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Look up NWO Illuminati and branch from there
Ive been researching these topics for over a decade. Thanks, though.
Now if you are educated and have decided that the existence of the NWO agenda is not substantial enough in the evidence throughout history that support this theory, that's okay. But its Time to start thinking outside the box
Never said anything of the sort, and I still fail to see how this, in any way, correlates to the accusation that HAARP was used in OK.
Lots of words, no substance.
Originally posted by WonderBoi
You ALMOST had me, til you used the Military Industrial Complex as your "source" of "facts". lol They steal the technology and then you're gonna use that as your source? I gave "proof" from the actual SOURCE, which was Tesla. How you delete him from the topic, is beyond me?
Originally posted by siliconpsychosis
Originally posted by flyswatter
"The ionosphere is created and continuously replenished as the sun's radiation interacts with the highest levels of the Earth's atmosphere. The downward coupling from the ionosphere to the stratosphere/troposphere is extremely weak, and no association between natural ionospheric variability and surface weather and climate has been found, even at the extraordinarily high levels of ionospheric turbulence that the sun can produce during a geomagnetic storm"
The above is a factual statement. If you would like to speak about it with the people responsible for making the above statement, here is the contact information:
377th Air Base Wing Public Affairs
2000 Wyoming Blvd. SE
Suite A-1
Kirtland Air Force Base, NM 87117
Of course, you could always look into the scientific facts about ionospheric-tropospheric interactions yourself:
www.sciencedirect.com...
Here's a bit more:
sess.stanford.edu...
And some more:
www.utsa.edu...(d)/pdf/19961.pdf
Mr. OP, got any FACTS to back your side up? Didnt think so.
Before I go, thanks for that information. May I ask (to anyone) how much energy is thrown at the ionosphere daily by the sun? must be gigantic in proportion to anything HAARP sends up.
Let me also ask, what do you consider "proof", my version or yours? I can easily decimate your "facts" as could you, with mine. So, who's right, and who's wrong? Right/Wrong...there goes that "positive and negative" connection again. Can you feel the tornado that was created in this topic???? It's easy to make the winds swirl when you got POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE FORCES fighting each other.
How's that for PROOF!
Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by captaintyinknots
You know what's pathetic? Joining a conspiracy site, making a conspiracy post, and having so many people attacking. That's what's pathetic! Why are some of you so adamant on quelling the HAARP theory? I've noticed the same pattern regarding the chemtrail topic. We live in a world of possibilities, accept for here on ATS. On ATS, nothing is possible because we don't have "proof" or "facts". This site doesn't need "moderators". ATS needs "mediators". lol Maybe a judge who hasn't been bought and paid for by the NWO, that can weigh the facts and give us a verdict.
I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that most of the "naysayers" to advanced technology/scalar weapons are government affiliated. Probably military. I'm CERTAIN they're all over this site, shilling and giving misinformation to people who refuse to seek knowledge for themselves.
I understand that. It is no more coherent now than it was then.
Those above citations were or your responses to my Those above citations were or your responses to my statements.
I have deflected nothing. I have provided facts and sources. The two of you have yet to provide a single relevant piece of evidence.
You are deflecting, rambling on, about the answer to the question you asked.
You know whats funny? I watched that Bush speech live.
You do not like the answer or fathom the answer that the NWO which is an old agenda,
Lets say I concede that 'they' do have such capabilities. How does that serve to prove said capabilities were used in this instance?
has the means and capability to manipulate all types of events due to the power and control.
I understand the difference between fact and theory. FACT IS: scalar weapons do exist. FACT IS: they can control/manipulate the weather. The theory on how those things are done, can be found by you digging through the FACTS.
Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by captaintyinknots
You know what's pathetic? Joining a conspiracy site, making a conspiracy post, and having so many people attacking. That's what's pathetic! Why are some of you so adamant on quelling the HAARP theory? I've noticed the same pattern regarding the chemtrail topic. We live in a world of possibilities, accept for here on ATS. On ATS, nothing is possible because we don't have "proof" or "facts". This site doesn't need "moderators". ATS needs "mediators". lol Maybe a judge who hasn't been bought and paid for by the NWO, that can weigh the facts and give us a verdict.
I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that most of the "naysayers" to advanced technology/scalar weapons are government affiliated. Probably military. I'm CERTAIN they're all over this site, shilling and giving misinformation to people who refuse to seek knowledge for themselves.
By this post, you have made it VERY obvious that you simply do not understand the difference between fact and theory. If you did, you wouldnt have even considered making this post. Having a theory about this is fine, but you have claimed proof. Two different things, two different worlds.
And please do note that accusing people of being "shills" is against site T&C. Be careful where you tread with that.
A Swiss company has announced the successful testing of a new weather control technology, which it claims has created as many as fifty rainstorms in the barren, arid deserts of Abu Dhabi. The company, Zug, Switzerland-based Meteo Systems, has invented a system that uses giant ionizers -- essentially fabric-free umbrellas on long steel poles. These generate fields of negatively charged particles that rise with dust from the desert and promote cloud formation, the company says, and therefore rain. Read more: www.foxnews.com...
The words that these "experts" use are the keys. First, he says: "fat chance, that's garbage, that's absolute garbage. I don't believe it for a nanosecond. You aren't going to get anything out of clear skies." But then he says: "It's POSSIBLE", "but show me the data"? Where have i heard those words before (show me the facts, er, data)? So, again, this "weather modification EXPERT" says you can't get anything out of clear skies; followed up by: It's POSSIBLE? Well, either it can't be done, or it can be done. What's with the double talk???
Dr. Joseph Golden, formerly senior meteorologist at the Forecast Systems Lab of the National Weather Service and an expert in weather modification, read headlines describing the system, which supposedly created clouds from clear skies -- and said "fat chance". "That's garbage, that's absolute garbage. I don't believe that for a nanosecond. You aren't going to get anything out of clear skies," he told FoxNews.com. "I don't want to sound like Tom Cruise here, but show me the data." "It's possible, but show me the data," he added. Read more: www.foxnews.com...
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by whatzshaken
You are deflecting, rambling on, about the answer to the question you asked.
I have deflected nothing. I have provided facts and sources. The two of you have yet to provide a single relevant piece of evidence.
reiterate those facts and sources for me please?
You do not like the answer or fathom the answer that the NWO which is an old agenda,
You know whats funny? I watched that Bush speech live.
Live on television or live like you were in the same room? Big difference?
Lets say I concede that 'they' do have such capabilities. How does that serve to prove said capabilities were used in this instance?
has the means and capability to manipulate all types of events due to the power and control.
Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Yes, the SITE's motto is "Deny Ignorance", it doesn't stop people from being ignorant. So much to learn, so little time to tech you. I can teach you from any angle you choose. But, you say i'm "bouncing".To simply say, tptb can't manipulate natural phenomena is a complete and utter LIE! They can and they have. Do some research regarding "Hurricane Sandy" for further explanation. Don't get caught up into believing that HAARP is just an RF antennae. Lots of things can be done to specific frequencies. Vibrations causes objects to move!
A recent observation using an infrasonic observatory collocated with a Doppler radar provided a unique dataset for comparing infrasonic measurements with well-observed storm kinematics. The sound direction and elevation angle followed the trend of the movement of the vortex circulation maximum as a function of time. Sufficient information was available to compare the acoustic spectra with that predicted by sound generation models, suggesting that the sound originated from vortex radial modes of vibration. Radial vortex vibration as a source of infrasound is discussed in more detail in a later section.www.esrl.noaa.gov...
A high power transmitter and antenna array operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The transmitter is capable of delivering up to 3.6 million Watts to an antenna system consisting of 180 crossed dipole antennas arranged as a rectangular, planar array.
All weather is confined to this lower region and it contains 90% of the Earth's atmosphere and 99% of the water vapor. The highest mountains are still within the troposphere and all of our normal day-to-day activities occur here. The high altitude jet stream is found near the tropopause at the upper end of this region.
Weather modification in warfare has been banned by the United Nations.
Originally posted by whatzshaken
Because Alaska just so happens to be under the Jet stream flow, to send 3.6 million Watts of electricity that is a form of energy to the ionosphere you must pass through the tropopause (troposphere) to do so.
Thus effecting the flow of energy in the troposphere which just so happens to hold the jet stream which affects the weather.
We can digress to chemtrails but that's another thread but is a key component.
Harvard researchers have confirmed speculations made 65 years ago by author Vladimir Nabokov regarding the evolution of Polyommatus blue butterflies. Nabokov, whose works include “Lolita” and “Pale Fire,” was also the curator of lepidoptera at the Harvard Museum of Comparative Zoology. He released a paper in 1945 hypothesizing that the butterflies had migrated from Asia to North America and then South America millions of years ago. He proposed that they did so in a series of five waves over time. At the time that his paper was released, few scientists took his theories seriously. When he passed away in 1977, his paper remained unproven.
First law: An object at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by a force. An object in motion remains in motion, and at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force. [2][3]
Second law: The acceleration of a body is directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the net force acting on the body, and inversely proportional to its mass. Thus, F = ma, where F is the net force acting on the object, m is the mass of the object and a is the acceleration of the object.
Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the first body.
Originally posted by whatzshaken
When a Butterfly flaps its wings.
Butterfly Effect/Chaos Theory
Originally posted by WonderBoi
I understand the difference between fact and theory. FACT IS: scalar weapons do exist. FACT IS: they can control/manipulate the weather. The theory on how those things are done, can be found by you digging through the FACTS.
Originally posted by flyswatter
Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by captaintyinknots
You know what's pathetic? Joining a conspiracy site, making a conspiracy post, and having so many people attacking. That's what's pathetic! Why are some of you so adamant on quelling the HAARP theory? I've noticed the same pattern regarding the chemtrail topic. We live in a world of possibilities, accept for here on ATS. On ATS, nothing is possible because we don't have "proof" or "facts". This site doesn't need "moderators". ATS needs "mediators". lol Maybe a judge who hasn't been bought and paid for by the NWO, that can weigh the facts and give us a verdict.
I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that most of the "naysayers" to advanced technology/scalar weapons are government affiliated. Probably military. I'm CERTAIN they're all over this site, shilling and giving misinformation to people who refuse to seek knowledge for themselves.
By this post, you have made it VERY obvious that you simply do not understand the difference between fact and theory. If you did, you wouldnt have even considered making this post. Having a theory about this is fine, but you have claimed proof. Two different things, two different worlds.
And please do note that accusing people of being "shills" is against site T&C. Be careful where you tread with that.
Originally posted by flyswatter
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What you have provided is not proof of anything except that Tesla was a damn genius, and I really dont think anyone will try to deny that. But you seem to think that showing results of his experiments seem to validate your claim of HAARP being able to control the weather, which they are FAR from doing.
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