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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 07:48 AM
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If this is in the wrong forum, please accept my apologies and move to the appropriate one.



WASHINGTON — Russia has sent advanced antiship cruise missiles to Syria, a move that illustrates the depth of its support for the Syrian government led by President Bashar al-Assad, American officials said Thursday.


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So apparently Russia is making a move that will put a crimp into any thoughts of a naval blockade. A mobile anti-ship "cruise" type missile platform which can be guided at range but also has it's own guidance to avoid defensive measures.

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So now Russia has upped the ante a little bit. I wonder what the Israelies will think of this move. We all know SoS Kerry has stated that he would prefer Russia not arm Assad but apparently they aren't listening.

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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 08:12 AM
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This is actually very interesting Russia is playing with America and Israel, I bet American diplomats are the punch line of a lot of jokes right now in diplomatic circles.

America has screwed up big time with their foreign policy in Syria however so far Russia’s has been rather successful. So what does America do?

Obama sends John Kerry off to Moscow with his tail between his legs asking for Russian help, Putin then insults the American administration by making Kerry wait hours before he will see him, something that is quite unprecedented. So after that at the end of this meeting between the two Kerry emerges and announces to the word that Russia and America are working together as partners in to resolve the Syrian Civil war. This comment made me spit out my coffee their interests in Syria could hardly be more at odds, I was almost embarrassed for the American’s when I heard this, he is either a idiot or was just to embarrassed to admit that Putin told him to piss-off

And now just to kick em when they’re down, Russia sends off a few of these S-300 missiles to Assad, even after America, Israel (who sent Benjamin Netanyahu) and co beg Putin not to, just to add insult to America’s failure.

Putin must be sitting back right now with a big glass of Vodka laughing at how pathetic they were to all go begging to him because they can’t manages their own foreign affairs.

This is a interesting take on things form the BBC.


The Yakhont is a radar-guided, supersonic anti-shipping missile designed for coastal defence. Depending upon its trajectory it has a range of between 120 and 300 km (75-186 miles).

US reports stress the ability this gives to the Assad government to push hostile naval forces away from Syria's shores. But the real significance of these reports, if true, is twofold. Firstly they show Russia's continuing desire to ensure that there be no Western intervention in Syria along the lines of what happened in Libya. Russian naval deployments in the Mediterranean back up this view.

But equally the real concern about the Yakhont may be their potential transfer to Syria's Lebanese ally Hezbollah. Israel has made it clear that a transfer of the Yakhont represents a red line that could prompt more air strikes against Syrian arms depots.


BBC News
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 08:17 AM
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Not a good week for the US/Israeli war criminals...

Unmoved by Israel, Russia will send top air-defense system to Assad

If you take a look at the pictures you can tell that Putin is not impressed with Bibi's attempts to lecture him in his own office...at least Putin had the balls to stand up to Bibi, unlike Obama...anyone remember Bibi lecturing Obama in the oval office ?



Just another day in this complicated game of chess. I am still laughing at those who thought Russia would just "give up" on Syria.

With these new missiles and the air defense system on the way, Israel and the rest of the war mongers may think twice before performing unjustified air strikes on a sovereign nation.
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 08:20 AM
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Is Syria really worth going through with if we are going to piss off Russia in the meantime? NO.....EFF NO!!!

Tell Israel to stand down and leave it alone.....This is not worth creating a war between Russia/China and the US.....The US will not win this one....I don't want any part of it for the sake of bombing freaking Syria....



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 08:24 AM
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We are of the same mind. It is like the US has "stepped in it" and is frantically looking around for a stick to wipe it off with.

How SoS Kerry says that we are both in cooperation is beyond me when it is clear that the US and Russia are not of the same mind.

Embarrassing...



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 08:27 AM
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Yep. Wonder if Bibi will launch air strikes on these systems. Probably not unless they wish to go "full bore".

It is a mess that we need to back away from IMHO.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 08:42 AM
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This is just another escalation of the Proxy war mindset that the various powers are playing. Typically though, no one (particually NATO) learned the lessons from the last one. Think Russia back in the 80's and Afghanistan. The U.S. and Vietnam in the 70's.

And the circle has been completed...again.

Meanwhile, China as usual, just kicks back and watches to see were an advantage may open up.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 08:45 AM
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Those type missiles will not be allowed to get to the Syrian forces....
Israel will take them out because they have no choice.
Without air superiority israel is up the creek......
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 09:03 AM
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Bibi has already warned Putin that Israel will hit any missile systems coming into Syria from anywhere. Putin does not care as long as he gets paid for them
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Israel can jam any missile system anyway but they would rather not have to deal with another problem when trying to strike targets inside Syria or Iran. Not to mention these are a threat to U.S. ships in the area.

Putin is the one screwing up because he wants Israeli defense tech but he wont get any now. Israel doesn't want another Hezbollah on its borders. It would rather have a dumb weak Assad.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 09:21 AM
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no they cant. They cant really do much against the s400... bibi should be glad that putin isnt placing any s400 in syria for the right price. But the spetz are there...

Bibi went to talk to Putin as if he was talking to the usual israel's lapdogs... well Putin doesnt give a crap about Israel or Bibi and they scare him as much as chihuaua scares a german sheppard. The bear cares about nothing but himself.

But I did like the "public interview" with the usual handshake where Putin once again showed what a real leader of a super power should do when someone comes to ask something from you that you dont agree with and you're not even close to negotiate - the hand shake was pretty clear "No, but thanks for coming little one. You get a 1+ for effort - now there's your plane, on you go"

EDIT: oh btw... regarding "putin wants israeli defense tech and he wont be getting any now", look... if putin really decides to sponsor the enemies of Israel, there wont be any Israel left. What... you think Israel is a match for Russia?
really? Israel is 21,000 km²... seriously. Israel owes its existence to the US... if the US were to leave Israel to fend for themselves like bibi told the US congress "you dont need to send us troops to israel we defend ourselves", which btw was a really offensive speech to any american yet he got a round of applause and a standing ovation for that crap - bunch of lapdogs , there wouldnt be any Israel.
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EDIT2: "Bibi has warned Putin" ...
I cant get enough of this...
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 09:23 AM
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The Russian/Georgian war of 2008 for example, didn't exactly end well for CIA

But with all fairness these missles should not be sent , all military contracts with Syria should be suspended.
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by stirling
Those type missiles will not be allowed to get to the Syrian forces....
Israel will take them out because they have no choice.
Without air superiority israel is up the creek......
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Sure they will and I hope those S300 come in a convoy officially under the Russian Federation flag...



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 09:44 AM
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I agree but that is not what is happening! What is happening is Russia wants to keep Syria safe, Israel (America) don't....So why piss off Russia to flex your muscles? Just stay away from this situation in my mind and respect Russia! America does not want the war with Russia and China......Not to mention because of freaking Syria!! If there is an issue between the USA and Russia, that is a different situation but don't start on this road because of Syria....In my eyes of course!



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:00 AM
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People should not be trusting the BS, or defending the actions, of any government in this scenario.

America will do what it wants to do for military advantage or corporate profits. Russia will do whatever it wants to do for expanse of power and influence.

Neither is a good side to support.

The people we should be supporting and thinking about are the innocent people in Syria having to deal with what's going on around them. Those are the victims here.

And when it comes to people defending Assad, I wish people would stop being so idiotic in their defence of a despot, simply because they see it as an opportunity to stick their middle finger up at the US and Israel!

I don't trust any of those governments either, but the victims here are the people in Syria, they're not just dead bodies to be ignored while the world follows this story like it's a f'ing soap opera.

Like it or not, Assad's forces HAVE murdered people. It might be true that there are terrorists fighting back. It might be true that the US and Israel want to destabilize the country... none of this changes the fact that Assad's forces have murdered people (for which there is clear evidence) and there are hundreds of thousands of victims in Syria who are targets for one group or another.

A child has no political affiliation and knows nothing about the wishes of the USA, Russia, Israel, Assad or the rebels.

The only people who should be supported in all of this are the victims in Syria who just want to live their lives in peace but are being murdered by all sides.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:01 AM
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Assad, Sadam and good ol' Gadafi are/were all bastards, however maybe some countries need that kind of leadership. What is worse, Assad's little dicatorship or Islamic jihadi extremists running the show? When this all started I was of course with the people of Syria and I felt exitement for them as freedom was so close. But now so many different jihadi battalions are entrenched within the Free Syria Army, to me Assad is the better of the two. Putin would have said to Kerry, "WTF, you guys backin terrorists now?!" And Kerry would have replied "Did'nt you get the memo?"



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:02 AM
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Russia china and Iran are not so happy with what is going on in Syria.Interferences of foreign powers in a country by the use of terror and violence are strongly condemned by the International laws and in every ones book....This shameless parade of insanity will not go on for much longer....People are awakening,.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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Are the children that Assad kills different from the palestinian children that Israel kills?

The difference is the light on Assad's spotlight is much stronger. To be fair, Assad cant kill as much people as Israel even if he wants to - which he does not - of course the rule is always to demonize your enemy, strip him of any human quality or trait so it will be easy to conduct or engage in ruthless and mindless acts against him, because hes evil and your evils suddenly turn right - I know how it works - because hey, if you see him having any kind of normal human behavior, and especially when theres people that like him, then you start to question your motives - of course he murdered people, so did lyndon johnson, reagan too, so did Bush sr, and his son, and every damn leader in human history. I'm not saying its right, I'm saying its a "common occurrence".

I'm not "pro-" anyone... I'm pro-retribution, and for Israel is long due. Syria, Russia (directly or by proxy), Iran, US (by doing nothing to protect them), I dont care who makes them pay, as long as someone does. It doesnt even have to be someone I like! Just as long justice is done.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:24 AM
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I agree but same could be said of Syrian,Iranian support for terrorist groups in Israel.
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by all2human
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I agree but same could be said of Syrian,Iranian support for terrorist groups in Israel.
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See? There we go again... Why didnt you call them "resistance movements"? Because its Israel and Israel is suppose to be the "good guys"? When "terrorists" in Syria are called "freedom fighters" or "the resistance" or the "Free Syrian Army" since "Syria" are the "bad guys"?

Well the reality is; in Israel we have people held hostage (in gaza) and others trying to resist Israeli aggressive occupation (another kind of terrorists called "settlers" often accompanied by armed escorts and outposts), while in Syria we have terrorists fighting a legitimate national army.

I guess its a matter of perception right?
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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Assad is still an official head of a state and there are so many Syrians along with other nations who do not wish Syria to be butchered and divided by a bunch of western backed terrorist monsters.That is just absurd...Wrong is wrong whether Iran does it or the US or anybody else.





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