I try to keep up with world events, but I had not heard of Mr Scahill (of course I've heard of Chomsky) or his film Dirty
Wars (link goes to the Dirty Wars website) and accompanying book before. Description of the
In Dirty Wars, Jeremy Scahill, author of the New York Times best-seller Blackwater, takes us inside America’s new covert wars. The foot
soldiers in these battles operate globally and inside the United States with orders from the White House to do whatever is necessary to hunt down,
capture or kill individuals designated by the president as enemies.
Drawn from the ranks of the Navy SEALs, Delta Force, former Blackwater and other private security contractors, the CIA’s Special Activities Division
and the Joint Special Operations Command ( JSOC), these elite soldiers operate worldwide, with thousands of secret commandos working in more than one
hundred countries. Funded through “black budgets,” Special Operations Forces conduct missions in denied areas, engage in targeted killings, snatch
and grab individuals and direct drone, AC-130 and cruise missile strikes. While the Bush administration deployed these ghost militias, President
Barack Obama has expanded their operations and given them new scope and legitimacy.
The movie trailer:
The article of the same title as this OP is lengthy, and originally sourced to www.democracynow.org..., and I went there to find it and found
several MORE very disturbing, alarming, and horrible facts to which I'd had NO exposure. I did a search here and didn't find anything related
directly to Scahill's journalism, the film, or the book. If it's posted somewhere, I'll appreciate being redirected to any ongoing threads.
I CERTAINLY hope that I'm just late to the meeting on this one - and I believe that EVERY member of ATS should be aware of these atrocities. I have
officially decided, as of today, that Obama is a traitor. I hereby withdraw ANY support I have - in my naivete - given him for his 'public'
pretense of wanting peace and following the law.
Having said that, when I first arrived at ATS, I watched one of Alex Jones' films about him, and I believed it. Later on, I came to see Jones as a
ranting maniac. Now, I don't know WHO to believe, or WHAT to think....
and it frightens me. It frightens me for my children, who are now in their early twenties...and for any children they might produce. It frightens me
for the whole world, and I am admitting here, today, plainly and clearly, that I have been misled and no longer trust that I know ANYTHING about what
is really going on.
The article is fairly long, but at the end of Scahill's keynote remarks, he wraps up with this:
if we saw the humanity in the real widows of
Baghdad instead of being obsessed with the real housewives of Los Angeles or Beverly Hills or whatever, if we actually see them as human beings, then
the game changes, the equation changes, because you don’t view it through a nationalist lens, you don’t view it through the lens of American
You view it as all of our responsibility as human beings to stand up, even when someone is in power, especially when someone is in power, who you may
have voted for, or who you like, or who you think is the lesser of two evils. That’s when your principles are tested. You know, a society’s values
are not defined—our values are not defined by how we treat the rich and the powerful and the popular. It’s defined by how we treat the least of
our people, how we treat the poorest.
And it’s also how we treat the most reprehensible.
This is my belief and has been for my entire life. We MUST be compassionate. I
thought, mistakenly and stupidly, that Obama truly wanted those things, too. So, I'm rather shook up today and 'news-shocked'. I suppose
some here might see this and want to "neener neener neener" me, with "I told you so!" and they would be right to do so. But this man, Scahill,
strikes me as a very lucid, serious journalist, and I take him seriously. If I'm wrong about him, please correct me.
We shouldn’t project this idea that we have anything resembling the rule of law, unless it can apply in the most inconvenient of cases.
That’s the standard that we should be judged by.
And that’s our challenge. And it’s the challenge of young people—and there’s a lot of young people in the room tonight—to keep the struggle
going to build a world where justice prevails and where humanity is recognized, with no difference between nationality or citizenship. Thank
So here, I've bared my soul once again. I urge everyone to read the article linked at the top of this post.
In a Senate hearing today, Pentagon officials claimed President Obama and future presidents have the power to send troops anywhere in the world to
fight groups linked to al-Qaeda, based in part on the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), passed by Congress days after the attacks on
Sept. 11, 2001
On the right hand side of the link, see other related articles exposing what is going on under this seeming "kinder and juster"
I am now officially anti-Obama, and I DEEPLY resent having been lied to and tricked by ALL of the people running this show. I'm aghast,
ashamed as an American, and enraged by it. I don't believe I will EVER vote again.
Thanks for reading. I'm going now to order the film, and both of his books. And prepare to lose my appetite and my lingering hope for this sorry
That's why you won't see me supporting ANY current political parties!
The evolution of humanity shouldn't be at the hands of power hungry globalists! As long as we depend on "them" the shackles that they have put on
us by their tactics of fear will be the death of humanity.....
Yes, I'm rather blown away by it. I just ordered the book and also "Blackwater" (revised and updated). Man oh man is this world scary.
I went with my son to see "Mud" the other day (great flick, btw), and we were talking about his take on things. He's only 22, very bright, and he
knows all about the 'conspiracy' theories around 9/11 (says he's 85% convinced it was an inside job), and how the big banks run everything.
But at least he's paying attention - I know lots of youths aren't. Unfortunately.
I have officially decided, as of today, that Obama is a traitor. I hereby withdraw ANY support I have - in my naivete - given him for his
'public' pretense of wanting peace and following the law.....I suppose some here might see this and want to "neener neener neener" me, with "I
told you so!" and they would be right to do so.
Abandoning a closely held belief when presented with evidence that contradicts it is one of the most courageous things that a person can do, and
publicly announcing it and shedding light on the new information makes it even more courageous. If anyone mocks you for considering new evidence and
changing your mind simply disregard them. They are cheerleaders and fans, not players in the game.
People should do what there constitution tells them to do, and that is rise up in arms against tyranny. I have noticed though the malaise that has
been cast over society we are being told that is not quite the done thing anymore and oh so ghastly and barbaric response, apparently it isnt the way
to do things. Sometimes though its pretty much the only way to do things.
I would imagine it is probably an extreme violation of the sites rules to discuss armed insurrection and attacks on federal institutions. But you
know, thats what you would have to do.
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Not the government per se, but rather tyranny and if that tyranny is in the form of the current government, then well what you gonna do?. I am also
not entirely aware of any section that explicitly forbids violence against government?, is that unconstitutional?, how so?
Not the government per se, but rather tyranny and if that tyranny is in the form of the current government, then well what you gonna do?. I am
also not entirely aware of any section that explicitly forbids violence against government?, is that unconstitutional?, how so?
Here are a few examples for you Tuttle.
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
— Thomas Jefferson (attributed to Jefferson, by his contemporaries)
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
— Thomas Jefferson (attributed to Jefferson, by his contemporaries)
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
— Benjamin Franklin (on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania - 1759)
Those are just a few of many of our forbearers thoughts on the country they wanted to build as a nation based on freedom. Not that they promoted
violence against the government, but they certainly WARNED US!
All sides of the political continuum are in bed with the guilty arrogant elite. They have been seduced literally by hell and by their greed, lusts,
O was set up early in life to be the shill for them and the Destroyer-In-Chief. He's been doing as ordered with hate filled glee. His own staff
characterize him as a pathological liar.
The GOP has been as bad in most respects. More GOP Presidents have treated the Whitehouse staff with more respect and courtesy than the typical DEM
Presidents. And that's an interesting commentary on character to a point. Witness the Clintons vs W Bush.
However it's all been and is a good-cop/bad-cop charade. Distract the sheeple while constructing their death camps, destroying their culture; their
values; their economy; their food; their way of life; their safety; their freedoms . . . and schedule genocide sufficient to force the world down to
There have been tales of the assassins for a long time. Some of them have dropped out and lived long enough to tell some interesting tales.
As Kissinger said--quoted at the first link above:
132."Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in The Final Days,
133."[color=6699FF]The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." Henry Kissinger
134."The Brady Bill's only effect will be to desensitize the public to regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."
Charles Krauthammer, Washington Post, April 5, 1996
There are occasionally members who post extensively in the [Breaking Alternative News] and [Breaking Political News] sub-forums. I haven't been seeing
some of the most prolific posters showing up there lately however.
Under [My ATS] you can add [FAVORITE Forums] for quick access. I have the three [Breaking News] there.
You might want to start threads there.
Anyway, it's been obvious to me that all of the bad things that the Bush administration was up to as far as war crimes, violations of civil rights,
and the militarization of the World goes, the Obama administration has been doubling down on.
Early in the transition period, a piece I read pretty much summed up the political reality. The Democratic Party co-opted the Peace Movement for it's
own purposes. Once the Democrats got the White House, the Peace Movement (left wing branch) almost disappeared under the hurrahs of "Mission
The Peace Movement in my local community was organized by the Local Democratic Party Chairman. Once the election of 2008 was over, it (the movement)
just stopped doing anything. No meetings, no emails, no nothing.
Jeremy Scahill is a pretty good digger up of facts "best left alone", like the black-ops site in
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Violence against the government is unconstitutional because it circumvents the lawful procedures that the constitution put in place to change
government. It is unconstitutional for the same reasons that an executive order that revokes a constitutional right or abolishes a branch of the
government would be. Whatever goal one would have in mind that they wish to achieve through the use of force could be achieved lawfully if the
constitution is enforced. That doesn't mean that violence should never be used against the government, but it certainly cannot be justified as
Regarding the OP topic, the issues that it points to are not solvable through violent uprising. They are solvable in part by more people being willing
to speak against the actions of those in their own party or on their end of the political spectrum, the way that Wildtimes is doing here. Bush was
able to expand the government's influence over our lives (and the lives of Iraqis and Afghanis) because so many conservatives were too blinded by
loyalty and partisanship to see what was really happening, and were hesitant to criticize him. Obama is able to trample on civil and human rights
because so many liberals are blinded by the same sense of loyalty and partisanship, and are similarly hesitant to criticize him.
In other words, we should stop fantasizing about parties and left/right ideologies, stop making excuses for a politician just because we voted for
them, be willing to denounce that elected official if necessary, and start judging people according to their actions, policies, and the company they
Well if you agree with Chomsky you should check into libertarian socialism which is what Chomsky advocates.
Libertarian socialism was the real libertarian movement before American right wingers appropriated that term for their authoritarian ideas.
Capitalism is not libertarian, it's authoritarian.
Man: What's the difference between "libertarian" and "anarchist," exactly?
Chomsky: There's no difference, really. I think they're the same thing. But you see, "libertarian" has a special meaning in the United States.
The United States is off the spectrum of the main tradition in this respect: what's called "libertarianism" here is unbridled capitalism.
Now, that's always been opposed in the European libertarian tradition, where every anarchist has been a socialist—because the point is, if you
have unbridled capitalism, you have all kinds of authority: you have extreme authority.
Well you should probably re-read your constitution then eh, it apparently disagrees with everything you have said. Still though you are perfectly
well within your right to interpret it anyway you see fit of course, regardless of how wrong that may be.
Take it easy.
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What, given a chance/opportunity, would you do about it. You've recognized the problem, what would you do. Or, what should "we" do about
Stand up and shout it from the rooftops.....
Overthrow the den of vipers that are backing this stuff.......
I don't know.
What can we do? My only ideas are (and have been):
don't go to work,
stop filing your tax return,
boycott businesses that lobby to keep this administration in power.
And don't vote (yes, I realize that if we don't vote, it falls to Congress to decide, which scares the bejeeburs out of me)...
What do you suggest?
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Anyway, it's been obvious to me that all of the bad things that the Bush administration was up to as far as war crimes, violations of civil
rights, and the militarization of the World goes, the Obama administration has been doubling down on.
I was uncertain where to post this thread. I thought of the 'Breaking' threads, but this forum seemed more appropriate.
I'm glad that at least many members that I respect have responded.
ANOK, I actually thought that you might have noticed my many posts and threads that already promote those ideals.
I'm not the center of the universe, or the focus of anyone's attention. But, I try, in my small way, to contribute to the cause. I'm a
'Progressive' and also a 'Democratic Socialist', and have starred MANY of your posts.
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