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Originally posted by arpgme
There is no "need" to prepare. Preparing just happens. You could do so or not. It doesn't really matter. You are a whole/complete being.

Any kind of preparation implies looking toward the future and planning ahead.

In order to discharge one's obligations and responsibilites, preparation is often required. Are you saying that it does not matter whether we meet or obligations or not?

reply to post by mysticnoon

Originally posted by mysticnoon

Any kind of preparation implies looking toward the future and planning ahead.

In order to discharge one's obligations and responsibilites, preparation is often required. Are you saying that it does not matter whether we meet or obligations or not?

To an individual it may matter, but in reality only what happens matter. It is all just happening.

You can be picking up the groceries thinking about "what will happen if you didn't have food" or you can be picking up groceries in the moment, enjoying the vibe, the people, etc.

You can be preparing splitting your focus thinking about "what may happen" or you can be very focused on the actual preparing in the moment - experiencing the sensations of the activity, etc.

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I think he meant the act of picking up a weeks worth of groceries is thinking ahead, even if it isn't something you are worrying or obssesing about.

reply to post by daskakik

Originally posted by daskakik
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I think he meant the act of picking up a weeks worth of groceries is thinking ahead, even if it isn't something you are worrying or obssesing about.

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Yes, going to the store to buy groceries is thinking ahead (food for hunger); and if you were in the wild, running away from a predator animal would be thinking ahead (survival - not wanting to do).

If you are already doing what you can in the moment, what more can you do? There is no reason to worry. It will be what it will be.

The main message in the original post is that being in the now REMINDS you of The Truth.
(You are a Whole/Complete being, but sometimes thoughts makes us think the opposite).

Without thoughts, there is no comparing "this" to "that", and therefore no feeling of being "incomplete" or "lacking".

I'm not saying anything is "wrong" with thoughts. It is what it is, just remember that behind all of the thoughts you are still whole and the feeling of "lack" is an illusion from thoughts.

Originally posted by arpgme
If you are already doing what you can in the moment, what more can you do? There is no reason to worry. It will be what it will be.

Who said anyone is worrying? Your the only one who keeps implying that thinking ahead=worrying.

The main message in the original post is that being in the now REMINDS you of The Truth.
(You are a Whole/Complete being, but sometimes thoughts makes us think the opposite).

Without thoughts, there is no comparing "this" to "that", and therefore no feeling of being "incomplete" or "lacking".

I'm not saying anything is "wrong" with thoughts. It is what it is, just remember that behind all of the thoughts you are still whole and the feeling of "lack" is an illusion from thoughts.

Aren't these the same thoughts needed to make you feel complete?

Are you not comparing how you felt before your realization to what you feel now? Is it more or less of an illusion or maybe, just as much of an illusion?

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Originally posted by daskakik
Who said anyone is worrying? Your the only one who keeps implying that thinking ahead=worrying.

I'm implying that worrying about a possible future is worrying.

In this moment you are complete. A thought comes and obsessing over what you feel you 'lack' is what causes worrying about the future. If this is not happening then you are at peace.

Originally posted by daskakik
Aren't these the same thoughts needed to make you feel complete?

In the absence of thoughts of lack, one feels whole. It is the thoughts of longing and lacking that makes one feel incomplete.

Complete / Whole just being another word for "nothing is missing".

How can one feel that something is missing if they are not comparing THIS (What's here) to THAT (what isn't)?

Originally posted by daskakik
Are you not comparing how you felt before your realization to what you feel now? Is it more or less of an illusion or maybe, just as much of an illusion?

Before this realization, there were still moments where "wholeness" was realize, when thoughts of lack happened and were obsessed about and believed - that is where the illusion of "lack" came from. The moment thoughts of lack went away wholeness returned.

This was always true, but now the truth is realized.

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You didn't answer the question. Is this "wholeness" just as much of an illusion as the "lack"?

You probably don't think so at the moment but, I happen to think it is.

ETA:

How can one feel that something is missing if they are not comparing THIS (What's here) to THAT (what isn't)?

But that is what you are doing. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to differentiate between the two.

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Originally posted by daskakik
You didn't answer the question. Is this "wholeness" just as much of an illusion as the "lack"?

You probably don't think so at the moment but, I happen to think it is.

You 'think' it is. Wholeness is felt without thinking. It is beyond it. It is what is there before thoughts of lack arise.

Even thoughts that arise about "wholeness" are just thoughts, but it points to what is there - the truth.

For example, thoughts about silence are itself an illusion because thoughts aren't silent, they speak in the mind; but the thought itself is pointing to the silence beyond it.
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Most people who realize this will probably make an effort to 'stop all thought' or 'kill the ego' or 'silence the mind', but it is the mind/ego that already arises within in (the wholeness / the silence).

It is ok, even if the mind/ego tricks you into believing that you aren't whole, it is only momentarily
(it is what it is until it isn't - and when it no longer is - that moment will still be experienced as now),

Understanding that one is complete in the now (no matter how it changes) will be the realization of truth that "pleasurable" or "painful" thoughts are just thoughts and nothing is needed as one is whole (but things will continue to happen as the now always change).

Illusion disguises itself as truth, but it always changes, it even tries to distort truth but pulling one away from it to make them think the truth is a part of the illusion. The truth does not change. It is constant. Beyond all thoughts, what is there that is constant?

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Semantics. Change "think" for "feel" and all of a sudden the process has changed?

You are still comparing or you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them. That is why it is just as much of an illusion.

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Originally posted by daskakik
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Semantics. Change "think" for "feel" and all of a sudden the process has changed?

You are still comparing or you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them. That is why it is just as much of an illusion.

Whether you realize the silence and fullness behind your thoughts (whether they be "positive" or "negative") that does not change the fact that it is there beyond it - and constant.

The illusion will keep change, but it will remain. The illusion is the thoughts of 'realizing' and 'not realizing' of it, but the actual wholeness - silence itself - is truth because it is constant without changing from which all thoughts arise.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to these conclusions? Through meditation?

The mind just stopped talking one day and I got to see without words. 'What is' is easy to see when there are no words.
When the words started again, I saw that they were just appearances appearing presently along with the all that is arising presently.
The words happen but there is no one doing them.

edit on 18-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Words covering up reality .
That hurts.

reply to post by arpgme

Is it really beyond it or was it always next to it and you just didn't notice it?

Is it what gives rise to thoughts or are they both caused by something else?

reply to post by daskakik


There is nothing (silence/wholeness) which captures something (thought/images/form/matter), what is beyond something? and what is beyond this 'nothing' which forms 'something'?

Wholeness is silence and can be considered 'nothing' because it is the space that is whole and full and yet all 'things' are birth from it, like a thought (light/imagery) arising in the mind (space/silence/peace/wholeness).

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To 1 its like accepting the guides or overseeing aspects of EXISTENCE as many or 1 conducts themselves alone or with others. Acknowledging that whatever deeds many or 1 have acted upon for passions and or reasons that these deeds are self willed and so if you chose many of THE path alternates (s) based on your desires or agenda then there is nothing to consider or fear that may hold the consciousness down or back, for all activities and deeds WATCHED or observed from sensed and un sensed locations ARE SELF WILLED and so attract to like consciousness and possible locations based on freeness of will to exist as some feel they may wish to...

NAMASTE*******

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Are you trying to convince me or yourself?

Just because you choose to place the lable of nothing on this "silence/wholeness" it doesn't mean that that is what it is or that it is somehow beyond thoughts.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


All is One (connected) as All is energy.

If one realize that one is whole, it can influence another to this realization.

Passion / desire / will for self gratification can cause harm for others and leave one with a lack of peace (always feeling unfulfilled) but what causes the 'passion' to arise?

The feeling that one is not whole - that one is missing something - therefore there is aggression to control and manipulate others for one's own gratification.

When one realizes that they are whole, the 'longing' obsession to control others is gone and peace is found.

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Originally posted by daskakik
Are you trying to convince me or yourself?

Neither, if I convince or not, I am already whole. The need to force someone to be convinced is not there. I am just responding and if people realize or not, then it just happens as it does.

Originally posted by daskakik
Just because you choose to place the lable of nothing on this "silence/wholeness" it doesn't mean that that is what it is or that it is somehow beyond thoughts.

Nothing is whole. How can nothing be incomplete?

Only in the realm of "things" (something) can we say that the "parts" aren't here, and even that is a belief because things (reality) is just appearing/happening.

Originally posted by arpgme
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When one realizes that they are whole, the 'longing' obsession to control others is gone and peace is found.

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Sorry, you seem to be caught up in the same loop as itisnowagain.

I guess it really doesn't matter.

reply to post by daskakik


The loop is life and death. Things appear and disappear. Those who live in the illusion of chasing appearances may not want to see that it is a 'loop'.

The ever-changing now.

The wholeness/space beyond it is constant.