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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Not all recognize that they are constantly present watching words and ideas form. The ideas imply there is something other than here and now - like 'tomorrow' and then a scared individual tries to make tomorrow ok now. The mind is trying to solve the problem of 'tomorrow'. But 'tomorrow' is not really happening.
Yeah, that really helps. Go sit in your corner while we come up with tomorrow's answers to today's problems. You know, a real solution - not just philosophical reasons to spend a whole lot of time doing exactly nothing.edit on 18-5-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Not all recognize that they are constantly present watching words and ideas form. The ideas imply there is something other than here and now - like 'tomorrow' and then a scared individual tries to make tomorrow ok now. The mind is trying to solve the problem of 'tomorrow'. But 'tomorrow' is not really happening.
Yeah, that really helps. Go sit in your corner while we come up with tomorrow's answers to today's problems. You know, a real solution - not just philosophical reasons to spend a whole lot of time doing exactly nothing.edit on 18-5-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Are you solving the worlds problems?
Is life comfortable for you? Until you can find the source of your own suffering you cannot save the world.
Originally posted by InTheLight
If one does absolutely nothing today, then the now continues and becomes the future, the expected future.
Originally posted by InTheLight
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Again, I will use the word stagnation. Stagnation in one's now, in only one realm, to the exclusion of venturing into other ways of being (learning), such as envisioning the future in a changed state and then taking steps (intellectual and physical action) to make that future vision the now (which it is already the now, but not in the physical (yet)).
Nothing needs to be done, or if it does it would be happening NOW and until it does happen then it didn't need to happen up until that moment. You can argue against it, but if you argue with what happened, then you always lose because it's already done, and nothing will change that. You are fully prepared for each moment as it arises. You are whole and complete.
because just as I am a whole being in this NOW, I will be a whole being when that future moment comes to be now, and when that future moment comes to be now, that is the only time I can truly deal with it head-on anyway.
Are you solving the worlds problems?
Is life comfortable for you? Until you can find the source of your own suffering you cannot save the world.
Nothing needs to be done, or if it does it would be happening NOW and until it does happen then it didn't need to happen up until that moment.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Itisnowagain
It's not that it cannot do anything with the information, it is because it is unnecessary to do anything with that information.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by arpgme
You mentioned in a post in another thread that you are nothing but "waiting", that "waiting" is what you do.
My response is that it is because of "waiting" that we are in this mess to begin with. We've been "waiting" for someone else to take responsibility, "waiting" for a solution to just present itself, and "waiting" for an excuse to just keep on "waiting".
Your OP reminds me of that post.
Originally posted by dominicus
the whole "there is nothing you can do, and no one to do it" movement is a neo-advaita sham. Sure there is only NOW, and everyone is already One and in Oneness, and complete, etc etc.....but the ego, like a veil, facade, still covers all this up.
There seems to be people moving about, there seems to be actions being done. I'm not saying "nothing you can do". I am saying "nothing you need to do". Everything is already happening. You are already moving about doing what you are. "I should be doing this... but I am not" "I should be doing that... why do I never do so?" "I will do this when that moment comes..." "That moment came and I did not do as I planned, crap!" These thoughts are judgements of non-acceptance, and these thoughts do not change what happened, happens, or will happen. You will do so when you do - or not. Arguing about it in the mind and judging yourself just adds more stress.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Why make a principle out of something we all do anyways?
Every animal lives in the now. What you're promoting is to stop thinking, to deny thought (insofar as it is concerned with past and future), and to disregard memory, prediction, and human experience in favour of hedonistic and animalistic ignorance.
'Ignorance is bliss' is already the most popular and common philosophy out there.
True perfection seems imperfect
yet it is perfectly itself.
True fullness seems empty
yet it is fully present.
Originally posted by InTheLight
If one does absolutely nothing today, then the now continues and becomes the future, the expected future.
Originally posted by InTheLight
Again, I will use the word stagnation. Stagnation in one's now, in only one realm
Originally posted by InTheLight
envisioning the future in a changed state and then taking steps (intellectual and physical action) to make that future vision the now (which it is already the now, but not in the physical (yet)).
reply to post by arpgme
it would just be another 'want' another 'need' another point of view which says that I am not whole so I should worry about the future.
Originally posted by awakendhybrid
So it is as if I don't even need the understanding I seek and assume I need to remain in the now...the now that I am never not in.
Yea actually, I just confused myself
Originally posted by arpgme
Right now you are Complete (Whole). When you worry about the future you feel 'lack' that something isn't enough.
But if you refocus on now, you'll see that....
right now you are complete... and right now you are complete... and right now you are complete...
so even if that future moment did come (to be The NOW), you would still be complete and the only thing that could make you think otherwise is the worrying of your thoughts...
People worry about the future, but the only thing you can do now is prepare.
Originally posted by mysticnoon
If we are already supposedly complete in the now, and now is all there ever is, then where is the need to prepare? Does not a need to prepare imply a state of imagined incompleteness in an imagined future?
(I stated my question rather clumsily, but hopefully the meaning of it can be understood.)
Originally posted by arpgme
If you embody wholeness, then in that moment the seeking stops. If you understand that you have everything you need in each moment as it arises then you understand that all is connected and all is well. Whatever needs to be done will be done in that very moment.
Nothing needs to be done, or if it does it would be happening NOW and until it does happen then it didn't need to happen up until that moment.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
I thought everything you wrote was very good, so I figured I would try and follow your advice.
I embodied wholeness, my seeking stopped, I had everything I needed in each moment, all was well, nothing needed to be done, nothing was happening that didnt need to happen.....and then I got hungry.....and then I died.