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6 Reasons Why Obama’s Popularity Is Likely to Plummet; The politics of hope & the politics of nope

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posted on May, 25 2013 @ 02:57 PM
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Yeah, it's the uber-wealthy who are making (buying) the laws....




posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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The 1% are indeed the problem and some of those 1% are also federal reserve stockholders and full time bilderbergers. If you want to get technical and silly should it be the .0001% to make you feel happy? The really rich support the uber rich.

If you keep throwing around the stupid OWS buzz words you won't be taken seriously.

The problem is our government which sold out. Stop saying "1%" and go after the people who make laws that benefit the uber-wealthy.


BS! Some times cliche words and phrases describle the problem perfectly. I am sorry if you are the minority and it hurts you. Who pays for the campaign contributions? Poor people can't afford to. Big business does and rich people. Hence we get the same recycled trash over and over again. Its not rocket science either....



I suggest you watch the video because it is very informative!



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:02 PM
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And romney would have done the same stuff guaranteed. The republicans sabotaged the ron paul campagin and stole the republican nomination. Then obama and romney was a no brainer. Its like voting between satan and beezlebug, beezlebug being the lesser of two evils, but barely.


Who cares?? I didn't say Romney would do better. You just proved my point. The problem is in DC!! Obama wasn't a rich guy before becoming POTUS. How come all these politicians become millionaires? DC is the epicenter for all of this country's problem. If people don't stop perpetuating the false "1%" crap and focus on the root cause (corruption in Washington) then nothing will ever change.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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Yeah, it's the uber-wealthy who are making (buying) the laws....


Ethical people can't be bought.

Think about that.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Which is exactly what I'm talking about -
did you see my post regarding Plato's statement that only "philosophers" should be leaders?

If people don't stop perpetuating the false "1%" crap and focus on the root cause (corruption in Washington) then nothing will ever change

What is "false 1% crap", please?

I'll come back later for your reply.
Have a pleasant afternoon, seabag. I really gotta get off of here for now.
*slaps own hand* [BAD wildtimes!]


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posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by wildtimes
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Yeah, it's the uber-wealthy who are making (buying) the laws....


Ethical people can't be bought.

Think about that.


If they can't be bought then they migh suffer "an accident". "Accidents" seem common the last few months!

I value the USA constitution because our forefathers were smart people who fought off the british and won. Slowely but surely the industrialists(many which came from europe) and the bankers eroded our constitution to the point it has become meaningless.

Money does buy influence especially when it is pefectly legal to do so. The first amendment has been bastardised to include financial contributions. It is the reason why democrats and republicans have a monopoly in washington. Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionalists don't get any contributions and thus combined all the small parties get about 1% of the total vote.

You really don't see a conspiracy here?



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:35 PM
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What is "false 1% crap", please?

Demonizing people with money is akin to blaming the wolf for going after sheep. We all know wolves attack! The answer is not to kill all the wolves because other predators will take their place. The answer is to reign in your sheep.

Obviously wealthy, powerful people are going to try to control Washington (laws and tax dollars). If you sent them all to jail it wouldn't take long before new people filled that void and we'd be right back in the same situation. You have to change the climate in DC so the wolves can't attack! If you take away the food source (our weak arse politicians) then the wolves will have to look elsewhere for food.

This isn't rocket science. It is apparently (un)common sense though.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Class warfare/class envy is a distraction while they continue their crony capitalism.


Good Point, all part of the divide and conquer, but at least there are less and less people falling for it



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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why Obama isn't going to get anything done?....because the house republicans are in scandal and impeachment mode. they will be there for the rest of Obama's term,. we will have crisis, investigations, probes, and calls for impeachment for the next 4 years, so get used to getting nothing done.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Who cares?? I didn't say Romney would do better. You just proved my point. The problem is in DC!! Obama wasn't a rich guy before becoming POTUS. How come all these politicians become millionaires? DC is the epicenter for all of this country's problem. If people don't stop perpetuating the false "1%" crap and focus on the root cause (corruption in Washington) then nothing will ever change.


There is still something you are not getting through your head Seabag.

Who is making these problems we have in DC?
The people that have no say nor money $$$ in the political process, or the people that do?
Who is it going in the revolving door between Wall Street Banks and Multinational Corporations and the Government?

Joe Six Pack from small business America or the Large CEO's and Heads of Banks?
The problem is right in front of your face but you refuse to admit it.


There is no separation of politicians and the Heads of these large institutions when they exist in the same circle jerk.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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Who stands to gain from the divide and conquer, rich and poor war that they are putting on?

The ones in power do, because they are making it like everyone is envious of the rich and want their money, when it has nothing to do with that but everything to do with getting the corporations and banks out of the government so that every one can have a piece of the pie via open market capitalism.

Why should anyone even bother and open up a business when these same criminals have created regulations to kill off competition, or get rid of regulations when it suits them.

The small business employs the most of Americans in this country, not the jackals from Wall Street and Large Corporations that are embedded in the government.

These same entities are accusing those speaking out as being commies, when the corporations and banks that need the government to serve them are the biggest commies at all.

Why would anyone open a business and innovate if the big boys have the government catering to them ?

Thats what happens in Communism, every is poor except those connected to the government.
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posted on May, 25 2013 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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What is "false 1% crap", please?

Demonizing people with money is akin to blaming the wolf for going after sheep. We all know wolves attack! The answer is not to kill all the wolves because other predators will take their place. The answer is to reign in your sheep.

Obviously wealthy, powerful people are going to try to control Washington (laws and tax dollars). If you sent them all to jail it wouldn't take long before new people filled that void and we'd be right back in the same situation. You have to change the climate in DC so the wolves can't attack! If you take away the food source (our weak arse politicians) then the wolves will have to look elsewhere for food.

This isn't rocket science. It is apparently (un)common sense though.


Well socialism isn't the best or only answer, that much is certain. Capitalism can work with progressive laws and enforcement. The idea is not to go after all the "wolves" rather those that commit criminal acts such as insider trading, racketeering, extortion, usury, money laundering, etc. If you break the law then you should be punished. We don't necessarily need more laws, we just need better enforcement. Some laws can be reduced/stripped, some adjusted and a few new ones added. I am not in the criminal justice system so I can't be as specific as I would like.

Some people do make an honest living and see great riches in the process but it is normally after a few generations that they get really big and somewhere along the way they make the big boys club and turn nasty. They become control freaks that want to control population growth, weather, start wars, spread diseases, etc.

Generally speaking I have lots of respect for the milionares and small to medium sized business. I have lots of antipathy for the multinational corps engaging in imperialism of the financial sort.
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posted on May, 25 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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There is still something you are not getting through your head Seabag.

Who is making these problems we have in DC?
The people that have no say nor money $$$ in the political process, or the people that do?
Who is it going in the revolving door between Wall Street Banks and Multinational Corporations and the Government


The thing you're not getting through your head is 'who is responsible for watching the door'?

If an inmate escapes from prison do you blame the inmate or the guard who unlocked the door for him? If you don't fix the guard problem and instead keep going after the inmates then it will never end. Congress and the POTUS are supposed to be watching our door, not opening it for criminals.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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There is still something you are not getting through your head Seabag.

Who is making these problems we have in DC?
The people that have no say nor money $$$ in the political process, or the people that do?
Who is it going in the revolving door between Wall Street Banks and Multinational Corporations and the Government


The thing you're not getting through your head is 'who is responsible for watching the door'?

If an inmate escapes from prison do you blame the inmate or the guard who unlocked the door for him? If you don't fix the guard problem and instead keep going after the inmates then it will never end. Congress and the POTUS are supposed to be watching our door, not opening it for criminals.


You are making a circular arguement though. Blame rich----blame government. blame rich---blame government

government works for the rich because both D and R represent them. they don't represent the average person. THAT is the problem.

Solution is search for a different party OR do good research in the primaries. Rand Paul seems honest from GOP and Dennis Kucinich seems honest from the democrats. I personally will never vote for either big party because neither represents my beliefs.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by seabag


If an inmate escapes from prison do you blame the inmate or the guard who unlocked the door for him? If you don't fix the guard problem and instead keep going after the inmates then it will never end. Congress and the POTUS are supposed to be watching our door, not opening it for criminals.


That analogy doesn't work because there is no separation between the criminals and those watching the door. False dichotomy and contrived logic.

My analogy...

You can't tell who's playing without a program and the spectators can't afford the cost of the programs and the rules of the game don't include those watching the show; It's a race with monkeys riding bull dogs.
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posted on May, 25 2013 @ 05:05 PM
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government works for the rich because both D and R represent them. they don't represent the average person. THAT is the problem.


I agree that's the problem. The part we disagree on apparently is who to blame and how to fix it. You chose to cry about 1% and I'm saying the problem is corrupt politicians.

Who has the power to fix this problem we face? Corporations or Congress?

I chose not to blame the fat cats because its wasted energy.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 05:10 PM
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That analogy doesn't work because there is no separation between the criminals and those watching the door. False dichotomy and contrived logic.

My analogy works fine, thanks.




My analogy...

You can't tell who's playing without a program and the spectators can't afford the cost of the programs and the rules of the game don't include those watching the show; It's a race with monkeys riding bull dogs.

So we're doomed according to you. Sorry, I'm not a quitter.

Who takes an oath to work for us? Those who take that oath and fail us must go. Problem solved. Now we just have to figure out how to make that happen.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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government works for the rich because both D and R represent them. they don't represent the average person. THAT is the problem.


I agree that's the problem. The part we disagree on apparently is who to blame and how to fix it. You chose to cry about 1% and I'm saying the problem is corrupt politicians.

Who has the power to fix this problem we face? Corporations or Congress?

I chose not to blame the fat cats because its wasted energy.


Did the chicken come before the egg or the egg before the chicken


People pick the wrong candidates and then whine like children.



posted on May, 25 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by seabag




My analogy...

You can't tell who's playing without a program and the spectators can't afford the cost of the programs and the rules of the game don't include those watching the show; It's a race with monkeys riding bull dogs.

So we're doomed according to you. Sorry, I'm not a quitter.

Who takes an oath to work for us? Those who take that oath and fail us must go. Problem solved. Now we just have to figure out how to make that happen.


Sorry, Wrong conclusion!! I didn't say we're doomed and if I was a quitter I wouldn't be here looking for solutions, same as you; But I'm not a pie in the sky idealist either looking for simple solutions. It's complex with alliances and deals with no clear cut good guys and bad guys. Wealth isn't bad, but greed.... It's deeper than politics with so many of the big dogs in Skull and Bones, "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore"

www.businessinsider.com...

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posted on May, 25 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by seabag
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government works for the rich because both D and R represent them. they don't represent the average person. THAT is the problem.


I agree that's the problem. The part we disagree on apparently is who to blame and how to fix it. You chose to cry about 1% and I'm saying the problem is corrupt politicians.

Who has the power to fix this problem we face? Corporations or Congress?

I chose not to blame the fat cats because its wasted energy.


Did the chicken come before the egg or the egg before the chicken


People pick the wrong candidates and then whine like children.


You missed my question.

Who has the power to fix this problem we face? Corporations or Congress?

Shouldn't we go after the one who can do something?



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