May 20, 2013 | Full List of 171 Documented Israeli Cease Fire Violations – Updated

Originally posted by GakunGak
Interesting list. But, what do you expect from people living under constant threat of aggression?
I figure, sooner or later, someone has to respond, right?
Now I find this one:
Israeli Violations of the UN Security Council Resolutions
Just by seeing this I find that for some reason, Israel is in a "protective" state, meaning it can do basically whatever it wants. Why? Who benefits from people suffering? ME, Africa, SAmerica, whatever...?
But Israel really does some work...

Personally? I'd expect them to refrain from murdering Israeli's with terror attacks. They range from snipers to mortars to rockets to IED's (when they can get them into Israel these days). If they want to keep playing the whipped puppy while biting everyone in sight at every opportunity? Well, they're going to get smacked with the rolled up newspaper on a regular basis and have no logical reason to look confused or hurt when it happens.

Stop murdering civilians...and the world MAY actually pause long enough to consider their problems. As long as they distinguish themselves as terrorists before all else? They deserve what they get ...and I just feel for the Palesitnian civilians caught in the cross fire.....as much as I do the Israeli ones caught on the other side.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by GakunGak

Originally posted by TDawgRex
The Peace talks are always open, but the PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah have pretty much refused dialogue.

But how come there are 171 CEASE FIRE violations from Israel's side?
In order for a cease fire to be broken, it first must exist by both sides...

Because when Israel is attacked by terrorists it retaliates.

The UN Security Council says otherwise....

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The Palestinian side breaks cease-fire agreements all the time. It was even listed in this thread. And you have to admit, your link does come from a biased source.

People seem to be all aghast that this is not a fair fight.

It's not.

Originally posted by GakunGak
The UN Security Council says otherwise....

Yes .. The United Nations. Lovely bunch. Talk about a corrupt and useless bunch of self-serving politically motivated trolls. Biased. Out for themselves. Scandal ridden. Useless. One sided. Easily bought votes. So glad you brought them up.

Originally posted by GakunGak
The UN Security Council says otherwise....

The UN also recognized Israel as a Nation in 1948.

People and Nations rarely listen to the UN except when it suits them.

Originally posted by GakunGak
1: Use of WH on civvies

Nothing illegal about using screening WP

2: Illegal pirate boarding of commercial traffic bound to Gaza, which resulted in civillian casualities by Israel Military

Nothing illegal about it, even the UN found the blockade was legal..

3: Indiscriminate aerial bombing campain hitting targets close to civillian population

You mean attacking terrorists who use human shields..

4: Training weapon sights on children,

Children have been known to attack Israeli's, nothing illegal about it

If they were doing that to me, I would also defend my territory with my life.

Exactly like Israel is doing

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I think the best example of this was the withdrawl from Gaza by all Israeli settlers and forces. Of course, withdrawal is something of a kind term, isn't it? The IDF had to evict it's own citizens by force and almost started a little civil war in one of them, getting it done. Whatever the case though, they got it done as a gesture of good will and starting something for a peace process. (Of course, logistics and cost of maintaining things played into it as well)

They also told the world what would happen...tho no one believed them. They outright said Hamas would never see grace in the gesture and actions...they'd just twist it to be how the Arabs forced the Jews from the land and it was a victory to build on and attack with.......not a very strong move to try and end the daily fighting on that particular border.

Sure enough... Look how it's been painted by Hamas? Nothing good about it. Not one little thing positive. It's 100% about driving the Jews from their homes (where they left Settlements) and victory by struggle to make it all happen.

Things like that insure the side that made the effort (Israel) never bothers again. Why? Even when peace efforts are made, it literally brings MORE fighting as often as not. Doing nothing is, oddly, the safer course sometimes.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000Personally? I'd expect them to refrain from murdering Israeli's with terror attacks. They range from snipers to mortars to rockets to IED's (when they can get them into Israel these days). If they want to keep playing the whipped puppy while biting everyone in sight at every opportunity? Well, they're going to get smacked with the rolled up newspaper on a regular basis and have no logical reason to look confused or hurt when it happens.

Stop murdering civilians...and the world MAY actually pause long enough to consider their problems. As long as they distinguish themselves as terrorists before all else? They deserve what they get ...and I just feel for the Palesitnian civilians caught in the cross fire.....as much as I do the Israeli ones caught on the other side.

I strongly disagree with your opinion and here's why:
1: Israel's harassment of Palestine/Gaza/Syria is much larger in scale of response. See civillian list
2: Israel's warfare is barbaric, for example, use of child as a human shield.
3: Illegal settlements
4: White Phosporous
5: Forced propaganda [Psychological Warfare] of porn on Palestinians channels who have taken over three Palestinian television stations of Ramallah.
6: Kids throwing rocks and soldiers opeining fire on them

I say, the issue is far more worse than the people want to accept.

Solution? Berlin/China wall along the border, set it and forget it. No more problem.

Originally posted by GakunGak
Illegal pirate boarding of commercial traffic bound to Gaza, which resulted in civillian casualities by Israel Military

You do understand why Israel runs a blockade in the water, don't you? It's because WEAPONS and AMMO are being illegally smuggled into the Gaza on boats by the Palestinian terrorists. And those weapons are being used on Israeli civilians.

Tell your terrorist buddies in the Gaza to stop importing illegal weapons and ammo via the water and then Israel will have no need to be boarding ships and searching for them.

Oh ... and you might want to tell the Hamas terrorists to fill in the illegal smuggling tunnels that they have set up in the Gaza as well. You know .. the tunnels that they bring weapons and ammo though that is then used to kill Israeli civilians.

Do those things and Israel might ease up a bit on the searches ... ya' know??

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Oh, I'm painfully aware of how much you absolutely *HATE* Israel and everything remotely connected to it. I've read the thread before saying something in it. I don't much care for the Israeli Government myself. I'd wager I've said enough publicly to get a tourist visit stopped before I even passed their customs at the airport too. The little prices we all pay for speech and protest.

The difference is....You seem to see bad in Israel while somehow thinking that makes anyone against them noble and good? Hamas is a pack of bloodthirsty punks and scumbags where the word terrorist may actually be a little too GOOD for them. That suggests organization, purpose and strength of conviction I'm not sure those people have among them. The PLO, they aren't. To say the least.

However, Peace means finding ways to tolerate everyone and the terrorists running Gaza hate the Jews as much as the Jews and others hate them. So..perhaps they could make a wee little concession ...like removing the language from their literal charter than demands the destruction of Modern Israel and everyone IN IT. Kinda hard to have anything like sincere talks with someone whose whole stated purpose in life is your death, isn't it?

Either way I understand the brainwashing here and the christians and others must support the jews...err israelis well whichever handle they are using *cough* semites of which they most certainly are not.
Bottom line, without all of the extra cash and munitions israeli terrorists recieve from other countries, they would have been forced off of their illegally gained land a long time ago.
But fear not folks, israeli lies are seen more and more everyday, and when the cow runs dry, we will see something real neat happen.
I understand israelis check my sig, I spread the truth wherever and whenever I can.
You see, I understand israeli terrorists do not just murder helpless brown people but they have murdered my countrymen as well.

Originally posted by GakunGak
1: Israel's harassment of Palestine/Gaza/Syria is much larger in scale of response.

Dude .. if someone slaps you .. you don't slap them back. They'll just slap you again. You punch their nose in so they know not to try to hit you again. This is basic stuff ...

2: Israel's warfare is barbaric, for example, use of child as a human shield.

Hamas, Hezbollah and the Palestinian terrorists warfare is barbaric.
Use of children as human shields. Use of ambulances to transport weapons and terrorist soldiers.

3: Illegal settlements

That can be debated. 'Palestinians' are notorious squatters. Numerous Muslim countries have kicked them out for squatting and for 'misbehaving'. They got pushed off onto the Israelis for a reason.

4: White Phosporous

Maybe. And the Palestinians use daily rocket bombardment and suicide bombers. Like I said ... everyone over there has blood on their hands.

5: Forced propaganda [Psychological Warfare] of porn on Palestinians channels who have taken over three Palestinian television stations of Ramallah.

FORCED PORN?? Ha ha .. 'forced porn' .. if the muslims don't like it, they don't have to watch. No one is forcing them to watch. If the Palestinians don't like it .. then tell them to stop putting out crap like FARFUR the terrorist mouse who tells children to be suicide bombers and kill Israelis. You want to talk 'Psychological warfare'?? The Palestinians brainwash their children into killing themselves for their religion.

6: Kids throwing rocks and soldiers opeining fire on them

Then tell the kids not to throw rocks. Today's rock throwers are tomorrows rocket launchers.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by GakunGak

 

The Palestinian side breaks cease-fire agreements all the time. It was even listed in this thread. And you have to admit, your link does come from a biased source.

People seem to be all aghast that this is not a fair fight.

It's not.

Of course it breaks them, as a response to Israeli provocations that are the first ones to break, found those listed in this thread.

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So disagreement and a sincere matter of difference to opinion is brainwashing?

I notice the hard hard hate and words of fighting...generally originate and are held dear by one side of this topic. Almost universally and without exception. Not 100%...but very close to it. Odd how that works. Those most vicious for peace...are most eager to talk war.

There is probably enough to keep psychiatrists busy for a long time with some folks by that alone.

Originally posted by g146541
Either way I understand the brainwashing here and the christians and others must support the jews...err israelis:

You assume too much. You have no idea what religion people here are .. if any. And the only responses you have gotten to your propaganda are facts. No religious rhetoric by anyone and no one brought up Christian/Jew bible/scripture anything .. except you.

without all of the extra cash and munitions israeli terrorists recieve from other countries, they would have been forced off of their illegally gained land a long time ago.

Without all the extra cash and munitions, Palestinian squatters and terrorists would have either assimulated into the progressive culture in Israel or they would have been forced to go back to whatever hell-hole country they came from and learn to behave properly there.

I understand israelis check my sig, I spread the truth wherever and whenever I can.

Whatever dude. I dont think anyone bothered to read your signature.

You see, I understand israeli terrorists do not just murder helpless brown people but they have murdered my countrymen as well.

Considering that the Palestinians are the ones saying that the race of Jews are all 'pigs and apes' .. and that sort of thing isn't coming out of the USA or Israel towards the Palestinians .. I'd say you got playing the race card backwards.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by GakunGak
1: Use of WH on civvies

Nothing illegal about using screening WP

2: Illegal pirate boarding of commercial traffic bound to Gaza, which resulted in civillian casualities by Israel Military

Nothing illegal about it, even the UN found the blockade was legal..

3: Indiscriminate aerial bombing campain hitting targets close to civillian population

You mean attacking terrorists who use human shields..

4: Training weapon sights on children,

Children have been known to attack Israeli's, nothing illegal about it

If they were doing that to me, I would also defend my territory with my life.

Exactly like Israel is doing

1: WP pictures "screening" civillian population:




2: en.wikipedia.org...-Turkey_dip lomatic_crisis
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid#Easing_of_Gaza_blockade]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid#Easing_of_Gaza_blockade[/ url]
3: No human shields here

4: Terrorist killed by Israel

5: Actually, I would be defending from Israeli attack on my home, my freedom and my right to live and be free.

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I bet Hezbollah, Hamaz, and the Palestinians terrorists kill more of their own children then Israel does when it retaliates for terrorist attacks.

Use of Child Suicide Bombers against Israel

According to Amnesty International, "Palestinian armed groups have repeatedly shown total disregard for the most fundamental human rights, notably the right to life, by deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and by using Palestinian children in armed attacks. Children are susceptible to recruitment by manipulation or may be driven to join armed groups for a variety of reasons, including a desire to avenge relatives or friends killed by the Israeli army."

Palestinians Use Human Shields

During the Second Intifada (2000–2005) Palestinian gunmen used civilians and children as human shields, by surrounding themselves with children while shooting on IDF forces.

... hundreds of Palestinians, including many women and children, gathered outside Baroud's house. Israel suspended the airstrike out of fear that the human shields would be killed or injured. In response to Israel's reaction, another Palestinian leader said: "We have won. From now on we will form human chains around every house that is threatened with demolition."[12] The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs says Hamas now regularly uses human shields to protect the homes of Hamas officials

Hamas uses women and children as human shields as part of their terrorist war strategy.
They said so themselves.

LOTS more stories like this one ....

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by GakunGak

 

Oh, I'm painfully aware of how much you absolutely *HATE* Israel and everything remotely connected to it. I've read the thread before saying something in it. I don't much care for the Israeli Government myself. I'd wager I've said enough publicly to get a tourist visit stopped before I even passed their customs at the airport too. The little prices we all pay for speech and protest.

The difference is....You seem to see bad in Israel while somehow thinking that makes anyone against them noble and good? Hamas is a pack of bloodthirsty punks and scumbags where the word terrorist may actually be a little too GOOD for them. That suggests organization, purpose and strength of conviction I'm not sure those people have among them. The PLO, they aren't. To say the least.

However, Peace means finding ways to tolerate everyone and the terrorists running Gaza hate the Jews as much as the Jews and others hate them. So..perhaps they could make a wee little concession ...like removing the language from their literal charter than demands the destruction of Modern Israel and everyone IN IT. Kinda hard to have anything like sincere talks with someone whose whole stated purpose in life is your death, isn't it?

I'm sorry I do not share your views on this, but I simply cannot support Israel on this because, well, of what I posted here.
Why should I be forced, against my will to cheer for a villian just because:
1: It has public US backing of anything it does
2: Defies any international requirements, like, opening it's nuclear arsenal for inspection while forcing others to do the same
3: Auto amnesty because "People of God"
4: Bible says so
I say, those doing bad things should be punished, both the terrorist side and Israeli side doing harm on civilians from either side. But people actually favor more Israel despite being more bloodthirsty and actually committing atrocities. That, I don't get it...

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Well, that's a mighty powerful picture of a baby. Obviously injured..and I'm sure the story will be all about how a Jew did that and probably meant to, if I'm not too mistaken. Who knows..maybe this time it'll just be a negligent mistake claimed for the cause? Lets be entirely fair though....

Palestinians are pretty skilled at murdering babies too...if we want to make such broad and sweeping generalizations.

Terror attack in Itamar: 5 family members murdered

A Magen David Adom team that arrived at the scene at 1:00 a.m. announced a couple, their 11-year old child, 3-year-old toddler, and a one-month baby girl dead from stabbing wounds.

Source

There is no shortage of innocents killed and lost on both sides. There is no shortage of bad people and killers on both sides. There is sure no shortage of tragedy for the civilians of both sides to suffer.

The difference is where those against Israel tend to be blind and fanatic in that hate. Unable to even acknowledge the horror of "their own" side for the evils done. In a war? I side with Israel. No question. I've made that logic clear and explained why in other threads. At the same time, I'll never claim Israel is perfect or even all that great about how they pursue policy. They're just much better than what they're fighting, IMO. Intelligent people can disagree.

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One link vs. many links. Yep got it.

Not much bias there.

Let's put it this way.

If someone were throwing rocks at me and I could mace or taze them to get them to stop, I would.

If they were shooting to "scare" me, I would shoot back to kill them.

I'm sure that if the Palestinians would actually abide by a cease fire and return to the table, their lot in life would improve. After all, the Dome of the Rock has not been torn down. And there are plenty of mosques in Israel as well.

And if the cowardly Hamas and Hezbollah would stop hiding behind women and children, the civilian casualty count would dimish greatly as well.