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Was HAARP Used in OK to Bail Out the POTUS?

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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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You know what's pathetic? Joining a conspiracy site, making a conspiracy post, and having so many people attacking.
Perhaps you missed the site motto. "Deny Ignorance".




That's what's pathetic! Why are some of you so adamant on quelling the HAARP theory?
Nobodys adamant on quelling it. I guarantee you that if you provide any DECENT evidence, people will be all over it.

We are interested in truth.




? I've noticed the same pattern regarding the chemtrail topic. We live in a world of possibilities, accept for here on ATS.
Are you for real? People on ATS are free to discuss any possibility that they want. If you're expecting everyone to fall in line "cuz you say so", well, you're probably in the wrong place.




On ATS, nothing is possible because we don't have "proof" or "facts".
So, is this you admittance that you do not have proof, or facts, on this topic?




This site doesn't need "moderators". ATS needs "mediators". lol Maybe a judge who hasn't been bought and paid for by the NWO, that can weigh the facts and give us a verdict.





I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that most of the "naysayers" to advanced technology/scalar weapons are government affiliated.
I used to work in a school district with autistic children, so maybe that makes me government affiliated? If not, sorry, but you're just wrong, and just another of a long line of childish people who accuse everyone of being bought and paid for if they dont believe every word out of their mouth.




Probably military.






. I'm CERTAIN they're all over this site, shilling and giving misinformation to people who refuse to seek knowledge for themselves.
There certainly are some here. That, however, doesnt negate the fact that you are yet to provide one single piece of evidence.
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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And? Those are oldies but goodies. What, exactly, does that have to do with HAARP and tornadoes?



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 05:25 PM
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I have nothing against conspiracy theories, and I think there are some good one floating around. But you can't say something is true, without facts to back it up. And just to be clear, I am not attacking you personally either.

But essentially you might as well be saying that magic pixies can cause tornados, and here are a few YouTube videos that say so.

If you had mentioned some other device aside from HAARP (or anything that does not use EM propagation), then I could not argue with you.
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 05:32 PM
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I agree with the mentality that the internet and media coverage is more widespread than the actual activity more than likely. However, I also believe that the frequency of storms, earthquakes and hurricanes that are extremely intense has increased. I believe what most people are trying to say is that there are a lot of incidents that are out of the norm in the past few years. Such as the location and timing of some weather conditions, earthquakes in odd places, and completely abnormal and out of season conditions. The sheer intensity of some of these situations is what is notable, such as the tornado yesterday in Oklahoma. For a Tornado that size to have stayed on the ground for 40 minutes is what was so devastating and unusual, not that Oklahoma had a tornado in spring.

When you hear reports in the media of HISTORIC events, as well as residents being interviewed that are saying they've never seen situations and conditions in the areas they live in during their lifetimes, like the ones more recently. I am only 45 years old and in the state I live in I have seen conditions in the past 18 years that were definitely a first for me. Not only that, but the F4 tornado I was lucky enough to survive in my hometown happened on JANUARY 11th...which is definitely when we should expect snow, but not under any circumstance a summer like day with devastating tornadoes.

I don't have the answer for why, and I can't say that anyone truly does have the exact cause. I will say however that just because we don't believe HAARP is the reason, we cannot deny that something is going on with our environment, atmosphere and weather that I do not think has happened prior.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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If only cloud seeding were as realiable as you seem to think. We would not be suffering a drought right now if we could just place an order for rain.


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The President has stated he was pushing the NWO agenda brought on by the fathers of the United Nations.
What is the Agenda? and who is affiliated with the United Nations?



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 05:40 PM
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Chavez? Amadhinijad? The Georgia Guidestones? For real?
This is your evidence?




posted on May, 21 2013 @ 05:42 PM
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Yes, the SITE's motto is "Deny Ignorance", it doesn't stop people from being ignorant. So much to learn, so little time to tech you. I can teach you from any angle you choose. But, you say i'm "bouncing".

A recent observation using an infrasonic observatory collocated with a Doppler radar provided a unique dataset for comparing infrasonic measurements with well-observed storm kinematics. The sound direction and elevation angle followed the trend of the movement of the vortex circulation maximum as a function of time. Sufficient information was available to compare the acoustic spectra with that predicted by sound generation models, suggesting that the sound originated from vortex radial modes of vibration. Radial vortex vibration as a source of infrasound is discussed in more detail in a later section.www.esrl.noaa.gov...
To simply say, tptb can't manipulate natural phenomena is a complete and utter LIE! They can and they have. Do some research regarding "Hurricane Sandy" for further explanation. Don't get caught up into believing that HAARP is just an RF antennae. Lots of things can be done to specific frequencies. Vibrations causes objects to move!



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 05:59 PM
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Have you examined the evidence?
What they are saying?
Why you are told not to listen to them?
Maybe there is some truth to what they collectively are saying?



For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.


A wishing well of symbolism...

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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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Yes, the SITE's motto is "Deny Ignorance", it doesn't stop people from being ignorant. So much to learn, so little time to tech you. I can teach you from any angle you choose. But, you say i'm "bouncing".

Please, 'tech' me. Im a willing student. Id love to see some evidence, which is what I have been asking for all along. Instead of wasting all this time deflecting and dodging and using every troll tactic in the book, why dont you spend that time posting facts and evidence? You claim you have so little time....yet you waste so much of it trying to avoid providing evidence of what you claim.




A recent observation using an infrasonic observatory collocated with a Doppler radar provided a unique dataset for comparing infrasonic measurements with well-observed storm kinematics. The sound direction and elevation angle followed the trend of the movement of the vortex circulation maximum as a function of time. Sufficient information was available to compare the acoustic spectra with that predicted by sound generation models, suggesting that the sound originated from vortex radial modes of vibration. Radial vortex vibration as a source of infrasound is discussed in more detail in a later section.www.esrl.noaa.gov...


You do realize that your article is about natural phenomena, thus working AGAINST your point, right?




To simply say, tptb can't manipulate natural phenomena is a complete and utter LIE!
Not one person that I have seen in this thread has claimed anything of the sort. Funny how you shifted from "haarp can do it" to "tptb can do it". Very, very intellectually dishonest.




They can and they have
Yes they have. And no one is saying they havent.




. Do some research regarding "Hurricane Sandy" for further explanation.





Don't get caught up into believing that HAARP is just an RF antennae. Lots of things can be done to specific frequencies. Vibrations causes objects to move!
Like I keep saying, provide me with a little evidence to back up the claim, and Ill gladly listen. "cuz I say so" is not valid evidence.

Ugh, how many pages now have you been deflecting from the elephant in the room: evidence?



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:12 PM
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Have you examined the evidence? What they are saying?
Yup, many, many times. They 'say' a lot of things. They, like some posters, tend to shrink when asked to prove it, however.

Amhadinajad also claims the holocaust never happened, for the record.





Why you are told not to listen to them?
Ive never been told not to listen to them, so I am not sure what you mean.




Maybe there is some truth to what they collectively are saying?
maybe. But until someone presents evidence to back it up, I highly doubt it.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:24 PM
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How many plans/operations go ahead as prepared or predicted?

This "organisation" will slip up and when they do they have to cover their tracks, divert the public.

Buy some Time.

Those who are prepared need to make others aware of the means in which this diabolical scheme, is being carried out.


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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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How many plans/operations go ahead as prepared or predicted?
Im assuming this is rhetorical?




This "organisation" will slip up and when they do they have to cover their tracks, divert the public.
Ok?






Bye some Time. Those who are prepared need to make others aware of the means in which this diabolical scheme, is being carried out.
Ahhh to be one of the enlightened who requires no evidence to be convinced...



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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what do mean no evidence?

Look up NWO Illuminati and branch from there

The Vatican,

Freemasonry

UFO, operation high jump.

plenty of info online and on youtube



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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what do mean no evidence?
I mean NO EVIDENCE.




Look up NWO Illuminati and branch from there
Ive been researching these topics for over a decade. Thanks, though.




The Vatican, Freemasonry UFO, operation high jump.
This is a little sad. Really.




plenty of info online and on youtube
And herein lies the problem. You all would use youtube and conspiracy sites as 'evidence'.

The funny thing is, though, you all have yet to post anything but conspiracy buzz words and youtube videos. Not one single shred of tangible evidence.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:38 PM
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Your discrediting youtube because its videos are rated on a likeable scale?

Information is neither judgemental nor biased.

That is left up to you, to do what is right for the future
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 
Yes, the SITE's motto is "Deny Ignorance", it doesn't stop people from being ignorant. So much to learn, so little time to tech you. I can teach you from any angle you choose. But, you say i'm "bouncing".

A recent observation using an infrasonic observatory collocated with a Doppler radar provided a unique dataset for comparing infrasonic measurements with well-observed storm kinematics. The sound direction and elevation angle followed the trend of the movement of the vortex circulation maximum as a function of time. Sufficient information was available to compare the acoustic spectra with that predicted by sound generation models, suggesting that the sound originated from vortex radial modes of vibration. Radial vortex vibration as a source of infrasound is discussed in more detail in a later section.www.esrl.noaa.gov...
To simply say, tptb can't manipulate natural phenomena is a complete and utter LIE! They can and they have. Do some research regarding "Hurricane Sandy" for further explanation. Don't get caught up into believing that HAARP is just an RF antennae. Lots of things can be done to specific frequencies. Vibrations causes objects to move!


HAARP is just that, an RF antenna. A highly specialised one with limited use and function. Period, all stop, do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars. The use of Occam's Razor alone is sufficient alone, kill this delusion you have with HAARP. I've put the basic resources in front of you, on where to start learning the physics in Radio Wave Transmission. I did not do it out of spite. I did it because you are clearly in the wrong.

Let me restate it for you.

HAARP can not change or effect the weather, nor can it cause Earthquakes or damage any real world physical object. It cannot do so, because the physics involved prove it cannot.

You cannot change the Laws of Physics to suit your whims.
No one can.

Not even President Obama.

If you don't understand the physics, or the math frightens you, then proving your case, much less creating a valid one; will never occur.

I base my reasoning on what HAARP can or cannot do on facts, math, science and physics. When you cannot supply all of the aforementioned to prove what you personally think HAARP can do: Then clearly you should be either doing some serious study based on logic and factual investigation. Or finding some other, useful, way to fill your time.

Otherwise you are going to accomplish very little, other than creating a headache for yourself; and discovering eventually that the only people who pay any attention to you are either trying to help you see reason, or are delusional.

Also if I were a disinfo-agent, (which no doubt you would like to think I was,) my pension would be significantly larger and my bank account much fuller.

While Tesla's Earthquake machine has been proven to be a functional, recreatable device, (as seen on Mythbusters, look it up.) Very few of his projects and technological feats have been recreatable or proven to work on a consistent reproducible basis. If they were, scientists and electrical engineers would be using his technologies to make the world a better place.

Science alone demands that the result created must be proven, documentable and reproducible.

Which is to say, if HAARP can change the weather, why is no scientist, backyard genius, electrical engineer or otherwise doing so? It's not because they can't make their own HAARP Array, if they have the money, or time. It's not because the technology in creating the HAARP array is beyond understanding. It is because HAARP can not cause such things, because HAARP and antennas in general must follow the laws of physics.

Which is where every single person who thinks HAARP can cause weather changes and earthquakes fall on their face. They fall because they can not create the effects needed, and they can not document having done so in a organised fashion. Most of all, other people cannot replicate those effects.

Again, HAARP is not a weather modification tool, or an earthquake weapon. Why? Because physics say it cannot do that, and to this date, no one has been able to create a variation on HAARP that can.

In plain simple english.

HAARP is an Antenna. It can not change the weather and it can not cause earthquakes. Because it has to follow known and established physics. Further more, if a device can not be replicated and proven to work in it's "documented" behaviors and produce the same results time and time again.... It is either a fabrication, falsification, a myth or fantasy.

Science demands facts and reproducible results. There has never been any established facts or reproducible proof that HAARP does what you think it does.

None.

M.
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Your discrediting youtube because its videos are rated on a likeable scale?
No, because any shmo can make a youtube video. Some may be great, but reliance on them as evidence is silly.




Information is neither judgemental nor biased. That is left up to you, to do what is right for the future
I give you guys credit for your persistence in deflection, if nothing else. Its just unfortunate that you seem to think that giving someone the runaround and relying on speculation is a proper replacement for fact based evidence.



posted on May, 21 2013 @ 07:25 PM
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There is no run around here.

A) you believe the NWO agenda is being implemented

B) you are ignorant to the entire scope of this monolithic and ruthless conspiracy.

C) Your with them. Now you may be forced to cooperate with their agenda due to their influence, or support them.

You have stated you have educated yourself with the history of this NWO agenda so then you must understand the depths these theorist have informed you of the globally historic conspiracy.

There fore you are not ignorant of the situation so it is possible you did not get your money's worth on that wish...
(I'll refer you too)

Have you examined the evidence?
What they are saying?
Why you are told not to listen to them?
Maybe there is some truth to what they collectively are saying?

For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

A wishing well of symbolism...


Now if you are educated and have decided that the existence of the NWO agenda is not substantial enough in the evidence throughout history that support this theory, that's okay. But its Time to start thinking outside the box

Or however, with all your education you have decided to support this agenda.

The question I pose to you is where do you stand?

Not fully aware to the substantial nature of this theory, or support the NWO agenda?
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 07:57 PM
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There is no run around here.

Yes, there is. You are going to great lengths to deflect from the topic: Was HAARP Used in OK to Bail Out the POTUS? Posting about the NWO, Illuminati, etc, is not evidence that it was, in any way.




A) you believe the NWO agenda is being implemented



B) you are ignorant to the entire scope of this monolithic and ruthless conspiracy.



C) Your with them. Now you may be forced to cooperate with their agenda due to their influence, or support them.

Standard reply. "You dont believe me and the complete lack of evidence, you must be one of them"




You have stated you have educated yourself with the history of this NWO agenda so then you must understand the depths these theorist have informed you of the globally historic conspiracy.
k?




There fore you are not ignorant of the situation so it is possible you did not get your money's worth on that wish...
Still with the runaround, still not one piece of evidence.




Now if you are educated and have decided that the existence of the NWO agenda is not substantial enough in the evidence throughout history that support this theory, that's okay. But its Time to start thinking outside the box
Never said anything of the sort, and I still fail to see how this, in any way, correlates to the accusation that HAARP was used in OK.

Lots of words, no substance.




Or however, with all your education you have decided to support this agenda.
Or maybe, I prefer to base things off of facts and evidence.




The question I pose to you is where do you stand?
On the side of logic and reason. Seems a pretty lonely place to stand these days.




Not fully aware to the substantial nature of this theory, or support the NWO agenda?
That you think these are the only two options says it all.
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posted on May, 21 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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"There is no run around here."


Yes, there is.





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And? Those are oldies but goodies. What, exactly, does that have to do with HAARP and tornadoes?


hahahahahha you asked I responded.



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