Multiple Phenomena on Rocky Mountain Ranch

Interesting part of the story I found in the first pdf. (actual page 6 although it says page 8 on the top of the page)

I've paraphrased it below to get to the point.

...after hearing a noise some visitors saw a "huge dark object" push its way through the barbed wire fence and come straight at them down the hill…They ran back to the ranch house…then traced the root and found some footprints. Jim found some hair and sent it to a biogenetics lab in Denver. The report came back marked “no known species”.

Now this was the 70s so I am not sure what testing could be done then. However we don't know who really tested the hair and even nowadays it seems results are often disputed.

The story has many similarities with Skinwalker and possibly even, the shorter, but just as weird "Kelly Incident" back in the 1950s.

Originally posted by aboutface
reply to post by mirageman

 

Great presentation!

I read your OP and am about to investigate the links you provided. Cattle mutilations are so weird to me. Whenever I read all these alien accounts, at the back of my mind is always the question of whether it could be our forces testing out new weaponry, guidance systems or doing beam precision exercises. However the mutilations are another topic, or could they be related to beam testing? As you can tell, I'm not sold on any particular scenario, preferring to wait until we get some plausible answers.

I would suggest that is much more easy and scientific to have a lab controlled breeding stock onboard a mother ship rather than visit earth each time to test out some new cutting weapon. When humans experiment with animals we have them in a controlled facility, we do not experiment on mice while they are in the sewer or the field because there are too many variable.

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I smell a commercial interest behind this a la roswell.

How many gift shops and Ale-inns are there currently? Not many, the economy is bad, folks are out of work.

This is a good strategy to provide entertainment to ufologists while addressing the poor economy.

Its a win win.

Originally posted by aboutface
reply to post by mirageman

 

Great presentation!

I read your OP and am about to investigate the links you provided. Cattle mutilations are so weird to me. Whenever I read all these alien accounts, at the back of my mind is always the question of whether it could be our forces testing out new weaponry, guidance systems or doing beam precision exercises. However the mutilations are another topic, or could they be related to beam testing? As you can tell, I'm not sold on any particular scenario, preferring to wait until we get some plausible answers.

Yes, it is possible. Surgeons used what are known as electro-thermal scalpels. These are electrically heated so that the cutting edge actually seals blood vessels as they cut through tissue. These are commonly used in operations and autopsies, so there is no messy blood all over staff and table like most TV series depict.

www.medicalproductguide.com...

There were reports in the past that black helicopters were seen during these events of cattle mutilations. Perhaps it is some training exercise on learning how to be undetectable - know how to walk up to cattle downwind, move slowly and be able to kill one without creating a stampede.

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Thanks for the feedback! I'm no expert in this subject either, just cautiously skeptical. I think this is one of those situations that, without disclosure...curious minds will be left in the dark. I tend to side with what is known, and from there open my mind up for alternate explanations. I guess debunked probably wasn't the best word to use, haha.

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I don't have time to read the links, but I starred and flagged for later.

A wonderfully made OP that made my spirits perk up after a growing disinterest with recent ATS topic and the loss of my 8 goslings.

Regards,
Toast

Mutilations have likely happened, but the rest ? It's like creatures come and go every now and then like nowhere else, has the story been decorated over time?

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I think Linda M. Howell is the leading specialist in the Cattle Mutilations in Colorado. She could shed a whole lot of light on this case.

Originally posted by crazyeddie68
Cool thread mirageman,This type of stuff interests me to no end.I read that the skinwalker ranch was bought by billionaire Robert Bigelow.I wonder what his interest in this place is?

It was theorized that Bigelow was going to do research into whether Skinwalker Ranch was a portal of sorts; he also is involved in space travel research, space tourism and such. If what happened at Skinwalker was a true story, he probably has a lot of interesting film footage by now. The description the original owners gave of their first sighting, a large wolf-like creature that took several point blank gunblasts including at least one that sheared off a chunk of flesh and fur and barely made the animal flinch, was especially fascinating. It just disappeared at some point as they tracked it; the footprints just ended.

Read George Knapp's account of this, it's easily available on a search.

As far as the mutilations go, they are far more than some kind of military exercise and I can assure you that the researchers know about laser scalpels. The OP's story says that only a quarter of them are even being investigated and logged so as not to scare the public more than necessary. If the military is doing this, they owe the farmers a helluva lot of reimbursement for the lost animals. There's hundreds of incidents a year ongoing for decades, at the very least.

When were all Cattle Mutilations Debunked? Including the one in the snow that was taken from the locked pen then found out in the field in fresh snow without tacks or blood? Cauterized incisions missing lips and eye...

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Fascinating case, with a lot of weirdness! I don't think I have read about that ranch before. S&F.

It's interesting to me how often some of these various phenomena seem to overlap, for example, how often Bigfoot and UFO sightings occur in the same areas, around the same times. According to Keel, the Mothman sightings were at the same time as many UFO sightings in the same area. If you look at all the data, you have to suspect some sort of connection. Creepy stuff!

reply to post by LastStarfighter

We do however go into the oceans and tag all sorts of wildlife to track patterns in their natural environment. I slub this is the case with this, but just pointing out that science doesn't just use GMO's all the time

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Agreed, Bigelow is hiding something. If you haven't already, checkout this episode of Jesse covering Skinwalker and Bigelow.

At one point in the show, he interviews Bigelow who clearly has signed away his right to talk freely. Also, he has a big ass Gray Alien face on the side of his building (@ 24:29) and if you go to his Website, his site symbol is also an Alien face (look on your tab).



Now, where the heck is this other ranch in relation to skinwalker?

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i did a little research online about the ranch....everything i read was intriguing to say the least.
what i did find was that Bigelow did buy the ranch, he is involved with a Col. John Alexander. Jesse ventura, with his team did go there and speak with colonel Alexander, however Col. Alexander was evasive to say the least.
George Knapp went there as well and spoke about it at a conference.

www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
disinfo.com...
naturalplane.blogspot.com...

here are some links to videos and websites that i have viewed hope this all helps!!

Sounds like slenderman to me....

Haha, but seriously, this was a pretty great read. I'd imagine some of what they experienced was part of a 'group hysteria', when a group of people, all in a similar state, can influence each other enough that they will all imagine the same events and/or happenings. I'm not saying they imagined everything, but surely, after already being scared and on edge, the later events would have been sensationalised.

Is the military installation nearby prone to heavy air traffic? Low flying aircraft could potentially knock out their power from time to time. Also, it is possible that the radio event was merely an intercepted military message, where the military made a blunder (or perhaps deliberately) and broadcast on a frequency that would interfere with the radios in the house.

I'm not trying to debunk the events, i'm just wondering if some of these things may have been the direct result of the military installation which can be seen from the ranch.

Originally posted by ronthealien
reply to post by TheBlackHat

 

i did a little research online about the ranch....everything i read was intriguing to say the least.
what i did find was that Bigelow did buy the ranch, he is involved with a Col. John Alexander. Jesse ventura, with his team did go there and speak with colonel Alexander, however Col. Alexander was evasive to say the least.
George Knapp went there as well and spoke about it at a conference.

www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
disinfo.com...
naturalplane.blogspot.com...

here are some links to videos and websites that i have viewed hope this all helps!!

Thanks for that. Read the transcript on disinfo.com. What it seems like to me is that Bigelow has a hell of a lot of money...is dedicated to finding ET and advanced tech...and because he is very wealthy he has been able to make a connection or two in the military industrial complex. I do not however think there is anything more to it that that.

The part about the government hotline deferring callers to report UFO's to Bigelow...seems to me like the government are done with UFO's, this in itself is very telling, perhaps they already know what they need to or simply cannot be bothered handling hundreds of calls, including hoaxes (more likely in my opinion)...Or the other possibility is that they have outsourced their investigations to Bigelow...as the conspiracy suggests..Somehow I doubt it though...i mean there are enough black projects already..so why bother outsourcing to a private company when the US government has a history of keeping secrets and the manpower and resources to do their own investigations and research..

I seen a show on discovery the other day that says the US gov has a complex radar set up called the space fence that can detect and track foreign satellites that pass through it..(I had an idea recently about doing the same thing with laser beams)...anyhow this space fence can detect and track satellites it can detect and track UFO's too...

As I believe the UFO phenomenon is not a nuts and bolts issue and ties in with human consciousness, another approach would be needed to advance our understanding of it..All world religions talk of beings or gods that come from the sky...but every religion also places a huge emphasis on spirituality....maintaining a spiritual life...the two things are linked. Even in that transcript from the TV show...it states one of the guys who goes up to skin walker ranch...does a little mediation or prayer...and next thing a UFO appears...UFO's are real things but they are also somehow not real, between two worlds, and they respond to our consciousness..How and why? I have no idea.

But if we can take anything from religions, it would appear that supernatural phenomena especially UFO's are created by superior intelligence's in order to direct humanity...direct us where and for what purpose.. that's the real question.

Originally posted by Ender58
reply to post by LastStarfighter

 

We do however go into the oceans and tag all sorts of wildlife to track patterns in their natural environment. I slub this is the case with this, but just pointing out that science doesn't just use GMO's all the time

I never said anything about GMO. I'm talking wild type. It makes no sense to travel to another planet to pick up wild type humans when you can breed them on the mothership.

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BUMP.


Will be watching this video after class today.

im inclined to believe the patterson Bigfoot film is a real bigfoot...looks real to me...yet nobody has ever found a real body..so its like the UFO phenomena.

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So what of Roswell and Wright-Patterson AFB?

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Thanks for the Jesse Ventura link, but man! I wish that guy would do actual research instead of hiring a couple of good looking hacks and pretending. He picks wonderful topics and then does almost nothing with them. There's dozens of people here on ATS who are more qualified as researchers into both the history and any possible current and undisclosed info about any given phenomena. I know he doesn't have much funding for each of these shows but what he has is virtually wasted. Every show ends up being the kind of thing I would have enjoyed watching on a rainy Saturday afternoon as a kid rather than a real investigation, and in the end it makes everyone look like tin foilers.

And he needs to have a way of getting a hold of him if you have actual information to relay. I tried to email the guy once about some 9-11 things and he's impossible to contact; turns out Ventura doesn't do computers or email and the show itself hasn't got a dedicated contact number. On the other hand, if you want to get a hold of Linda Moulton Howe? Piece of cake and anonymity is assured, as it should be.