It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Again, I do not disagree. However, as I said, you are not describing socialism, merely the application of socialist tactics for the purposes of appeasement.
Originally posted by votan
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by fadedface
Capitalism condemns those who do not have the competitive edge to survive in the social darwinistic order it imposes on society.
Socialism condemns the productive to have to carry the unproductive on their backs.
Socialism imposes slavery on the productive and weakens the human herd.
It goes against evolutionary history and evolutionary psychology.
Don't capitalists take advantage of cheap labor akin to slavery in other countries?? isn't that part of the reason why companies are leaving the usa?? because people want fair wages to be able to live comfortably? aren't people being asked to adjust to cheaper wages to cmopete with other countries with slave like wages??? so which one imposes slavery like conditions again??
Socialism does not condemn the productive... it just keeps some people from setting up the rules so they are on top and the rest remain on the bottom.
One of the Smarter comments through out this entire thing...again, I'm not pro socialist as I Know the flaws, but I'm adamently opposed to Capitalism and more against corporate fascism/fuedalism,
We need to move beyond the dichotomies and look for alternative systems/create them,
But as you can see from the tunnel thinking most have, I doubt it will happen in This lifetime. Sad to say, it will probably require worldwide oppression and near annihilation for most to "get it"
How we treat others always comes back to us, horizontally and vertically, but it's easier for humans to cleave to hard hearts. Sad...
Both capitalism and socialism have the positive and negative points. The common factor that makes it fail is people... people in both systems ask what's in it for me and those people usually reach for power then corrupt the system in their favor.
evolution If we were animals there shouldn't be laws preventing us from killing each other in our everyday lives.
Originally posted by fadedface
reply to post by oonkala
"Once private property is abolished, individuals are no longer deprived of access to means of production enabling them to freely associate (without social constraint) to produce and reproduce their own conditions of existence and fulfill their individual and creative needs and desires."
"The free association represents a coordinating entity for economic activity that is concerned with administrative decision-making and the flow of goods and services to satisfy demand"
Before you start denigrating communism with your greedy capitalistic fervour you should actually read up on some Communist theory.
No more capitalist pigs contributing to this thread please I've got nothing to say to your sort.
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them in parliament."
edit on 17-5-2013 by fadedface because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AkumaStreak
Examples: companies using the copyright and patent system against others (offensive)
Originally posted by Whiskeychaser
"Capitalism won the Cold War." - any individual who can think for themselves.