stuff that doesn't belong here.


Idiocy must rein supreme on this site. This has to be the dumbest comment so far. Congratulations.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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I can sum the events in four English words.

Muslims
Engaged
In
Jihad

Detain. Interrogate. Deport.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by vagabondrobb
reply to post by DrHammondStoat
 


You don't need to remain skeptical



This was a religiously motivated attack.. No government conspiracy.
edit on 22-5-2013 by vagabondrobb because: (no reason given)


How are you so sure of this?

Even after the attack, they still seemed to be waiting for something - oh...maybe the cops?



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by paratus

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by paratus

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by paratus

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by paratus
 


true but other reports have quoted the men as saying "ahallu Akbar" and during the video he makes mention of how we should get rid of our government and makes statements of a political nature such as talking about "his lands".

in accordance with the UK's official definition of terrorism that would make this attack qualify as a act of terrorism and the reports surrounding this attack all point to it being an attack by radical Islamists.


Can you link to the other reports please?
I have seen no solid evidence of the Allah reference.
How is this ALREADY radical ISLAMISTS???
How do you know he is not with the EDL???
How are you qualifying your sources and evidence?




Are you being for real?!?! Watch the damn video.


Watched it numerous times, post time in vid where he say it specifically.

Good luck with that.


www.liveleak.com...

Second video about 30 seconds in. Again, watch it.


All I hear is
"Get on the ground"
Both perps are on the ground after being shot at this point.
And the other female cop screaming orders as well.


"Get on the ground?" And yet according to you, you said they were already down.
So please tell me exactly why you would tell someone to get after they were already on the ground?
edit on 22/5/13 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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Aye, suicide by cop so they get to be "martyred"..

Seriously people, I know some things are shady, but this happened in broad daylight, with many witnesses and video's. It is pretty hard to start claiming a conspiracy on this one, other than the obvious.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Wrong, radical followers of that religion attacked someone.


They certainly did.

The problem is that about 9% of UK Muslims are out and out extremists while another 29% are 'aggressive' defenders of Islam.


• NOP Research survey reports, "hardcore Islamists" constitute 9% of the British Muslim population.

A slightly more moderate group is composed of "staunch defenders of Islam." This second group comprises 29% of the British Muslim population.

Individuals in this group aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined.

CBS News


Just under 4 in 10 British Muslims are hardcore Islamists or slightly more moderate aggressive defenders of Islam.

It isn't good.



Your stats have no context. What does 'aggressive defenders of islam' mean? Also, what is 'hardcore islamists'? What exactly does that mean? Are we supposed to understand just by our own definition of the descriptive term?

Sounds like pretty poor propaganda to me and shame to you for not contextualising your information.
edit on 22-5-2013 by spacedog1973 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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It's pretty clear they wanted a confrontation with the police, probaly wanted to go down as martyr's.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
I can sum the events in four English words.

Muslims
Engaged
In
Jihad

Detain. Interrogate. Deport.


With our Laws now Governed by PC do-gooders, these guys were born in South London or at least have lived here a long time because that guy in the video speaks with a South London accent which means (sadly) they cant be deported.

What it does mean though, is the Tax Payer will be picking up the Tab.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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Maybe they did it more in defense of a country rather than a religion. I would say yes, they were both muslims but every country thinks that their God is on their side. Just a thought.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by conz1992

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by conz1992
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What 'guy'?

Nick Robinson, the political editor has said that - read this link and the live updates:
www.bbc.co.uk...


This one. audioboo.fm...=7m54s

This guy doesn't mention any "Allah" chants, or anything even remotely suggesting they had Islamic tendencies.
edit on 22-5-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)


Unless I'm tripping hard, I watched with my own eyes and heard Nick clearly saying "the Woolwich attackers are thought to have tried to film their attack whilst shouting "Allahu Akbar" - God is Great" Twice.

Do one.


The operative words in your sentence are "are thought to have." Notice he didn't say "absolutely positively were filming their attack and chanting "Allahu.Akhbar"?

And, "Do one?" Sorry, but that ain't happening.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Power_Semi
During World War 2 America couldn't determine which of the Japanese Americans might be loyal to the land of the rising sun, and so they took them all off the streets and locked them all up.


And the USA has since had to apologize for that too.


Originally posted by Power_Semi
Similarly we don't know which of the muslims are "terrorists" (and this was in no way a terrorist attack, that's propaganda to try and hide how despicable people of this religion are), and so we should take a leaf out of Americas book and get rid of the lot of them.


America didn't "get rid" of them. They locked them all in prison camps. Many were then released when the war was over and went on to continue to be productive members of society, had kids, grand kids...

How many of those innocent people locked up in America ever did anything to hurt anyone? And yet you support the idea of locking people up for looking a certain way, being of a certain religion or believing in a certain God?


Originally posted by Power_Semi
How else can you be sure that while you're walking down the street you're not going to get run over and beheaded in broad daylight for wearing the wrong t-shirt.


So locking up all Muslims is going to protect you from the feral youth of this country? Is it going to protect you from wannabe gangstas? Is it going to protect you from all the other potential criminals you are FAR MORE LIKELY TO ENCOUNTER?


Originally posted by Power_Semi
These people that we have flooded this country with are barbarians, they are not compatible with our way of life, culture, values, and they do not belong here.


Again, you're calling hundreds of thousands of people "barbarians" because of the actions of two maniacs today. You don't even know they were Muslim.
And are you now calling Muslims or Immigrants "barbarians", because you do know there are plenty of BRITISH BORN Muslims too, right?


Originally posted by Power_Semi
We have had a massive pedophile scandal from this group of individuals, drugs on a massive scale, and a whole host of other really, really nasty stuff that doesn't belong here.


Sorry, are we talking about PRIESTS, 70's celebrities, Immigrants or specifically Muslims here?

Can you really not see how ridiculous you now sound?



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by paratus

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by paratus

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by paratus

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by paratus
 


true but other reports have quoted the men as saying "ahallu Akbar" and during the video he makes mention of how we should get rid of our government and makes statements of a political nature such as talking about "his lands".

in accordance with the UK's official definition of terrorism that would make this attack qualify as a act of terrorism and the reports surrounding this attack all point to it being an attack by radical Islamists.


Can you link to the other reports please?
I have seen no solid evidence of the Allah reference.
How is this ALREADY radical ISLAMISTS???
How do you know he is not with the EDL???
How are you qualifying your sources and evidence?




Are you being for real?!?! Watch the damn video.


Watched it numerous times, post time in vid where he say it specifically.

Good luck with that.


www.liveleak.com...

Second video about 30 seconds in. Again, watch it.


All I hear is
"Get on the ground"
Both perps are on the ground after being shot at this point.
And the other female cop screaming orders as well.


"Get on the ground?" And yet according to you, you said they were already down.
So please tell me exactly why you would tell someone to get after they were already on the ground?
edit on 22/5/13 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)


I think it says "getchya hands out now" it sounds nothing like ahallhu akbah.
edit on 22-5-2013 by Wifibrains because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by spacedog1973

Originally posted by Power_Semi

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 


The religion of peace strikes again.

Sad. So sad.





Wrong, radical followers of that religion attacked someone.
You need to get your facts correct rather than accusing an entire group of people for the crimes of two.


During World War 2 America couldn't determine which of the Japanese Americans might be loyal to the land of the rising sun, and so they took them all off the streets and locked them all up.

Similarly we don't know which of the muslims are "terrorists" (and this was in no way a terrorist attack, that's propaganda to try and hide how despicable people of this religion are), and so we should take a leaf out of Americas book and get rid of the lot of them.

How else can you be sure that while you're walking down the street you're not going to get run over and beheaded in broad daylight for wearing the wrong t-shirt.

These people that we have flooded this country with are barbarians, they are not compatible with our way of life, culture, values, and they do not belong here.

We have had a massive pedophile scandal from this group of individuals, drugs on a massive scale, and a whole host of other really, really nasty stuff that doesn't belong here.


Idiocy must rein supreme on this site. This has to be the dumbest comment so far. Congratulations.


Why are you apologising for them and trying to make out this is nothing to do with muslims.

He was shouting Allah and has done it for "what happens in our lands"

Well enoughs enough, let them all go back to "their lands" because this land certainly isn't where they belong.



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