Racism and the American Right

Originally posted by flobot
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Are conservatives racist by their nature? No. Not at all. People who are racist are certainly drawn to conservative principles because most of those people are either religious or southern but that only implies a correlation, not a cause. This paints an inaccurate and unfair view of conservatism as a whole.

I agree 100% with the first part of this. Conservative ideologies attract racists because they can be used to excuse/justify their intentions. This by no means that Conservative ideology is racist in itself or that every Conservative is racist.

However, I disagree a little with your last statement that it is an inaccurate and unfair view of conservatism. And the only reason I disagree with that is because of the replies you see in this thread. Conservatives would rather defend the racists that share an ideology with them instead of calling them out and condemning them. So they have created the reputation they have themselves by sheltering and not calling out the racists in their party and by championing their causes.

You will find the majority of racists are on the left, not the right. Using your logic I could easily say, two men go into McDonald's and eat a hamburger. One comes out and rapes and kills the woman that lives next door. The other is a teacher. Both are murderers because everyone who likes McDonald's is a murderer because McDonald's is a place for murderers. See how foolish that is.

Originally posted by Fromabove

Originally posted by flobot
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Are conservatives racist by their nature? No. Not at all. People who are racist are certainly drawn to conservative principles because most of those people are either religious or southern but that only implies a correlation, not a cause. This paints an inaccurate and unfair view of conservatism as a whole.

I agree 100% with the first part of this. Conservative ideologies attract racists because they can be used to excuse/justify their intentions. This by no means that Conservative ideology is racist in itself or that every Conservative is racist.

However, I disagree a little with your last statement that it is an inaccurate and unfair view of conservatism. And the only reason I disagree with that is because of the replies you see in this thread. Conservatives would rather defend the racists that share an ideology with them instead of calling them out and condemning them. So they have created the reputation they have themselves by sheltering and not calling out the racists in their party and by championing their causes.

You will find the majority of racists are on the left, not the right. Using your logic I could easily say, two men go into McDonald's and eat a hamburger. One comes out and rapes and kills the woman that lives next door. The other is a teacher. Both are murderers because everyone who likes McDonald's is a murderer because McDonald's is a place for murderers. See how foolish that is.

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I don't even...

What?! Are you saying that rapists and teachers who are conservative are being called racists because they are conservative? Because, if so, that's a really messed up way to say that. Also, that's what he and I were both saying, too. And how there is a correlation. We just didn't accuse them of raping their neighbors...

reply to post by Fromabove

You will find the majority of racists are on the left, not the right. Using your logic I could easily say, two men go into McDonald's and eat a hamburger. One comes out and rapes and kills the woman that lives next door. The other is a teacher. Both are murderers because everyone who likes McDonald's is a murderer because McDonald's is a place for murderers. See how foolish that is.

yes, that is foolish...but that isn't what I said at all.

Let me try with an analogy that actually is comparable. The Catholic church is guilty of harboring and protecting child molestors. It doesn't make all priests child molestors, but the history of the Church protecting and harboring child molestors may serve to further attract more child molestors. So when people generalize the Catholic Church and Catholic priests as child molestors, they only have themselves to blame.

Similarly, the American Rights continued defense and excusing of racists in it's midst will continue to attract more racists, it doesn't make all Conservatives racists...but their actions will continue to attract more and more racists. So when people generalize their entire group as "racists", they only have themselves to blame.


However, I'm curious about your claim that you will find the majority of racists on the Left...care to explain that?

Originally posted by Fromabove
You will find the majority of racists are on the left, not the right. Using your logic I could easily say, two men go into McDonald's and eat a hamburger. One comes out and rapes and kills the woman that lives next door. The other is a teacher. Both are murderers because everyone who likes McDonald's is a murderer because McDonald's is a place for murderers. See how foolish that is.

What? Your example is....what?

What does a hamburger have to do with anything; why even state that one ate one? Oh I sort of see. You are saying that because both patron a place and one of those patrons commit a crime, that all of them are criminals no?

I can see how this might equate to the labeling and compartmentalization of political ideologies (mind you, this happens on both ends; not just the left or the right). If A thinks this, and B believes in A, than B must be like A.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Fromabove

Originally posted by flobot
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Are conservatives racist by their nature? No. Not at all. People who are racist are certainly drawn to conservative principles because most of those people are either religious or southern but that only implies a correlation, not a cause. This paints an inaccurate and unfair view of conservatism as a whole.

I agree 100% with the first part of this. Conservative ideologies attract racists because they can be used to excuse/justify their intentions. This by no means that Conservative ideology is racist in itself or that every Conservative is racist.

However, I disagree a little with your last statement that it is an inaccurate and unfair view of conservatism. And the only reason I disagree with that is because of the replies you see in this thread. Conservatives would rather defend the racists that share an ideology with them instead of calling them out and condemning them. So they have created the reputation they have themselves by sheltering and not calling out the racists in their party and by championing their causes.

You will find the majority of racists are on the left, not the right. Using your logic I could easily say, two men go into McDonald's and eat a hamburger. One comes out and rapes and kills the woman that lives next door. The other is a teacher. Both are murderers because everyone who likes McDonald's is a murderer because McDonald's is a place for murderers. See how foolish that is.

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I don't even...

What?! Are you saying that rapists and teachers who are conservative are being called racists because they are conservative? Because, if so, that's a really messed up way to say that. Also, that's what he and I were both saying, too. And how there is a correlation. We just didn't accuse them of raping their neighbors...

The point is, most of what the lefties say is gibberish and non coherent. They smear and accuse all the day long, it's what gives them the appearance of being the defenders of the poor and downtrodden. But in reality they hurt people with their control schemes and taxation and socialist ideals. They play race against race and so on. They are the racists.

Originally posted by Fromabove
The point is, most of what the lefties say is gibberish and non coherent.

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Says the man who typed this:

You will find the majority of racists are on the left, not the right. Using your logic I could easily say, two men go into McDonald's and eat a hamburger. One comes out and rapes and kills the woman that lives next door. The other is a teacher. Both are murderers because everyone who likes McDonald's is a murderer because McDonald's is a place for murderers. See how foolish that is.

I'm actually still giggling over that post. I'm not making fun of you because I understand your analogy but... man, that's such a totally screwed up way to illustrate something.

reply to post by flobot

So history is wrong because neo96 on ATS says so? Please researche Southern Democrats and the Sothern Strategy.

Never said the history was wrong the part switching side is after all the party that is obsessed with race is still the Democratic party.

So much that they created the hypenated American moniker, and never shuts up about it.

ETA:

Senator Robert Byrd says everything.

If all the 'bad' people left to go to the right Byrd wouldn't exist, but he does.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by flobot

 

So history is wrong because neo96 on ATS says so? Please researche Southern Democrats and the Sothern Strategy.

Never said the history was wrong the part switching side is after all the party that is obsessed with race is still the Democratic party.

So much that they created the hypenated American moniker, and never shuts up about it.

I guess you can say "obsessed" if by obsessed you mean concerned and aware that there are still race related struggles in America.

I would more correctly say that those on the Left are "obsessed" with equality regardless of skin color, gender, and currently sexual orientation.

reply to post by flobot


SENATOR ROBERT BYRD

Democrat KKK grand wizard.

They did not switch sides they did not all go to the right they are as racist as they have ever been.

BILL CLINTON

Bill Clinton on Obama: 'A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags

www.weeklystandard.com...

BIDEN:

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden, in a private remark to an Indian-American man caught on C-SPAN, June, 2006 (

politicalhumor.about.com...

Democrat remark about sending Haley 'back where she came from'.

www.newsindia-times.com...

reply to post by neo96


I believe that is splitting hairs; though I do understand why you want to call it out.

Through this, no one cares about the initial article that spawned this debate. That the premise was tenuous and biased from the start.

There are, bigoted folks on both sides. There are even some that are truly racist; as per your example of Byrd.

Bigotry is one thing and we all have it; just like prejudice. Racism has been spotty, regardless of how the word has been thrown around.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by flobot

 

SENATOR ROBERT BYRD

Democrat KKK grand wizard.

They did not switch sides they did not all go to the right they are as racist as they have ever been.

BILL CLINTON

Bill Clinton on Obama: 'A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags

www.weeklystandard.com...

BIDEN:

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden, in a private remark to an Indian-American man caught on C-SPAN, June, 2006 (

politicalhumor.about.com...

Democrat remark about sending Haley 'back where she came from'.

www.newsindia-times.com...

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Yes, there are racists on all sides...no one has denied that. Byrd was a scumbag, I have no problem calling him out for being in the KKK. Clinton's statement isn't necessarily racists, he made no reference to race...more of a jab at Obama's inexperience than anything else. And Biden...well...Biden is Biden...trying to compliment someone and putting his foot in his mouth.

The fact remains that Conservative ideologies are more attractive towards racists than Liberal ideologies. That is what the article very nicely points out and lays it out pretty clearly.

And your only defense is to try to say "no, Democrats are racists".

reply to post by ownbestenemy

There are, bigoted folks on both sides. There are even some that are truly racist; as per your example of Byrd.

That was the point, but as clearly be seen as the response's in this thread 'racsim' only exists on one side- the right.

Which people who can think for themselves instead of regurgitating left wing propaganda already know.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Really? Are you seriously trying to push this line of bs?

You are SO far out there....and out of touch.
Stop listening to Beck and Fox News. Get a grip!!!
:shk:

No, sorry, you have a problem with history and so do all the other people here trying to push off racist Southern Democrats as being Republican and all that party switching nonsense. A couple Democrats did switch sides, that didn't mean the whole freakin party switched. It's an old ruse just like trying to pretend the "Progressive Party" didn't embrace racist eugenics, and today it's still the Party of Planned Parenthood. Barack's Stimulus plan gave money to SIECUS and Planned Parenthood to write the sexuality education lesson plans being pushed in Common Core. That's all Democrat/Progressive, as Republicans are coming out against the Common Core Standards.

Here's the history of the Progressive Party...deal with it

Many early progresssives advocated eugenics, or human engineering, to purge society's gene pool of undesirable traits. In Looking Backward, socialist author Edward Bellamy mused about “race purification,” a fantasy shared by many utopian novelists. Indiana's state government in 1907 became the first in the modern world to codify eugenic principles, and more than two dozen additional American states soon followed suit. These states did not dictate the coupling of ideal mates, which could be called “positive eugenics.” Rather, they advocated “negative eugenics” – i.e., the sterilization of those harboring undesirable genetic makeups, precisely as Bellamy had advocated.

Eugenics was wholly compatible with the progressive era's faith in science, the future, the regulatory potential of the state, and human perfectibility. The Rockefeller Foundation and the Carnegie Institution helped bankroll organizations that sought to advance eugenics. Among the more notable progressives to embrace the practice were the anarco-communist Emma Goldman, NAACP founder W.E.B. Dubois, author H.G. Wells, political scientist Harold Laski, socialist reformers Sidney and Beatrice Webb, biology instructor/atheist Edward Aveling, economist John Maynard Keynes, playwright George Bernard Shaw, World Wildlife Fund founder Julian Huxley, sex theorist Havelock Ellis, and Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger. Sanger, taking issue with the Church's view that eugenics was immoral because the souls of all people were equally valuable in the eyes of God, said:

www.discoverthenetworks.org...

www.nwhm.org...

‘"Civil rights’ doesn’t mean anything without a right to life!" declared Hunter. He and the other marchers were protesting the disproportionately high number of abortions in the black community. The high number is no accident. Many Americans–black and white–are unaware of Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger’s Negro Project. Sanger created this program in 1939, after the organization changed its name from the American Birth Control League (ABCL) to the Birth Control Federation of America (BCFA).

www.blackgenocide.org...

That is the history of your Progressive Party. They were and still are Democrats.

reply to post by flobot


Is that right?

Really?

Affirmative action and lowering test score criteria is also racists, but that came from the current democratic party that some people say 'switched sides'.

Which says they don't really care people get an education or learn anything, the only thing they want is their 'cotton crop' of votes.

Originally posted by flobot
The fact remains that Conservative ideologies are more attractive towards racists than Liberal ideologies. That is what the article very nicely points out and lays it out pretty clearly.

What fact are you pointing to? This is what has me a bit confused about your otherwise, thoughtful posts.

Considering "conservative" was only alluded to in the article, I can only assume that you equated "right" with conservative in your assertions.

Given that, can you tell me what facts point out that the "conservative" ideology" is more "attractive" for "racists"?

ETA:

Also, what in the article "clearly" points out these indications.

Originally posted by Metallicus

Originally posted by muse7
The parties switched sides about 40 years ago.

I bet if you ask a nazi skinhead which party he's most likely to vote for, I'm 99.9% certain that he would vote for a Republican that favors "states rights" over a democrat.

Actually Nazis are socialists just like Obama and democrats. Nazis are also fascists that favor a strong, centralized government and would never support states rights. Of course being a Obama supporter I imagine it is easy to ignore facts and not allow them to get in the way of your partisan politics.

Don't forget as well that Nazis supported the infusion of government and big business, confiscation of all personal weapons, exclusion of anyone that didn't think exactly like them and accept their politics and beliefs as the one true party, etc, etc, etc....

Anything sound familiar?

Originally posted by mandella1099

Originally posted by Metallicus

Originally posted by muse7
The parties switched sides about 40 years ago.

I bet if you ask a nazi skinhead which party he's most likely to vote for, I'm 99.9% certain that he would vote for a Republican that favors "states rights" over a democrat.

Actually Nazis are socialists just like Obama and democrats. Nazis are also fascists that favor a strong, centralized government and would never support states rights. Of course being a Obama supporter I imagine it is easy to ignore facts and not allow them to get in the way of your partisan politics.

Don't forget as well that Nazis supported the infusion of government and big business, confiscation of all personal weapons, exclusion of anyone that didn't think exactly like them and accept their politics and beliefs as the one true party, etc, etc, etc....

Anything sound familiar?

The US imposed that upon Germany as a result of the first world war. That was us, not Hitler.

reply to post by ownbestenemy

Given that, can you tell me what facts point out that the "conservative" ideology" is more "attractive" for "racists"?

Prolly the fact that 'We righties' see people as individuals instead of 'oppressed minorities' that are not oppressed or minorities, and haven't been in a long time.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by mandella1099

Originally posted by Metallicus

Originally posted by muse7
The parties switched sides about 40 years ago.

I bet if you ask a nazi skinhead which party he's most likely to vote for, I'm 99.9% certain that he would vote for a Republican that favors "states rights" over a democrat.

Actually Nazis are socialists just like Obama and democrats. Nazis are also fascists that favor a strong, centralized government and would never support states rights. Of course being a Obama supporter I imagine it is easy to ignore facts and not allow them to get in the way of your partisan politics.

Don't forget as well that Nazis supported the infusion of government and big business, confiscation of all personal weapons, exclusion of anyone that didn't think exactly like them and accept their politics and beliefs as the one true party, etc, etc, etc....

Anything sound familiar?

The US imposed that upon Germany as a result of the first world war. That was us, not Hitler.

Although your argument is wrong, I will take the bait. So if the US imposed this upon the Germans, and these elements are associated with the Nazis, does it make the actions by the Nazis any less wrong (A simple yes or no will do, please)?

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Robonakka

 

You seem to have fallen into that same trap I was alluding to earlier. You seem to think that we are all created equal. It is obvious we are not. It is true that not all blacks are uncivilized. Some are good, decent people. But even the good ones are mentally slow and quick to be offended over trivial matters. You must open your eyes to what happens when you treat them as equals. Look at Detroit. Look at any inner city. Look at Africa. Put away your excuses and see what they do when given power and a chance. If that is not something you're willing to embrace then do away with your silly notions of equality.

It is like fruit in a sewer. Sure, the fruit is still edible, but do you want to save it or just go ahead and flush the sewage away? You see the apples and oranges and think it is a fruit salad. I see it is just sewage to be flushed away. The fruit is the good people. The fecal matter is the gang banging thugs. You mix them and what do you have? Fruit salad or more sewage?

We have tried for over 150 years to assimilate them and have gotten 40,000 rapes a year, 80,000 murders, and uncounted robberies and assaults. And you still think there is something to save? And you think conservatives are so stupid as to not see what is going on? It is not racist to understand that not all are equal, playing fair is not always a good thing, and that some people will never act contrary to their nature and expecting them to is stupid. It is realist. Conservatives are realists who see the truth and do not lie about it in order to save people's feelings. At least most of them are. Probably not you.

Wow - quoted for posterity

You really bring the OP to life - good you showed up

How many here will claim you - and how many will call you on your crap?

I quoted this in hopes of keeping alive the post from Robonakka, it has been deleted by staff.

I can't believe this thread is still an issue when we have the PROOF (or rather had) here in writing!

Look at what this CONSERVATIVE had the courage to speak. I say courage because those who really know of the conservative movement KNOW this is it's root. Others, I will give the pass of merely blindly following without being aware.