Racism and the American Right

reply to post by SLAYER69


A weak attempt to rewrite history.

I find it about as effective as a Jedi mind-wave with the mutterings of "These are not the racists you've been looking for."

Just look at how progressives define themselves versus conservative folks.

Conservatives focus on the individual. Personal responsibility, individualism. . etc.

Progressives can't get past skin colour. To them it's all about groups, and classifications, and categories.

##SNIPPED## can write all the lofty essays they want, they can try to rewrite history all day long, but in the end, their actions will define them as the true racists.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

A weak attempt to rewrite history.

I find it about as effective as a Jedi mind-wave with the mutterings of "These are not the racists you've been looking for."

Just look at how progressives define themselves versus conservative folks.

Conservatives focus on the individual. Personal responsibility, individualism. . etc.

Progressives can't get past skin colour. To them it's all about groups, and classifications, and categories.

Progtards can write all the lofty essays they want, they can try to rewrite history all day long, but in the end, their actions will define them as the true racists.

"progtards"

Looks like conservatives can't even get past name calling!

reply to post by muse7


A few years ago I wrote an op-ed piece on Obama. I was called racist by the [snipped]

When they found out I wasn't white, I was called Uncle Tom, house #######, etc.

They started the name calling without ONCE debating the issues.

Weak sauce.

Originally posted by beezzer

A few years ago I wrote an op-ed piece on Obama. I was called racist by the progtards.
When they found out I wasn't white, I was called Uncle Tom, house #######, etc.
They started the name calling without ONCE debating the issues.

So, they started without debating the issues?

Funny, your Posts have nothing to do with the OP .

Name calling you say?

Beez , where did you did up the name "Progtards" your using in your Posts?

reply to post by Tw0Sides


I'm illustrating the base-racism that exists within the progressive movement.

If the term "progtard" offends, I will refrain from using it in future debates.

But it will not change the way the progressive movement uses race and race-baiting to get what it wants.

They accuse conservatives of the thing they are guilty of. That, I find singularly, disgusting.

Originally posted by charles1952
was it slavery that was key, or was it the idea that the federal government shouldn't be too powerful?

The former was the flash point that got the latter issue burning, and to this day we still do things in this fashion. You mentioned Roe vs. Wade.......another good example. After hundreds of years of debating issues the American people still can't decide whether certain issues should be controlled by state governance or federal. You would think that after 300+ years we would have gotten that straightened out by now, but that obviously isn't the case. Issues are still brought before the Supreme Court all the time basically asking "Who's in charge here?"

People complain all the time about how politicians behave like lawyers. How all they want to do is debate issues and not solve them. The average American isn't much better. Our leaders are training us well.

Welcome back Slayer.

Originally posted by muse7
Many Republicans use "states rights" as a code word for supporting a state's racism. It's well documented.

If it's 'well documented' ... show us the MANY times this allegedly happens.
Thanks.

From the OPs article -

Racism has been a consistent thread weaving through the American Right from the early days when Anti-Federalists battled against the U.S. Constitution to the present when hysterical Tea Partiers denounce the first African-American president

1 - It was not a consistent thread weaving through the early years on the right. Just the opposite.

2 - Tea Partiers are not 'hysterical'. The author has them confused with the Occupy Wall Streeters. Now THAT is a bunch of hysterical people!

3 - Tea Partiers didn't 'denounce the first African-American president' because he's black. They did so because of his extreme spending habits and poor financial skills. It had nothing to do with skin color.

The Tea Party folks love Allen West (black) ... and here are 38 (black) Tea Party members who are running against Obama and his minions. Etc etc etc Plenty more black tea party member stories out there ...

Side note ... as for the name calling ...
I suggest everyone read this EXCELLENT article

Black Tea Party Activists Called 'Traitors' (and more)

They've been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement — and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation's first black president.

"I've been told I hate myself. I've been called an Uncle Tom. I've been told I'm a spook at the door," said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government.

"Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks," he said

Funny how liberals always have to make it about race. Your leader sucks. Not because he is black but because he is un-American. Does it hurt you to know that even your own people are turning on him? Well it shouldn't, because if you had a patriotic bone in your body you would realize that he sucks. also he is un-American (notice I didn't say non American.) How much of the constitution does he get to shred before you realize that ? He has already attacked The right to bare arms, freedom of the press, and the freedom of religion (unless you are Muslim of course). But if you are good with that then have at it. I for one am not.

reply to post by Diisenchanted


You need to define "un-American". As far as I can tell there has always been at least two arguments going back even before the "Anti-Federalist/Federalist Papers" and all the founders on both sides of Federal Powers argument were ALL American.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Racism is born out of ignorance, fear, victimization and hatred. There is no lack of those qualities on either "side" of the political aisle. It doesn't matter if the politics of racists lean to the left or right. Pieces like the one in the OP do nothing to help the situation, but instead, they cram the wedge a little further between the two. That's ALL it does. It doesn't educate or explain or help to understand the problem.

reply to post by SLAYER69



Of course, as with all politics from any angle; left, right, up, down, etc. there must be a lumping... a stereotyping where anyone who disagrees with the preferred political model, is slapped down and tossed under the street sweeper. Never mind that this group encompasses millions of complete strangers.

Indoctrination at this level requires that one identify their enemies in a mass, rather than individually.

As I have noted before... stereotyping at most any level; for most any reason requires the same mindset as racism and bigotry. In sum, you have to take all these people you don't know (and likely never will) and judge them based on the worst things imaginable and then spread it over that mass like butter on bread.

Example:
One black man commits a crime so all black people are criminals.
One person of a particular party says something you don't like so anyone who doesn't buy into the preferred agenda is the same.

It's really a shame we haven't outgrown this.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Racism and the American Right

Racism and the American Right
May 19, 2013

Exclusive: From the start of the Republic to today’s Republican ranting against Barack Obama, racism has been a central element of the American Right. But this ugly feature of U.S. history has often come concealed behind words praising traditions, liberty and states’ rights, Robert Parry reports.

By Robert Parry

Racism has been a consistent thread weaving through the American Right from the early days when Anti-Federalists battled against the U.S. Constitution to the present when hysterical Tea Partiers denounce the first African-American president. Other factors have come and gone for the Right, but racism has always been there.

Though definitions of Right and Left are never precise, the Left has generally been defined, in the American context, by government actions – mostly the federal government responding to popular movements and representing the collective will of the American people – seeking to improve the lot of common citizens and to reduce social injustice.

President Thomas Jefferson in a portrait by Rembrandt Peale.

The Right has been defined by opposition to such government activism. Since the Founding, the Right has decried government interference with the “free market” and intrusion upon “traditions,” like slavery and segregation, as “tyranny” or “socialism.”

I haven't posted a thread in a while. So, here we go.

I found this to be a rather interesting read and thought it would make a worth while topic for our members to discus, giving us their thoughts and opinions.

This should make for an interesting thread...

edit on 20-5-2013 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

It gets real annoying when people misquote history to make a point. What they don't understand is that slavery was a leagal trade, and segregation was not the evil it is today. Slavery goes back as fat as human history is told, so it is not a right wing inspired mindset. To the contrary, it was a REPUBLICAN president that freed the black man in America, and that cost him his life. It was the left, namely, the DEMOCRAT party that resisted racial freedoms and reforms in the sixties. A lot of lefties were members of the KKK such as Senator Bird. Who was the Grand Imperial Wizard no less.

The left has in it's ideology the prime example of their theology, namely, Berak Obommer who is a socialist oppressive dictator who rules by intimidation and careless disregard for the Constitution and protected rights. He is racist as are most lefties who love to slam the right for what they themselves do and are. Look at organizations like the 99% who pee on cops, rape women, and sell drugs under the guise of some protest they have no idea of what it's all about. I give you abortion, one of the lefts prime holy cows, a sacred institution of death held up like some cherished emblem of pride. yet it's abhorrent to the right, the true believers in personal freedom and of life. To them, abortionists are murderers not unlike those of Nazi Germany who killed Jews because they were Jews, so too they kill babies because they are babies and defenseless.

Don't push the lie that somehow left wing people are some how more virtuous and noble than the right. Go turn on the Tv and see what you left wing party of democrat socialists are doing to people who may even be your neighbor next door.

It has never been about the color of Berack's skin. The right could care less about what skin color he has. It's about not being qualified. It's about being a socialist wanna be Chavez style dictator. It's about the abuse of power, intimidation, and failure to defend allies and for humiliating the American honor by bowing to foreign leaders and apologizing for being American. It's about reverse racism and discrimination. It's about reckless disregard for laws made by elected representatives in congress.

What you need to do (but you won't) is go back and re-study history. Misquoting people from history who were making the point about freedom of commerce and trade and not merely slavery is not going to cut the mustard. What was happening there was that the Federalists stole power from the states and put it into the central government. That was what it was about. Read up a little on "federalism" and those who opposed it before you go bashing the right. I could go on and on and on, but I'll leave you with that.

reply to post by Robonakka


I know quite a few black civilized people and I am a conservative. The conservative cares nothing for the difference of a man's skin color but more about what is in his heart. He say's, is this an honest man or will he, by use of his craftiness, try to abuse my freedoms and personal integrity. The conservative wants everyone to prosper so that he too can prosper because poor people don't buy and sell anything and burden the nation by their fallen state of poverty. Instead they want people inventing, working, and being all they can be so that all of us befit from the best the nation has to offer.

To say that black people aren't civilized to to smear what it is to be a conservative. Black people are just that, people, and to be respected as I even wish to be respected as a white man by those who are black and not be judged by the sins of other white people who oppressed them. It's the same for the Asian, the American-Indian, and the Latino. For me, I both respect their heritage and history which as my own has much to offer.

If I see a black man, I don't lie to myself as a liberal democrat does and pretend he's really white. I don't say, oh he needs food stamps and a ride to the polling station on election day in exchange for welfare. When see a black man, he is a black man and I feel no need to self shame myself because he is black. I'm white, so what. In fact, I have judgments on him until he begins to open his mouth to reveal his heart, and once I have heard him I decide what kind of person he is to me. I know he is doing the same to me.

But, don't say conservatives know a black man cannot be civilized, because we are all human and we all have the same in us to be good or bad. Only liberal democrats look at skin color and special interest groups to exploit for power. And they will never let them prosper too much lest they lose them on election day.

reply to post by SLAYER69


The most interesting part of this article comes after - in the comments section

There was another thread here recently working the same angle - from a different angle. Funny - not many showed up there to shore up the OPs claims. Maybe it's more comfortable for them to make their points from this side

So Slayer - where do you stand on your own OP?

Or, did you just stop by to rouse the rabble?

:-)

reply to post by Robonakka

You seem to have fallen into that same trap I was alluding to earlier. You seem to think that we are all created equal. It is obvious we are not. It is true that not all blacks are uncivilized. Some are good, decent people. But even the good ones are mentally slow and quick to be offended over trivial matters. You must open your eyes to what happens when you treat them as equals. Look at Detroit. Look at any inner city. Look at Africa. Put away your excuses and see what they do when given power and a chance. If that is not something you're willing to embrace then do away with your silly notions of equality.

It is like fruit in a sewer. Sure, the fruit is still edible, but do you want to save it or just go ahead and flush the sewage away? You see the apples and oranges and think it is a fruit salad. I see it is just sewage to be flushed away. The fruit is the good people. The fecal matter is the gang banging thugs. You mix them and what do you have? Fruit salad or more sewage?

We have tried for over 150 years to assimilate them and have gotten 40,000 rapes a year, 80,000 murders, and uncounted robberies and assaults. And you still think there is something to save? And you think conservatives are so stupid as to not see what is going on? It is not racist to understand that not all are equal, playing fair is not always a good thing, and that some people will never act contrary to their nature and expecting them to is stupid. It is realist. Conservatives are realists who see the truth and do not lie about it in order to save people's feelings. At least most of them are. Probably not you.

Wow - quoted for posterity

You really bring the OP to life - good you showed up

How many here will claim you - and how many will call you on your crap?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Racism is born out of ignorance, fear, victimization and hatred. There is no lack of those qualities on either "side" of the political aisle. It doesn't matter if the politics of racists lean to the left or right. Pieces like the one in the OP do nothing to help the situation, but instead, they cram the wedge a little further between the two. That's ALL it does. It doesn't educate or explain or help to understand the problem.

And there it is...the concept we all should take note of, because Benevolent nailed it on the head right there. All of us should remember that, right/left, or none of the above. Well done! Star even with the slow refresh time on my slow ass mobile network.

Democracies are dangerous, and when a majority of American VOTERS are of a morally-abhorrent concensus, the Democrats will be in power, as they are always quickest to push the adgenda of 'The People'. So that when the majority of American voters were in support of slavery, and all that it entails; the Democrats/Liberals were the 'racists'. At that time in American history, the majority of male, land-holding citizens were racist. Period. They are Progressive...leaning towards tomorrow, whatever that may be.

Republicans are more the about the interests of the Elite Finance Cult of Personality...owners of business ventures that deal with state's rights as part of their interstate trade...Mining, Railroads, Construction... these trades thrived upon the backs of Africans, Chinese, and other immigrants, and were more concerned with Abolishionist thinking...It's cheaper to buy the skilled labor of a free man than to buy, own, feed, and clothe a non-skilled, resistant piece of livestock. So the slaves became free, to Conserve the status quo, for those with something to actually lose.

In the modern way of thinking, racism is bad. A majority of American Voters are anti-racism, and so the Democratic party seeks to progress in that direction. The Republican party seeks to Conserve the way things were when the Elite Financial Cult of Personality ruled unfettered. A better, simpler time when you could have a lawn jockey proudly displayed...mean, I know, but true. The white American populace makes up a majority of the Republican Party ----> SOURCE. The source shows that in recent years, the Republican Party's ranks have swelled in two areas particularly: Older white people and low-income, uneducated white people.

I.M.O.: These two demographics have the highest percentage of white racists that exist in the US.

All politicians have the same smelly, (expletive deleted)-stained arm up their backsides, anyway. And they all make an equally loud sucking noise. Muppet Vampires...



S & F for an excellent, fiery discussion topic!!!