Preschools (in Australia) may get right to bar unvaccinated children

Originally posted by FFS4000
... show me a study that proves vaccinations work ...

Small Pox

It's alright, you can always send them to play with all the google execs kids at a Steiner school.

How do you feel about gnomes?

Originally posted by Hardfelt

Originally posted by FFS4000
... show me a study that proves vaccinations work ...

Small Pox

Now that is a one line reply that really says it all by saying nothing more, isn't it?

Indeed....We don't know smallpox today as a killer of millions 100% due to a successful vaccination effort that eradicated it. One of mans very few total success cases against a natural threat.

reply to post by Cinrad
I don't understand why there seems to be such a big problem with letting a few unvacinnated children attend public school. If the vast majority of the children HAVE been vaccinated and one of the children who haven't been vaccinated becomes ill the only children who would be at risk are the ones who haven't been vaccinated- unless there have been lies told about the effectiveness of vaccines. Now wouldn't that be a conspiracy?

reply to post by littled16


I think it's due to the fact that vaccines are not 100% effective and never have been. Flu vaccinated people still get the flu. Anthrax vaccinations wear off over time. Even Smallpox has been rumored to be a vaccine which may not protect near as well, all these years after the last shots were given, as people may assume or hope.

So, as with most things, people can only do their best and hope fate carries the rest without added grief and misery thrown in for laughs. I.E... The majority will take and hold immunity from things, based on the vaccination. Some will still be vulnerable. Given then, when you get a two legged disease vector walking in with 0 protection and possibly a carrier by that point? That vector will infect others ..as California learned in a tragic way with Whooping Cough.

It's endangering everyone else ...because vaccines are close to being complete but people aren't all made equal. They never will cover 100% of everyone who gets one.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000
What you opine is true. My own children who received their timely vaccinations for measles still contracted measles not once but twice. They also received their rounds (3 vaccines over several months each time) of Hib that absolutely did not "take" in their bodies- ergo taking the rounds 3 times before refusing to allow the shots to continue. Even contracting a childhood disease doesn't guarantee built up immunity as one of my children had chicken pox twice and I myself have had them a total of three times- once as an adult. None of us take the flu shot any more either as we have all contracted nasty cases of the flu after receiving the injections.

Vaccinations can be life saving, but there are problems that need to be addressed that parents should absolutely be informed of- which at this time they are not. In some cases they give parents a false sense of security, in others an amplified sense of fear. I do believe that if a family's religion or other beliefs prohibit them from having their children vaccinated that waivers should be available to them lest their freedom be stifled, but I also believe in such cases of allowances the parents of the other children in their classes should be informed of such- and such has not been the case up to present.

I have no problem with this tactic, provided the schools also bar every child living in a home with an unsecured firearm. They're even more dangerous than the unvaccinated, in my opinion.

And how are they going to find out if the child is vaccinated or not? That's private and personal information...

Guys, this isn't a thread about if vaccine works or not, this is a thread about FORCING people to vaccinate their children in order to go to school.

Anyway, logically only non-vaccinated kids would get sick if vaccines really do work?
So why care about non-vaccinated ones, it's their problem if they get sick and are willing to take this chance, so be it.

It's quite simple from my point of view, I'm "pro-choice" on vaccination.
Forcing to inject something in someones veins is tyranny.

Originally posted by theMediator

Anyway, logically only non-vaccinated kids would get sick if vaccines really do work?
So why care about non-vaccinated ones, it's their problem if they get sick and are willing to take this chance, so be it.

Unvaccinated kids will contract and keep the virus alive, giving it a chance to mutate, which will make the vaccinated kids susceptible to the virus again.

The idea of pharmaceutical companies making money when people are sick, while at the same time produce vaccine so that we don't get sick sounds clearly fishy to me.

To multinational corporations, money is the one and only objective and to the core, ethics only get in the way.

If we we're living in a socialistic society where the state produces vaccines and needs to spend resources in order to cure the sick, then I would be persuaded that vaccines are for the good of our health, or at least, try to be.

For families that don't want to vaccinate their children and can afford it, I strongly suggest to do home schooling.
Independently of their effectiveness, forcing vaccination is just wrong.

reply to post by luciddream


From source
"Authorities urge vaccination against a number of diseases including measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, rotavirus, hepatitis A, meningococcal disease, polio, and chicken pox."

I'm sorry, but from what I know all these disease aren't the type to mutate.
The common cold although constantly mutates, so are we going to force those vaccines too?

I understand your point of view, but like I said earlier, I find it logical to not trust pharmaceutical corporations considering their main motivation, money and not health.

reply to post by littled16

I don't understand why there seems to be such a big problem with letting a few unvacinnated children attend public school. If the vast majority of the children HAVE been vaccinated and one of the children who haven't been vaccinated becomes ill the only children who would be at risk are the ones who haven't been vaccinated

The problem seems to be that it is not just a few kids anymore, but in some preschools many would be unvaccinated.

reply to post by theMediator


Microbes (virus and bacteria) mutates, bacteria however mutates at much slower rate than virus does.

For example, the last years whooping cough reemergence was caused by a new strain of Bordatella Pertussis bacteria.

Immunity/Resistance to Vaccine or Antibiotic is the reason that a microbe evolves, otherwise, 1 type of vaccine, 1 type of antibiotic should d be enough for all.

I know Pharmaceutical company is out there to make money but you have to understand, they just don't simple release "evil" drugs, they might not be "trying" hard... but there is now way they are direct making people sick, because there is much easier and efficient and undetectable way to make people sick and rake in money.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes


That's one example, and I have heard of others as well. Plus, if they work, why would anyone care if some choose not to use them? Those that do should not have to worry, right?

OMG I see the ignorance about vaccines is already well underway on this thread.

Not everyone can get a vaccine for medical reasons. The ONLY way that those individuals are protected is via "herd immunity". You get herd immunity when enough people get vaccinated. Can't remember the exact figure but it is in the high 80's. So those people who are physically capable of being vaccinated are putting at risk the lives of those people who can't be vaccinated.

Jesus H. Don;t you anti vaccination folks ever read books and learn !!!!!!!!!!

Wish there was a vaccine for freaking ignorance! Because this kind of ignorance can kill.

Could this be true? Could it be that there is a thread about vaccines where the anti-vaccinists are overwhelmed?

THAT would be a difference to oh-so-many other threads on this board, where ignorant and bullying antis are using not arguments but their loud voice to dampen science and pure advancement in the war against some of the worlds most gruesome illnesses!

I could not be more happy than to have some people stop and think and decide that there are arguments pro and really, really none contra vaccines.

Forget the stupid and wrong study about "vaccines may produce autism", even the author acknowledged that he made several mistakes which turned his complete study over!

Kill the illnesses! Destroy and vaporize them!

Your kid is not vaccinated? It is a potential thread to all the other kids which were not vaccinated till then!

reply to post by ManFromEurope

Could this be true? Could it be that there is a thread about vaccines where the anti-vaccinists are overwhelmed?

One is a blue moon it happens, the logical side will overcome, but we don't know, tomorrow it might be a landslide win for the Anti-s.

They tend to throw the baby with the bathwater.

What about all those children being forced to take vaccinations in other countries and receive debilitating side effects that can't be cured?

Are those children in the "small" minority that this happens to are just acceptable collateral damage?

I think those that haven't been vaccinated pose less of a risk to those with vaccinations then the ratio of side effected cases.

I also remember reading somewhere that a Flu broke out in either a pre-school or primary school among ONLY those that had received the Flu Shot.
All those kids that hadn't taken the Flu Shot were perfectly fine.

But let's all talk about how immoral it is to not give kids vaccinations that have a faulty track record at best and let's NOT talk about the real issue.
HEALTH.
Let's not talk about the fact that most of these issues can be solved with a good healthy diet.
Not this fast food diet that most kids are on now.

Originally posted by Sovaka
What about all those children being forced to take vaccinations in other countries and receive debilitating side effects that can't be cured?

Are those children in the "small" minority that this happens to are just acceptable collateral damage?

To put it bluntly yes. If 10 kids die but a million kids are saved I say that a acceptable risk.

Originally posted by Sovaka
I think those that haven't been vaccinated pose less of a risk to those with vaccinations then the ratio of side effected cases.

Look up the concept of herd immunity.....its why we dont have smallpox.

Originally posted by Sovaka
I also remember reading somewhere that a Flu broke out in either a pre-school or primary school among ONLY those that had received the Flu Shot.
All those kids that hadn't taken the Flu Shot were perfectly fine.

Flu is very hit and miss. But just because the Flu shot may be dude does not mean all the other vaccines are.

Originally posted by Sovaka
But let's all talk about how immoral it is to not give kids vaccinations that have a faulty track record at best and let's NOT talk about the real issue.
HEALTH.

Not all vaccines have faulty track reccords.

Originally posted by Sovaka
Let's not talk about the fact that most of these issues can be solved with a good healthy diet.
Not this fast food diet that most kids are on now.

edit on 21/5/2013 by Sovaka because: Grammar damn it!

Ok prove me wrong. Eat healthly for 6 months then go to a place with a Yellow fever outbreak and roll around in the swamp. You do that and I will come with you and have my yellow fever shot and do the same thing you in?