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Jeremy Scahill and Noam Chomsky: The Truth About America's Secret, Dirty Wars

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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:10 PM

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

I am aware of the Bilderbergers, Skull & Bones, Club of Rome, CFR, TLC, Bohemian Grove, etc.!!
Please stop trying to 'educate' me with writings from obviously biased people. I keep bringing up Beck because I know you adore him and you once admonished me to "read his book", which I refused to do. Alex Jones is another one who I tried to take seriously, but quickly by fact-checking and looking at opposing views decided he was likewise not worth paying attention to.

You are following 'extremist' thinking and I am tired of you shoving them at me. I know how to research and investigate things, ThirdEye. I know how to read something, then look at critiques of it, supporters of it, and follow off-shoots. I know how to use the internet, how to assess information. I'm learning every day, and it's clear that my stance is fluid in how I assess what's out there.

None of us know 'the whole story', and while I understand this is a conspiracy-theory website, NOT EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. Yes, I do spend time looking at the issues and reading both the 'conspiracy!' and 'no conspiracy' and I understand that the truth is somewhere in between.

Some people I have given a chance, and then dismissed. Others I have discovered, followed for a time, and come to respect if not 'trust'. Because WE DON'T KNOW.

We don't really REALLY know who the shadow government are, and most analysts agree that even the actors in it don't actually know who is at the helm. THAT is what worries me

That post right there is why I decided to "educate" you on the CFR, because we DO know who the Shadow Govt is, and although you say you do know and understand about the Bilderbergs and Skull and Bones, you still blame everything on Capitalism and corporations. It is so predictable. You quote CHOMSKY and I had to inform you about him, but did you even catch that? I even gave you a bone with the Bush family cabal in Skull and Bones, and you are still whining about how I must just love Glenn Beck....What is the problem with the way you see things? You are determined to believe people like Chomsky because somewhere in your heart of hearts you want that Big Govt Nanny State but you cannot accept when Big Brother acts like Obama but even then it must still be the big bad corporations....yes, the corporations have their part but the problem is not Capitalism per se....the Left always has to vilify Capitalism in order to prop up Marxist redistribution and Nanny Statism.

Yes apparently you do not know the material enough or you would get what I posted.

Now speaking of Agenda 21, I have shown you where even in the CFR's own papers they are shamelessy bringing a Marxist totalitarian govt, I showed you where Bill Gates and the Club of Rome are the very part of this promoting Agenda 21 as the ideal environmentalist society, and yes, if you would bother to read what's in front of you, you would find everywhere in the literature that they fully intend to depopulate the planet to around 500 million to achieve their goals. I don't know what's so hard to understand that and the role in eugenics that they have with vaccinations and abortion......what is hard to understand?
In your case it can only be willing leftism.

Apparently I do have to educate you on what you say you already know because apparently you don't.

I gave you Antony Sutton's own work and still you think I get all my material from Glenn Beck. And because you believe that radical environmentalism is necessary to preserve the planet, you accept Agenda 21 at face value....just like you accepted Obama at face value....see what I am saying????
Now you are seeing the Obama glow fade right before your eyes and you think it is just because he is not as left as you thought he was, because that is the typical distancing dance that people do when their favorite partisan puppet doesn't dance the way they wanted.
Democrats even said Obama was Bush II but are still blaming Bush for everything bad....and they cannot own up to Obama is exactly what they voted for. And he is exactly what you voted for because Obama is the perfect Left Hegelian and yes even left Hegelians take us to war when it suits them. And yes they take money from corporations to do what they want. And yes they give public money to their crony friends in corporations and the Unions. And yes they lie, cheat, steal, and go gun running and get people killed and lie about it calling it an unfortunate reaction from a cheaply made video.
What will it take for you to see?

posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:13 PM
reply to post by wildtimes


Right back at ya honey, you see only what you want to see.

You are following 'extremist' thinking and I am tired of you shoving them at me. I know how to research and investigate things, ThirdEye. I know how to read something, then look at critiques of it,

What is extreme about posting material about the Bush family in Skull and Bones? If I was going to be extreme would I ever point to that in any posting????

So Antony Sutton must be extreme as well, as I use his materials often and did yesterday as well. I bet you didn't read that piece which is reprint of one of his most famous books.
Also, I was on about agenda 21 years ago before Glenn Beck ever mentioned it.

Scahill is a left wing partisan hack as much as anyone

Scahill was outraged over the administration’s secrecy surrounding its national security operations, particularly drone strikes. Smiley asked him why the administration has not been more forthcoming about its use of drones, and Scahill partially blamed congressional Republicans:

People like Scahill just cannot admit that leftists do whatever they want to achieve their goals and if it be attack drones and wars....then that's what they do...all the antiwar rhetoric is nothing but platitudes to get people on board.

If it were not so, then no Democrat in office would be taking us to war....Clinton took us to Kosovo, the Democrats in Bush era did vote for all those wars and they can't take it back just because it's unpopular with the anti war left.
Obama was as "anti war" as any leftist when he was elected in 08. What has changed? Nothing, he is doing the bidding of the CFR. Last time I checked there were both Democrats and Republicans in the CFR rolls.

I can still picture O with his golf club robotically talking about air raiding villages and killing civilians

Back to Scahill

He discusses the left’s disregard of their anti-war principles in favor of being loyal to leaders in their own party and the war propaganda that is fed to Americans through mass media.

ok I'll give Scahill that, but what Scahill doesn't get is that true leftist radicals are just as warmongering as any right wing Hawk and we see the evidence of it when Democrats vote for wars then blame them all on Republicans. It's so typical.
Was Pearl Harbor and WWII the fault of war hawk Republicans? Not at all. Was FDR one of the biggest Nanny Staters ever to grace the Presidency? Why yes,yes he was. He was a war hawk and a Nanny Stater

So back to the premise here: Didn't Obama give you what you wanted, which was more Big Govt Nanny Statism, socialized health care, more Agenda 21(his WH Rural Council), perks and waivers for the Unions, and so much more? Do you not understand that real leftist radicals offer support to the enemies of America for the express purpose of destroying American hegemony, that Soros is doing this, that Obama is doing this, that Hillary is doing this??? They are doing EXACTLY what leftists do and yes the war machine in involved.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 03:59 PM
Now, I'll explain something else to you.

There is a reason why a left leaning IRS agent who is employed by a left leaning radical administration targeted right leaning Tea Party organizations filing for 501c4 apps but did not apparently target left leaning Occupy Wall Street which is now a 501c3 incorporated non profit CORPORATION. is also a 501c4 corp

MoveOn comprises two legal entities, each organized under a different section of U.S. tax and election laws. Civic Action is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit corporation,[5][6][7][8] and was formerly known as MoveOn Civic Action focuses on education and advocacy on national issues. Political Action is a federal political action committee, and was formerly known as MoveOn PAC. It contributes to the campaigns of many candidates across the country. MoveOn calls the legal structure of MoveOn Civic Action that of "a California nonprofit public benefit corporation" and Political Action that of "a California nonprofit mutual benefit corporation," and refers to both corporations collectively as "MoveOn".[9]

Do you think a leftist admin is going to target MoveOn or Occupy? No of course not, and the whole reason they went for the Tea Party is that the Tea Party stands for Patriotic Americans and the Occupy movement stands for anything that is against American principles of free enterprise and liberty. It is so simple a child could understand.

While the number of conservative groups persecuted by the IRS increases, let’s reflect back on how the IRS allowed a 501(c)(3) sponsor to allow Occupy Wall Street — the violent, vandalizing, rapetastic movement which resulted in property damage but no policy change — to accept tax deductible donations.

Obama went into Libya without Congress. Everything he does is completely leftist in nature right down to the kind of wars he will get us embroiled in.

Apparently Obama KNEW that a no fly zone in Libya wouldn't help save people

That much had been in the news. One crucial piece of information had not. "We knew that a no-fly zone would not save the people of Ben­gha­zi," says Obama. "The no-fly zone was an expression of concern that didn't real­ly do anything." European leaders wanted to create a no-fly zone to stop Qaddafi, but Qaddafi wasn't flying. His army was racing across the North African desert in jeeps and tanks. Obama had to have wondered just how aware of this were these foreign leaders supposedly interested in the fate of these Libyan civilians. He didn't know if they knew that a no-fly zone was pointless, but if they'd talked to any military leader for five minutes they would have.

Yet he took us to Libya under the usual leftist pretense of humanitarian help. And because the UN supported it. And he did it in the usual way of leftists, that is to do nothing at all of any effective value
Then the Benghazi scandal happened and we are still finding out what was really going on there.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:38 PM
well well! Isn't this nifty!!! Scahill writes for "The Nation" and Puffin Foundation

Scahill is the national security correspondent for The Nation magazine and longtime Democracy Now! correspondent.

Jeremy Scahill is a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at The Nation Institute,

Son of former Bill Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal, Max Blumenthal was born in 1977. He received his B.A. in history from the University of Pennsylvania in 1999. He currently works as a Puffin Foundation writing fellow at the Nation Institute, which is funded, in part, by George Soros’ Open Society Institute. He is also a Research Fellow for Media Matters for America. Blumenthal is a regular contributor to The Nation and continues to publish in a number of liberal and leftist journals and magazines, most prominent among them, The Daily Beast, the American Prospect,, the Washington Monthly, Alternet, and the Huffington Post. His first book, Republican Gomorrah: Inside the Movement that Shattered the Party (2009), was published by Nation Books.

And Amy Goodman, leftist extraordinaire who hates Capitalism, works for Democracy Now and lo and behold, Democracy Now gets funding from...drumroll please.... Carnegie and Ford Foundations.

But serious questions have arisen about how Democracy Now! -- which developed with the resources of Pacifica Radio and grants from the Carnegie Corporation, the Ford Foundation, J.M. Kaplan Fund and others -- suddenly in 2002 became independent and the effective property of Amy Goodman without any recompense to Pacifica. This transfer included valuable assets such as trademarks, ownership of years of archived programs and interviews, affiliate station access and more.

Wait, didn't Obama's momma work for Ford Foundation?

According to a published report in the September Rock Creek Free Press of Washington, D.C., investigative reporter Wayne Madsen says Obama’s mother Ann Dunham worked “on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation.” The East-West Center had long been affiliated with CIA activities in the Asia-Pacific region, Madsen says.
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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 04:54 PM
Here's something else you may not know(which of course the Obama admin is deeply mired in)

The unrest in Egypt, of course, was led entirely by ICG member Mohamed ElBaradei and his US State Department recruited, funded, and supported April 6 Youth Movement coordinated by Google’s Wael Ghonim. While the unrest was portrayed as being spontaneous, fueled by the earlier Tunisian uprising, ICG’s ElBaradei, Ghonim, and their youth movement had been in Egypt since 2010 assembling their “National Front for Change” and laying the groundwork for the January 25th 2011 uprising.

ICG’s George Soros would then go on to fund Egyptian NGOs working to rewrite the Egyptian constitution after front-man ElBaradei succeeded in removing Hosni Mubarak. This Soros-funded constitution and the resulting servile stooge government it would create represents the ICG “resolving” the crisis their own ElBaradei helped create.

Notable ICG Foundation & Corporate Supporters:
Carnegie Corporation of New York
Hunt Alternatives Fund
Open Society Institute
Rockefeller Brothers Fund
Morgan Stanley
Deutsche Bank Group
Soros Fund Management LLC
McKinsey & Company

More at -

Soooo little miss Amy Goodman takes assets from Ford, Carnegie, and Soros and still bashes corporations as my my
not to mention she was accordingly paid 1 million dollars a year...non profit payer subsidized public radio hmmmm
sounds like typical Occupy

The "Psychology of Denial" in left wing magazine front groups

The reasons for the intense denial about the 9/11/01 attack inside the Left establishment appear to go much deeper than the fact that many of its institutions are funded by endowments like those of the Ford Foundation. The official myth appeals to political philosophies that condemn U.S. imperialism by providing the supreme example of "blowback" -- the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. Researcher August West speaks to this and other psychological underpinnings of the denial.

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posted on May, 22 2013 @ 07:10 PM
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

You quote CHOMSKY and I had to inform you about him


No, I already knew about 'him'.
You didn't 'inform me' about anything! Wow.

You really think I'm that naive and misguided?????

Don't be ridiculous.

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