Originally posted by TheMagus
Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by TheMagus
You do realize that people make stuff up don't you?
Then my friend show evidence that the report and the items are real.....
edit on 17/5/13 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)
don't misunderstand, while i enjoy luxus' threads, i'm well aware that "people make stuff up"
[academics, among them], and am inclined towards diatoms/sealife myself, in this case.
the spirals and nano-bits may have a natural explanation as well [waiting ...]
just pointing out that someone of your credibility,and reputation for scholarship
should refrain from using such "debating tactics"
as they have no place in any serious search for truth
scientific or otherwise.
indeed, the only debates where such tactics/tricks have any place are political and religious ones [including scientism]
known purveyors of error and BS...
Ancient machine gears embedded in rock? Nope. Crinoid fossils.
(Update: hoax) March 10, 2012By idoubtit Brazil Weird News: Machine dated at 400 million years found in Russia. In the remote Kamchatka peninsula, 200 km from Tigil, University of St. Petersburg archaeologists discovered a strange fossil. The authenticity of the find has been certified. According archaeologist Yuri Golubev, occurs that, in this case the discovery surprised scientists by its nature, at least – unusual, able to change history (or pre-history).
It is not the first time that is an artifact, an ancient object, something like this is found in that region. But, surprisingly conserved, this specific artifact is – at first glance, inlaid in rock (which is understandable since the peninsula is home to numerous volcanoes). Subjected to analysis, the conjunct showed to be made of metal parts that seem to form a mechanism, a gear which may be of a type of watch or computer. The astonishing is that all the pieces were dated in 400 million!
Tip: Tim Farley This made me laugh out loud when I saw it. As a geologist, I IMMEDIATELY recognized these as pieces of crinoid stems, remarkably abundant fossils found in marine deposits all over the world. The stem is made from these stacked plates that disarticulate but preserve well. Who could make such a rookie mistake? Well, lots of things coming out of Russia these days are hyped for tourism and publicity. I’m not sure what the background is here but it is not the first time that fossils were misinterpreted as things they may resemble but certainly are not.
Originally posted by AuranVector
reply to post by LUXUS
S&F I don't know if the first photo is of "fossilized crinoids," but I am very open to the fact that we humans know next to nothing of our real history.
Right now, I'm reading "The Hidden History of the Human Race: The Condensed Edition of Forbidden Archeology" by Cremo & Thompson. Some of the examples they cite are mindblowing in their antiquity, such as a metal sphere with three perfect machined grooves around its equator found embedded in a Precambrian mineral deposit dated at 2.8 BILLION years.
Of course, the Establishment shills will come out to p*$$ on these examples, but that's what they do -- defend the status quo to the death. God forbid they think outside the box -- they might lose tenure.
Heinrich notes that one of Michael Cremo's sources regarding the allegedly anomalous spheres was the Weekly World News, a satirical tabloid, which he described as "...a [sic] unreliable source of data for discussing the origins of the South African spheres described as used by Forbidden Archeology". As noted by Cairncross, it appears that the source of the Weekly World News article is an earlier article by Barritt. This article appeared in a 1982 issue of Scope magazine about these objects. Scope was a South African tabloid-style magazine that, like the Weekly World News, cannot be regarded as being a credible source.
Originally posted by GargIndia
Vedic belief that humans have been there on this planet for 1.96 billion years is too much for the
Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by Harte
What two of you ganging up on me, no fair bah, bah, Nah seriously I am certain I read they dated organic material in the concretion and it was the cause of the dating error (When it was supposedly dated independently they sent samples off to a laboratory).
No I am not going to bother searching for hours for the story, The nit picking has got to stop except when it is a tick if you catch my analogy (Just got an image of chimps eating fleas off one another).
God you must be bored come on you have been aware of this subject by your own admission longer than most here Harte so give us something that genuinely mystifies you as there must be something that does.
sorry to rib you there Harte and you are also 100% correct but like I said there was talk of dating at a laboratory of sample's that came back over 500,000 years, come to think of it though as you know carbon dating is not able to date more than a couple of thousand years with any accuracy and argon krypton is also not that accurate or that long range so maybe my memory is faulty (I am probably going to search for that page now).
Following its collection, Mikesell destroyed a diamond-edged blade cutting through the rock containing the artifact and discovered the item.
“In the opinion of one trained geologist, it has taken at least 500,000 years for this nodule to attain its present form — and yet, when we cut it open, we discovered a manmade object within the geode's cavity.”
The identity of the alleged trained geologist and his means of dating the nodule were never clarified, and his findings were never published in any known periodical. Furthermore, at the time that Maxey reported the Coso Artifact as having been dated as being 500,000 years old, there was no known method, including the use of guide fossils, by which either the artifact or concretion could have been dated as being this old. The nodule surrounding the spark plug may have accreted in a matter of years or decades, as demonstrated by examples of very similar iron or steel artifact-bearing nodules, which are discussed and illustrated by Cronyn.
Whereas the surveyeying of the terrain, the establishment of the contours of the foundation and the disposition of the objects in the interior of the house represent a real architectural achievement, the structure of the floor which overlies the foundation and consolidates all the constructional elements at once shows a significant technological discovery already made at the beginning of Phase Ia.
The floors of the houses in the Lepenski Vir I settlement are of exceptional construction. Their basic mass is composed of the sandy, marly red limestone which is found above Lepenski Vir itself on the jagged slopes of the Koršo hills. Laboratory analysis of the floors shows that they possess the so-called residual magnetism which is a consequence of baking.
This in practice means that the preparation of the flooring for the houses followed a regular technological procedure; the local red limestone was baked, and then by adding water, sand and gravel a viscous mass was obtained with the qualities of lime mortar.
This mass was poured over the foundation of the house and all the constructional details - the stone blocks which form the hearth, the thresholds, the rounded boulder in the centre and the stone slabs which line the post holes for the supports of the upper construction - were all embedded in it.
It was then smoothed before it hardened, and in some houses the floor was subsequently decorated with a thin red or white polished composition. Only after a certain time, when all moisture had dried out, did the floor attain the necessary firmness which meant it could be trodden on and used for daily living. Today it seems petrified, like natural breccia.
This appears to be one of the world's first uses of lime mortar, in this case as a floor covering, not as mortar between bricks or stones.
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
-- Ecclesiastes 1:9 -11
Originally posted by LUXUS
Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by LUXUS
Yep Luxus why don't you spend a few minutes and look of the vast amount of debunking on this?
Try debunking the second pic in my OP