Erik Vonroth - Summoning Succubi

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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 11:30 AM
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In my research of the paranormal I've been stumbling over an "occult master" who teaches the art of summoning, that is if you believe in these kind of "possibilities".
What are your ideas?

His Homepage

Succubus




posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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I can't imagine any way in which this would be a good idea.

At best, a waste of time and energy. At worst...


Is this something you are interested in trying?



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by TauNorthwolf
In my research of the paranormal I've been stumbling over an "occult master" who teaches the art of summoning, that is if you believe in these kind of "possibilities".
What are your ideas?

His Homepage

Succubus


This guy is talking about succubus as 'positive' entities ... which couldn't be further from the truth ... some may indeed call him an 'Occult Master' ... myself I would call him a 'Door Handle' (sometimes referred to as knobs)


The saddest part of this is there will be people who fall for this )O(

Woody



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by TauNorthwolf
In my research of the paranormal I've been stumbling over an "occult master" who teaches the art of summoning, that is if you believe in these kind of "possibilities".
What are your ideas?

His Homepage

Succubus


From this site:


He has helped hundreds of people around the world connect to these positive entities, who now enjoy a life full of amazing love and endless desires.

Erik’s newly released book, “Succusummon – A practicle guide for Summoning Succubus, Incubus and Sexual Spirits” is now available on this site.


Looks like he's peddling a spiritual version of some "herbal ED treatment" or knock-off viagra, where the results are even less certain


Meh.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:19 PM
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I would be a LOT safer to use a hooker.
you get lots of sex disease and die!

but you dont take the disease with you after you die.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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I think it's legit. At least it's not a literal summoning lesson. The instructions involve more of a 'wait for them to come to you' kind of thing, which is safer since relationship is then entirely consensual.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:36 PM
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Not sure how he considers them to be "positive" entities.
That could not be farther from the truth.
Why in the world would anyone want to summon these creatures.
Bad Idea.................Big Time.

PLPL

sorry woodwytch I just read your post, and it was the same response..........
I hope no unfortunate soul falls victim to his "summoning", I wonder if he has a follow up class that teaches people how to get rid of the creatures????
Probably not, how would this ever be a good idea???
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:38 PM
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There's some other threads here on ATS which tell of these kind of experiences, by people who have tried it:

Para Sex

My two spirits

For me as a researcher of the mind, these things are interesting, but you don't need to summon anything. Sometimes (rare occasions) there's dreams like these, its life.
I do wonder if these succubi would be the same as the Tantra Dakinis in Vajrayana Buddhism (see books: Guide to Dakini Land or Clear Light of Bliss by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso).

@VegHead
Not sure if I want to waste money, as I said on rare occasions these dreams occur without even the summoning.

@Woodwytch
Interesting, what are your experiences with Succubi/Incubi? I'm not asking about wikipedia info or Christian dogmatic beliefs here.

@Buddhasystem
LOL


@buddah
Why use a hooker when you can get a GF? Everybody dies one day
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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Such cryptic warnings. I never fail to notice how, in spiritual matters, no actual details are given as to why certain things are bad ideas.
Does no one actually know?...


Originally posted by buddha
but you dont take the disease with you after you die.

Hey, practitioners of inter-dimensional relationships are going to need a little more than that...

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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:41 PM
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Good one!!



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by EllaMarina
I think it's legit. At least it's not a literal summoning lesson. The instructions involve more of a 'wait for them to come to you' kind of thing, which is safer since relationship is then entirely consensual.


You are right! He sells you a book, and you pay some hard-earned money to this guy. Then he tells you to wait for the spiritual being who is supposed to become the sexual experience of your lifetime. But if the "succubus" doesn't show up, well then, she wasn't interested in you, well tough. You can't ask for your money back though because what was advertised was the "wait".

Brilliant. I'm amused to see that so many people are enjoying (at least potentially) being victims of a scam.

Duh.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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If you believe in summoning and I"m not saying I don't here's a quick low down:

Summoning a Succubus is equivelant to summoning a Djinn~ In that at first (If successful) the responding entity will be glad to serve.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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Looking at your name I guess you are well versed in the Pali Canon & co? What would be the Buddhistic equivalent of the Succubus?



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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You have a point. Internet e-book hawkers make me raise an eyebrow no matter how legitimate the subject seems, and I certainly wouldn't advise buying it. There's no more information to be discovered beyond what you can already learn elsewhere, at least in this guy's case.
No sarcasm intended.
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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Hey there TauNorthwolf,

As a paranormal investigator/advisor and practicing witch (for over 25 yrs) I have been called on to help calm and repair the victims of both succubus and incubus ... I have to say that in none of the cases I have dealt with were the entities summoned by the person(s) effected (I have never met anyone that stupid)


These entities said encounters / visits / and attacks can take a lot out of the person experiencing them on all levels to varying degrees (physical / psychological / spiritual) ... the basic job of both incubus and succubus is to drain energy from their victim leaving them drained (much like a social vampire) ... however the method of these entities is via sexual desire and lust resulting in intercourse.

Now don't get me wrong ... sexual desire / lust / and intercourse can be most enjoyable when consensual ... but become something else entirely when non-consensual ... it then becomes rape of the soul-energy.

And before you start shouting at me that the people who choose to summon these succubi are doing it consensually ... that's all well and good (we have the gift of freewill after all) ... but what happens when the summoner decides they want to stop ... and trust me they will !!!

Just like the naive people who think it's cool to summon other types of demon ... just to see what happens for the hell of it (pun intended) your 'pet' succubus might not want to leave ... she may not be finished with you ... she may want to stay and suck more of your lifeforce and energy ... and that my friend is when the trouble starts ... nothing kills the pleasure of sexual desire / lust / and intercourse like a succubus who's not ready to leave.

Bottom line ... the 'summoner' has not a pinch of control in this situation ... don't believe me get in touch with your 'Occult Master' and give it a try but don't expect a refund or sympathy off him when it all goes belly-up


Well I have no idea what wikipedia has to say on this subject but this is what 'I' have to say (just as you asked)


Woody



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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Thanks for letting us hear about your experiences.




And before you start shouting at me

Did I intend to do that?





don't believe me get in touch with your 'Occult Master'

Why my Master? Master is just a title like PhD or Pope, so addressing things by a common denominator makes things easier. Interesting that you refer to him as my Master.





Well I have no idea what wikipedia has to say on this subject but this is what 'I' have to say (just as you asked)

Exactly, nothing more nothing less. I just encountered too many people with "wikiready quotes" and no personal experiences.
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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It's more of a sultry invitation ritual than anything, from what I myself have read-- are you referring to actual spells, with objects and whatnot?

That's probably irrelevant though. I'm mainly curious as to this so-called energy drain. It is apparently true that it's impossible to rid oneself of a spirit lover if you have even the slightest desire for him/her to stay (otherwise, consistently ignoring them would do the trick). But energy draining? I'm suddenly concerned, actually. I have a spirit partner of my own (but not the sex dream kind, and he wasn't summoned), and I keep wondering... am I somehow being harmed? I'm not tired all the time, but is there a spiritual component that I'm not aware of?
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by EllaMarina
reply to post by woodwytch
 


It's more of a sultry invitation ritual than anything, from what I myself have read-- are you referring to actual spells, with objects and whatnot?

That's probably irrelevant though. I'm mainly curious as to this so-called energy drain. It is apparently true that it's impossible to rid oneself of a spirit lover if you have even the slightest desire for him/her to stay (otherwise, consistently ignoring them would do the trick). But energy draining? I'm suddenly concerned, actually. I have a spirit partner of my own (but not the sex dream kind, and he wasn't summoned), and I keep wondering... am I somehow being harmed? I'm not tired all the time, but is there a spiritual component that I'm not aware of?
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What you are describing sounds more akin to a spirit-guide and if this is so you will most definately not be harmed ... a spirit-guide/companion is there to help you through life ... we can have a guide that is with us through multiple lifetimes and others who step into our lives to help us with specific experiences and life-lessons ... either way a spirit-guide will never harm but always protect ... you just have to learn how to listen to them and read the signs they offer.

Woody



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by TauNorthwolf
reply to post by woodwytch
 


Thanks for letting us hear about your experiences.




And before you start shouting at me

Did I intend to do that?





don't believe me get in touch with your 'Occult Master'

Why my Master? Master is just a title like PhD or Pope, so addressing things by a common denominator makes things easier. Interesting that you refer to him as my Master.





Well I have no idea what wikipedia has to say on this subject but this is what 'I' have to say (just as you asked)

Exactly, nothing more nothing less. I just encountered too many people with "wikiready quotes" and no personal experiences.
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Good reply ... I may have misjudged you a little ... in hindsight it sounds like you do have the commonsense to see through this clown


Woody



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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Could those spirit guide types make love too? It's a romantic relationship in my case. I still have no idea what he is.
I guess if nothing bad is happening to me physically, then all is well, I hope...
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