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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by salmonofknowledge
 


Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.


Yes, it does, it also matters what shape the structure is and whether there is an area where such a force can gain a hold. A flat wall is an obstacle which prevents the movement of force until it breaks, a smooth curved surface allows the force to flow over it.

Look at aerodynamics... building a traditional house in a tornado-prone area would be like trying to drive a truck sideways into the wind. You cannot expect anything good to happen with that kind of blunt surface facing such pressure.
Then compare that to driving a low and aerodynamic car forward into a wind, this is the optimum design to allow the force to flow OVER it.

Why are baseballs round and not cube? It's not because they look nicer, it's because they're aerodynamic and the force of air around them is not causing the level of friction it would on a flat surface.

I don't know why people are refuting this, it's very simple science and the kind of thing you should have all learned before you were 12.


To some agree you both are right. If we can build bunkers of concrete that can withstand a nucleair attack they would be able to withstand a tornado to but only with a firm construction attached to good foundations.

The problem with domes... well if you look at a sphere you cant take half a sphere as dome because the side that would touch the ground is in a 90 degree angle to the ground and so the assumed winds, the basis just works as a flat wall. So we can only use like 10% of a sphere. If we look at the space inside and the space we can actually use we need to use a lot more ground surface to get to a normal surface of dwellings we have today. It is not economical feasible now. The openings in the proposed domes like doors windows or other daylight systems is at this moment not possible to construct in a way it can withstand impacts of debri. All the openings should be automatically closed as air pressure can cause a lot of damage.

Besides this we dont actually know what the wind does at ground level in a strong tornado. Sure most of the time domes couod withstand our assumptions but even asphalt gets ripped of the ground and there is no need to say a flat road IS aerodynamic.

If you would really want to pounder about domes think of futuristic domes that contain whole towns and/or cities that are high enough to make low based cloud systems around them.




posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Dumbass

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by salmonofknowledge
 


Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.


Yes, it does, it also matters what shape the structure is and whether there is an area where such a force can gain a hold. A flat wall is an obstacle which prevents the movement of force until it breaks, a smooth curved surface allows the force to flow over it.

Look at aerodynamics... building a traditional house in a tornado-prone area would be like trying to drive a truck sideways into the wind. You cannot expect anything good to happen with that kind of blunt surface facing such pressure.
Then compare that to driving a low and aerodynamic car forward into a wind, this is the optimum design to allow the force to flow OVER it.

Why are baseballs round and not cube? It's not because they look nicer, it's because they're aerodynamic and the force of air around them is not causing the level of friction it would on a flat surface.

I don't know why people are refuting this, it's very simple science and the kind of thing you should have all learned before you were 12.


To some agree you both are right. If we can build bunkers of concrete that can withstand a nucleair attack they would be able to withstand a tornado to but only with a firm construction attached to good foundations.

The problem with domes... well if you look at a sphere you cant take half a sphere as dome because the side that would touch the ground is in a 90 degree angle to the ground and so the assumed winds, the basis just works as a flat wall. So we can only use like 10% of a sphere. If we look at the space inside and the space we can actually use we need to use a lot more ground surface to get to a normal surface of dwellings we have today. It is not economical feasible now. The openings in the proposed domes like doors windows or other daylight systems is at this moment not possible to construct in a way it can withstand impacts of debri. All the openings should be automatically closed as air pressure can cause a lot of damage.

Besides this we dont actually know what the wind does at ground level in a strong tornado. Sure most of the time domes couod withstand our assumptions but even asphalt gets ripped of the ground and there is no need to say a flat road IS aerodynamic.

If you would really want to pounder about domes think of futuristic domes that contain whole towns and/or cities that are high enough to make low based cloud systems around them.


Wrong.

if they can build a car that stands up to and f3-f4 ( see mythbusters I believe for the test) then how can you say such things.

Streets are only lifted In a high f4-f5. And it wont pull up all the pavement. Streets are thin easily knocked loose ( by big trucks and the like.)

Foundations are usually the only thing left. Now if you build a home on that foundation that is done shaped even an f5 would have trouble knocking it loose.

I know because they are building these in Oklahoma right now. They look like multidome igloos.

They arnt doing this in the hopes it will stand up . They are doing it because it will.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by salmonofknowledge
 


Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.


Yes, it does, it also matters what shape the structure is and whether there is an area where such a force can gain a hold. A flat wall is an obstacle which prevents the movement of force until it breaks, a smooth curved surface allows the force to flow over it.

Look at aerodynamics... building a traditional house in a tornado-prone area would be like trying to drive a truck sideways into the wind. You cannot expect anything good to happen with that kind of blunt surface facing such pressure.
Then compare that to driving a low and aerodynamic car forward into a wind, this is the optimum design to allow the force to flow OVER it.

Why are baseballs round and not cube? It's not because they look nicer, it's because they're aerodynamic and the force of air around them is not causing the level of friction it would on a flat surface.

I don't know why people are refuting this, it's very simple science and the kind of thing you should have all learned before you were 12.
You're missing my point. I already stated that things like geodesic domes are far more resistant to wind. The thing is, though, with a tornado, if you are in its direct path, it doesnt matter what you are in. You are at its mercy.

Think about it like this. 200 mph winds are dangerous. But whats far more dangerous is the domino effect of such things. Tornadoes pick up debris from everything they pass and destroy. Do you think any amount of concrete will stop a car that is flung by a tornado at 200 mph? Or a 500lb block of concrete?

To say its only about the wind in naive.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by salmonofknowledge
 


Show me the concrete that can withstand 200 mph winds. If you are above ground, and in the path of a tornado, you are at its mercy. It doesnt matter what the building is made of.




Tornado Resistant Dome Buildings in Oklahoma


Enough said!

www.fox23.com...

www.domeofahome.com...

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As I said to the other poster, to claim this is just about the wind is naive, or dishonest.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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Now, look at the price compared to a normal house. Most people around here don't exactly have disposable income.

Also, it's not just wind you have to deal with, and F3-F5 tornado can relocate some pretty large and heavy structures. You're dome house may survive the wind, but will it survive a 2 ton automobile, or something heavier hitting it at 150 mph?



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Now, look at the price compared to a normal house. Most people around here don't exactly have disposable income.

Also, it's not just wind you have to deal with, and F3-F5 tornado can relocate some pretty large and heavy structures. You're dome house may survive the wind, but will it survive a 2 ton automobile, or something heavier hitting it at 150 mph?



I agree most don't have the income to afford a dome.

But

have you ever seen a car wrapped around a telephone pole? Sometime the pole breaks ,yes, but many times it doesn't.

Now why would you think a concrete dome wouldn't work? You know they use concrete walls to stop cars in tests.

Not only that but any hit to the dome wouldn't be a direct impact it would be deflected.

So even in a f5 throwing cars wpuldnt be a problem id think. And even a f5 won't throw a big truck very far.

Pick it up ,yes . Roll it over ,yes. Throw it a hundred feet,maybe.

but the danger from flying debris if from small objects , not big ones.

That straw is more dangerous in a nado than a car. ( unless you are in the car)



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Now, look at the price compared to a normal house. Most people around here don't exactly have disposable income.

Also, it's not just wind you have to deal with, and F3-F5 tornado can relocate some pretty large and heavy structures. You're dome house may survive the wind, but will it survive a 2 ton automobile, or something heavier hitting it at 150 mph?

What dave is saying is fact. I don't care what kind of structure you have nothing is safe in a tornado of this magnitude unless you are in a underground shelter. This tornado made minced meat out of every structure in it's direct path that includes concrete and brick and mortar structures, some faired a little better than others but not by much. Nothing was spared and the aftermath damage is really beyond comprehension when you see it first hand, it goes for miles. The logistics of building residential structures to withstand something like this is just not going to happen.

I grew up here and this is home, my roots here go back to my Grandmother settling here by wagon in 1889 and my Great Grandmother migrated here as a child on the Trail of Tears. Is it the safest place to live.......NO. I lived many places over the yrs but this is still home to me. I know this may seem foolish to some but that's the way it is for me and many others.

The pics below, I took today a few miles from the other pics I posted on page 17. The destruction you see in these pics goes for as far as you can see and farther, it's devastating beyond belief. For lack of better words this just really sucks.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by captaintyinknots






Pick it up ,yes . Roll it over ,yes. Throw it a hundred feet,maybe.

but the danger from flying debris if from small objects , not big ones.

That straw is more dangerous in a nado than a car. ( unless you are in the car)


Well there was no "maybe" about this one and there's plenty of danger from flying vehicles. They had vehicles embedded in some structures, the Hospital being one of them. I overheard a guy that had been looking for his trucks for hrs, wasn't anywhere close to where he parked.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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you realize you are wrong ?

Why do you think they make tornado shelters above ground and out of concrete if nothing can survive.

im an electrician in okc and I've wired hundreds of above ground shelters.

Now why do you think they do this if concrete shelters wont survive? Don't you think that's a big liability for a company to sell storm shelters than dont shelter you from storms?

Seems you have fallen pray to Mike Morgan and the rest of the tv hype. its ok happens a lot to people around hre especially if you are new.

agaii will repeat .in a tornado the danger of debris is not from a car or big things but by small objects . Like that bat or a brick or a straw.

this is not the wizard of oz . houses and cars dont just get sucked up and spin in the vortex.

Please people do some homework



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by Another_Nut
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agaii will repeat .in a tornado the danger of debris is not from a car or big things but by small objects . Like that bat or a brick or a straw.

this is not the wizard of oz . houses and cars dont just get sucked up and spin in the vortex.




They don't? You don't see flying semi trucks or trailers as dangerous?
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Another_Nut
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you realize you are wrong ?

Why do you think they make tornado shelters above ground and out of concrete if nothing can survive.

im an electrician in okc and I've wired hundreds of above ground shelters.

Now why do you think they do this if concrete shelters wont survive? Don't you think that's a big liability for a company to sell storm shelters than dont shelter you from storms?

Seems you have fallen pray to Mike Morgan and the rest of the tv hype. its ok happens a lot to people around hre especially if you are new.

agaii will repeat .in a tornado the danger of debris is not from a car or big things but by small objects . Like that bat or a brick or a straw.

this is not the wizard of oz . houses and cars dont just get sucked up and spin in the vortex.

Please people do some homework



Mtnshredder is not "just wrong". Sorry dude. The reason many many people are building above ground storm shelters....as I alluded to in an earlier post...is because of cost. They're much cheaper than a cellar. And I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that if you had a choice of where to be when an EF-5 is bearing down on you it'd be in an underground shelter. At least if you were honest with us that's what you would say. If you truly would pick the above ground shelter...well, I'll be nice and just say your own grandmamma would slap you up side your head.

Are above ground shelters better than nothing at all? Of course, but that's not what's being debated here. What is being debated is what's best. And nothing beats an underground shelter. How many of these above ground shelters that you've wired were re-enforced concrete and how many were the steel plate shelters I talked about earlier? I can answer that with out you; Most are steel plate. And to retort your claim about legal recourse on makers of above ground shelters; Show me ONE SINGLE maker that claims tornado PROOF. They all claim tornado RESISTANCE. Big difference.

Having said all that, when/if I ever build a new home I will probably put in an above ground shelter. The cost effectiveness cant be beat. And that, and that alone is why so many new homes are building them in. Not because they are the best or that they are guaranteed to withstand an EF-5, but because they are the best choice for the money



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut
reply to post by mtnshredder
 


you realize you are wrong ?

Why do you think they make tornado shelters above ground and out of concrete if nothing can survive.

im an electrician in okc and I've wired hundreds of above ground shelters.

Now why do you think they do this if concrete shelters wont survive? Don't you think that's a big liability for a company to sell storm shelters than dont shelter you from storms?

Seems you have fallen pray to Mike Morgan and the rest of the tv hype. its ok happens a lot to people around hre especially if you are new.

agaii will repeat .in a tornado the danger of debris is not from a car or big things but by small objects . Like that bat or a brick or a straw.

this is not the wizard of oz . houses and cars dont just get sucked up and spin in the vortex.

Please people do some homework



Mtnshredder is not "just wrong". Sorry dude. The reason many many people are building above ground storm shelters....as I alluded to in an earlier post...is because of cost. They're much cheaper than a cellar. And I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that if you had a choice of where to be when an EF-5 is bearing down on you it'd be in an underground shelter. At least if you were honest with us that's what you would say. If you truly would pick the above ground shelter...well, I'll be nice and just say your own grandmamma would slap you up side your head.

Are above ground shelters better than nothing at all? Of course, but that's not what's being debated here. What is being debated is what's best. And nothing beats an underground shelter. How many of these above ground shelters that you've wired were re-enforced concrete and how many were the steel plate shelters I talked about earlier? I can answer that with out you; Most are steel plate. And to retort your claim about legal recourse on makers of above ground shelters; Show me ONE SINGLE maker that claims tornado PROOF. They all claim tornado RESISTANCE. Big difference.

Having said all that, when/if I ever build a new home I will probably put in an above ground shelter. The cost effectiveness cant be beat. And that, and that alone is why so many new homes are building them in. Not because they are the best or that they are guaranteed to withstand an EF-5, but because they are the best choice for the money


Bs .

Below ground shelters are cheap. They can put one in your garage in less than a day

You might drown though once the house falls on you and the rain doesn't stop and you cant get out. Your deal though.

And In reference to the vid showing a semis and trailers...

They did exactly what i said they would do.

Were they moved ,yes . But not far . Just like i said.

Ps most new homes have below ground shelters in the garages. Because ots cheap and easy. Ican show you if you are ever in town. Above ground shelters I've only done in our more upscale neighborhoods (Nichols hills, galardia, oaktree, etc.)

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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut
reply to post by mtnshredder
 


you realize you are wrong ?

Why do you think they make tornado shelters above ground and out of concrete if nothing can survive.

im an electrician in okc and I've wired hundreds of above ground shelters.

Now why do you think they do this if concrete shelters wont survive? Don't you think that's a big liability for a company to sell storm shelters than dont shelter you from storms?

Seems you have fallen pray to Mike Morgan and the rest of the tv hype. its ok happens a lot to people around hre especially if you are new.

agaii will repeat .in a tornado the danger of debris is not from a car or big things but by small objects . Like that bat or a brick or a straw.

this is not the wizard of oz . houses and cars dont just get sucked up and spin in the vortex.

Please people do some homework



Mtnshredder is not "just wrong". Sorry dude. The reason many many people are building above ground storm shelters....as I alluded to in an earlier post...is because of cost. They're much cheaper than a cellar. And I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that if you had a choice of where to be when an EF-5 is bearing down on you it'd be in an underground shelter. At least if you were honest with us that's what you would say. If you truly would pick the above ground shelter...well, I'll be nice and just say your own grandmamma would slap you up side your head.

Are above ground shelters better than nothing at all? Of course, but that's not what's being debated here. What is being debated is what's best. And nothing beats an underground shelter. How many of these above ground shelters that you've wired were re-enforced concrete and how many were the steel plate shelters I talked about earlier? I can answer that with out you; Most are steel plate. And to retort your claim about legal recourse on makers of above ground shelters; Show me ONE SINGLE maker that claims tornado PROOF. They all claim tornado RESISTANCE. Big difference.

Having said all that, when/if I ever build a new home I will probably put in an above ground shelter. The cost effectiveness cant be beat. And that, and that alone is why so many new homes are building them in. Not because they are the best or that they are guaranteed to withstand an EF-5, but because they are the best choice for the money


Bs .

Below ground shelters are cheap. They can put one in your garage in less than a day

You might drown though once the house falls on you and the rain doesn't stop and you cant get out. Your deal though.

And In reference to the vid showing a semis and trailers...

They did exactly what i said they would do.

Were they moved ,yes . But not far . Just like i said.



Answer the question posed above. Be honest with us and tell us what you would chose....if I could turn back the clock and put you smack dab in the middle of the Moore tornado...what would YOU chose? The tiny garage shelters are cheap, and 1/10th the size of an above ground shelter or a "normal" sized cellar. Surely you can't actually believe that an above ground shelter is better...be honest with us.

Better yet, what would you chose for your loved ones?
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut
reply to post by mtnshredder
 


you realize you are wrong ?

Why do you think they make tornado shelters above ground and out of concrete if nothing can survive.

im an electrician in okc and I've wired hundreds of above ground shelters.

Now why do you think they do this if concrete shelters wont survive? Don't you think that's a big liability for a company to sell storm shelters than dont shelter you from storms?

Seems you have fallen pray to Mike Morgan and the rest of the tv hype. its ok happens a lot to people around hre especially if you are new.

agaii will repeat .in a tornado the danger of debris is not from a car or big things but by small objects . Like that bat or a brick or a straw.

this is not the wizard of oz . houses and cars dont just get sucked up and spin in the vortex.

Please people do some homework



Mtnshredder is not "just wrong". Sorry dude. The reason many many people are building above ground storm shelters....as I alluded to in an earlier post...is because of cost. They're much cheaper than a cellar. And I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that if you had a choice of where to be when an EF-5 is bearing down on you it'd be in an underground shelter. At least if you were honest with us that's what you would say. If you truly would pick the above ground shelter...well, I'll be nice and just say your own grandmamma would slap you up side your head.

Are above ground shelters better than nothing at all? Of course, but that's not what's being debated here. What is being debated is what's best. And nothing beats an underground shelter. How many of these above ground shelters that you've wired were re-enforced concrete and how many were the steel plate shelters I talked about earlier? I can answer that with out you; Most are steel plate. And to retort your claim about legal recourse on makers of above ground shelters; Show me ONE SINGLE maker that claims tornado PROOF. They all claim tornado RESISTANCE. Big difference.

Having said all that, when/if I ever build a new home I will probably put in an above ground shelter. The cost effectiveness cant be beat. And that, and that alone is why so many new homes are building them in. Not because they are the best or that they are guaranteed to withstand an EF-5, but because they are the best choice for the money


Bs .

Below ground shelters are cheap. They can put one in your garage in less than a day

You might drown though once the house falls on you and the rain doesn't stop and you cant get out. Your deal though.

And In reference to the vid showing a semis and trailers...

They did exactly what i said they would do.

Were they moved ,yes . But not far . Just like i said.



Answer the question posed above. Be honest with us and tell us what you would chose....if I could turn back the clock and put you smack dab in the middle of the Moore tornado...what would YOU chose? The tiny garage shelters are cheap, and 1/10th the size of an above ground shelter or a "normal" sized cellar. Surely you can't actually believe that an above ground shelter is better...be honest with us.


ive live in okc 95% of my 35 years and I've never sheltered in place . I always leave the path of the storm . Period

And I'd never use an underground. Period. The chances of you being traped go wwwaaayyy up.

I might use an aboveground in an emergency. But it would be a last ditch thing

Now if I could afford a dome out in Yukon , truthfully , I wouldn't worry

If you live here its not hard to tell between a regular tstorm and a supercell. And its not hard to see them coming passing or leaving . And its not hard to get out of the way.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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If if's and but's were candies and nuts. Tornado's NEVER happen at night, Oklahoman's are NEVER awakened at 2am by the storm siren. So yea, your right. Out run the tornado and all with be fine.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by EdSurly
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If if's and but's were candies and nuts. Tornado's NEVER happen at night, Oklahoman's are NEVER awakened at 2am by the storm siren. So yea, your right. Out run the tornado and all with be fine.



Yea ,ok.

First off tornados VERY RARLY happen at night.

They usually happen during the afternoon and early evening.

I've never been woken up to tornado sirens. Ever.

now I answered your question. And I've proven my points

Nothing I've stated has been refuted

if your ever in town drop a pm and ill show u personally .

Until then you have a tv broadcast and ( and i mean this ) the hype of the weathermen ( and this hype gets worse every year) and i have homes to rewire

eta where are my ifs and buts? I've told you exactly what I do.no ifs or buts
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly
reply to post by Another_Nut
 


If if's and but's were candies and nuts. Tornado's NEVER happen at night, Oklahoman's are NEVER awakened at 2am by the storm siren. So yea, your right. Out run the tornado and all with be fine.



Yea ,ok.

First off tornados VERY RARLY happen at night.

They usually happen during the afternoon and early evening.

I've never been woken up to tornado sirens. Ever.

now I answered your question. And I've proven my points

Nothing I've stated has been refuted

if your ever in town drop a pm and ill show u personally .

Until then you have a tv broadcast and ( and i mean this ) the hype of the weathermen ( and this hype gets worse every year) and i have homes to rewire

eta where are my ifs and buts? I've told you exactly what I do.no ifs or buts
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You never answered my original question...only dodged it. For the record I can't count the times I've been awaken by storm sirens. I remember going to the basement of the post office in my home town as a child in the middle of the night, after we moved to the other side of town on numerous occasions we walked across the street to our neighbors home to get in their cellar in the middle of the night....everyone in their night clothes. I've lived in this town for 10 years now and I've been awakened twice...once at 3am. The most dangerous tornado's are those that strike at night. And their not nearly as rare as you think. But you know all that, your one of those people that can never admit their wrong...for any reason. Prolly an OU fan too huh?


Just kidding with the OU crap
And I hope you can continue to run away and hopefully one never bears down on you at night. I truly do.



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by EdSurly

Originally posted by Another_Nut

Originally posted by EdSurly
reply to post by Another_Nut
 


If if's and but's were candies and nuts. Tornado's NEVER happen at night, Oklahoman's are NEVER awakened at 2am by the storm siren. So yea, your right. Out run the tornado and all with be fine.



Yea ,ok.

First off tornados VERY RARLY happen at night.

They usually happen during the afternoon and early evening.

I've never been woken up to tornado sirens. Ever.

now I answered your question. And I've proven my points

Nothing I've stated has been refuted

if your ever in town drop a pm and ill show u personally .

Until then you have a tv broadcast and ( and i mean this ) the hype of the weathermen ( and this hype gets worse every year) and i have homes to rewire

eta where are my ifs and buts? I've told you exactly what I do.no ifs or buts
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You never answered my original question...only dodged it. For the record I can't count the times I've been awaken by storm sirens. I remember going to the basement of the post office in my home town as a child in the middle of the night, after we moved to the other side of town on numerous occasions we walked across the street to our neighbors home to get in their cellar in the middle of the night....everyone in their night clothes. I've lived in this town for 10 years now and I've been awakened twice...once at 3am. The most dangerous tornado's are those that strike at night. And their not nearly as rare as you think. But you know all that, your one of those people that can never admit their wrong...for any reason. Prolly an OU fan too huh?


Just kidding with the OU crap
And I hope you can continue to run away and hopefully one never bears down on you at night. I truly do.


Ok after think a little I think I know why I've never heard a night siren. And now that I think on it . It seems obvious.

But first I want to call u out on your "ou fan thing" . Im a Oklahoma fan . OSU OU and Tulsa. Don't you wish your state had 3 schools xonsistanly in the top 25?

Ok back to storms.

supercells start in ok and Texas usually. And mostly during the afternoon hours and early evening ( may 3rd,may 5th,this week) that why we don't get night nados.

But by 10 or so the storms have moved ne and are still active but just not for us. Now I understand.

I also see why you worry about night nados and I don't.

We get the early start and you guys get the late nights

Sucks to be you ( I mean that I would hate getting up at night everytime a siren sounds. And im glad I dont have that prob in okc)

Your also right that kinda sidestepped where I would want my loved ones.

my kids use and underground shelter when with their mom. Im not a fan of it .

Man when put on the spot I really don't know.

I'd have to say above ground. I just can't stand the thought of being trapped under all the debris. With water rising and no escape.

I know that's not a situation that will arise everyday or even often.

But if the multimillion dollar homes in my city use abovegorund and the track homes use belowground I think im safe with the above



posted on May, 22 2013 @ 11:56 PM
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Thanks for (sort of) answering my question. I'm an Oklahoma fan too.....just not OU, unless their playing TU
I went to college at Oklahoma State, and since you said your age....I also know I've lived in this state longer than you (look at the location in peoples avatars) You can also see I'm SW of you. I've lived in SW Oklahoma my whole life (except for 5 years in Stillwater
) So believe me....we get tornadoes at night, one of the deadliest tornadoes to ever strike this state was at night; The town of Snyder was virtually wiped out. Your in OKC....when your worried about severe weather you look to see what's happening in Altus or Lawton. When were worried we look to see what's happening in Lubbock or Childress. You seem to be like alot of folks I've met from the City....your entire frame of reference seems to be OKC. Try to break that, there's a whole wide world out there.
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posted on May, 23 2013 @ 12:27 AM
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Thanks for (sort of) answering my question. I'm an Oklahoma fan too.....just not OU, unless their playing TU
I went to college at Oklahoma State, and since you said your age....I also know I've lived in this state longer than you (look at the location in peoples avatars) You can also see I'm SW of you. I've lived in SW Oklahoma my whole life (except for 5 years in Stillwater
) So believe me....we get tornadoes at night, one of the deadliest tornadoes to ever strike this state was at night; The town of Snyder was virtually wiped out. Your in OKC....when your worried about severe weather you look to see what's happening in Altus or Lawton. When were worried we look to see what's happening in Lubbock or Childress. You seem to be like alot of folks I've met from the City....your entire frame of reference seems to be OKC. Try to break that, there's a whole wide world out there.
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O you are so close


First ,again, nados at night are rareer and usually less destructive. The reason they are more deadly is because everyone is asleep

For your reading pleasure
www.nwas.org...

Now I've had long term visits to se ok (valiant/Idabel) and that scared the crap outta me. Won't be going back.

Spent much time in Tulsa because that's as close to okc as a lot of bands I like ( until recently with the casinos and the peak) would only play Tulsa.

Spent time at the dunes . Had my family reunions almost every year at greenleaf (gore/braggs) and our big reunion at ft Cobb.

My father is burried in Anadarko.

The other 5% of my life was traveling the states.

but your right i haven't spent a lot of time in the sw.

And i was right again when i said night nados were rare and most nados happen the afternoon/ early evening.

Now I guess my question to you is what would you want your loved ones?

A. Belowground storm shelter
B. Aboveground storm shelter
C. Concrete dome house

And remember you will be asleep when the nado comes.









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