reply to post by qualm91
"And he said 'Hagar, Sarai’s slave girl, where have you come from and where are you going?' She answered, 'I’m running away from Sarai, my
mistress.' The angel of the Lord said to her, 'Go back to your mistress and submit to ill treatment at her hands.' " -Genesis 16:8 So, not only is God
condoning slavery, but he is saying that it is perfectly fine to beat your slaves. But we're all equal in his eyes? I think not.
Context. Slavery in early civilizations...consider it. It wasn't really what we know of as "slavery". There were actually regulations for owning and
the treatment of slaves. Notably, in ancient Israel slaves were more commonly "volunteers" that would "sell" themselves into slavery because they just
couldn't take care of their own basic needs. As far as Sarai and Hagar, you might think about rereading Genesis 16. There was a damaged relationship
between Sarai, Hagar, and Abram, for obvious reasons. So much so, that Hagar ended up running away, which she knew was forbidden as she was still a
slave. Now, again, why was Hagar a slave? I'll leave that one open...if you don't know by now then you haven't been reading....Anyways, Hagar was more
than likely thinking to herself something along the lines of -"Oh wow, what did I do....how am I going to survive? What will happen to my child?" AND
THEN...We have the angel of the Lord appear and basically tells her "hey little lady, buck up! You have duties to fulfill and running from your
problems most certainly does not fix them!" -great lesson in perseverance and humility if you ask me....
“ 'Look, I have two daughters, virgins both of them. Let me bring them out to you and you could do what you like with them. But do nothing to these
men because they have come under the shelter of my roof.' ” -Genesis 19:8 Go ahead and rape my daughters, Lot says, but please don't hurt these men.
And God condones this? Is this the loving God that you all worship?
Interesting to note, in early civilizations HOSPITALITY was considered the greatest of virtues. So much so, that Lot may have taken it very seriously.
I see his actions being very consistent with early traditions not only because of the importance placed upon hospitality, but also considering the
fact that in those early civilizations, children were considered possessions. That's just the way that it was. At that time, it was perfectly legal
and within his "rights" to hand his daughters over if he saw fit, and apparently he did. However, within the actual text, we find no mention of
whether Lot's actions were appropriate or "righteous".
"Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, 'Go up, you
bald head! Go up, you bald head!' So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the Lord. And two female bears
came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths." -Kings 2:23 The Lord has no problem killing children for calling someone bald, obviously.
Doesn't that seem a bit harsh? Would YOU be okay with your children being murdered for calling someone bald?
Taken in context, we don't exactly know how old these "youths" are. In fact, the Hebrew text neurim qetannim
which was rendered "youths" could
be better understood as "young men". The same
is used to describe Isaac as a young man, 18-20'ish....and also used to describe Joseph in Genesis 37 when he was 17 years old.
With this in mind, I do not think these are "children". I believe these to be young men. Now, I'd have to check the hebrew for the term "mauled"
because I'm not quite sure, but I'm relatively certain if it were a term related to mortal wounds or death, then most interpretations would have used
a fairly common word such as "killed"....Mauled in this case, as I understand it, simply means "attacked", most certainly not "murdered" as you put
it....And finally, these FORTY TWO(or more, we only know that 42 were attacked)!!! young men that were slandering Elisha (1 MAN!) well...what were
their intentions? Surely their intentions weren't innocent.
Let me ask you...How would you react if you were mourning the loss of someone dear to you, as is the case with Elisha, and 42+ young men were
belittling you and calling you names, and basically telling you to die along with that one that you had so deeply cared for...? What might you think
of their intentions? How might you defend yourself?
No offense taken. I hope this may clear up some confusion.
edit on 22-5-2013 by Agree2Disagree because: typographical error