After a Week of Silence How Orbital's falling satellite sparked a UFO mystery in South America.

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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 02:20 AM
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After a Week of Silence How Orbital's falling satellite sparked a UFO mystery in South America. An Overview
How Orbital's falling satellite sparked a UFO mystery in South America

The NBC article has taken the same video as the slate article coincidence or bad journalism? '

There was a swarm of lights that appeared in the skies over Argentina and Chile on May 9th, 2013. This video shows the swarm, or cluster of shining lights from three different cameras; it seems to me that the first two are from Argentina and the third is from Chile.

After a Week of Silence by the MSM the only one single mainstream news outlet that is getting into the discussion of UFO sighting on May 9/10 is NBC. Before we get into it.

The Overview of the Sighting.

On May 11 ATS board member Bybyots posted a video of an UFO from Argentina
The board member had stated.
Swarm of Lights Appear Over Argentina and Chile And Is Filmed From Six Cameras



There was a swarm of lights that appeared in the skies over Argentina and Chile on May 9th, 2013. This video shows the swarm, or cluster of shining lights from three different cameras; it seems to me that the first two are from Argentina and the third is from Chile.


The UFO object had being witnessed in two South American countries in the skies above Argentina and Chile at night. There has being multiple eye witness accounts regarding the UFO.

After a week of the UFO sighting over Argentina and Chile no major news outlets have touched the sighting. Expect slate and NBC, whom have used one single.
To justify and to clam the mass public that it was just the Slow moving object debris as Cygnus mass as an simulator.

Before the NBC had created an article there was another article by slate.

Slate Article on the UFO.
The article was written by Phil and has being posted 5 days ago.



It’s with some relief I can say that’s not a fleet of alien spaceships bent on either enslaving the human race or possibly eating us. It's not even a swarm of meteors: what you're actually seeing there is a satellite dramatically breaking up as it re-enters the Earth’s atmosphere. And it’s even been identified: it was the Cygnus mass simulator, a payload lofted into space by the Antares rocket in April!


And it’s even been identified: it was the Cygnus mass simulator, a payload lofted into space by the Antares rocket in April!

So is the NBC article reporting something new or is it just copying what the slate had reported as well?



The spacecraft was a dummy payload, which was launched into orbit on April 21 aboard Orbital's newly developed Antares booster during its maiden flight. The satellite's primary purpose was to simulate the mass of the company's Cygnus cargo capsule, which will eventually be launched by the Antares to resupply the International Space Station. Orbital never intended the Cygnus Mass Simulator to stay in space. Its orbit gradually decayed over the course of more than two weeks, and on the night of May 9-10 it finally made its descent through the atmosphere. As it fell, aerodynamic forces heated it up, and tore it apart. It broke into several dozen flaming fireballs, streaking together from horizon to horizon across the evening skies of Chile and Argentina.


Although the six videos dont show several dozen flaming fireballs as space debris dont fall so slow. In other terms NBC is basically copying what slate has posted so in other words nothing new, the videos slate and NBC have both used is the following one.



One interesting video from the thread.


The video
UFO Over Argentina And Chile-Ovnis En Argenitna y Chile 09/05/2013 ovnis Neuquén has some several interesting details about the object for example.

On 0:27 seconds in the video we can some lights flickering in the object at the bottom of the hull. So again if this was indeed an Orbital falling satellite how is it even possible? and if it is.

Why are the debunkers now spreading the official mainstream version to different social sites, media sites such as YouTube?




This is CYGNUS MASS SIMULATOR disintegrating on upper atmosphere 05/10/13 01:30 UTC. Was launched by Antares rocket, this is what you see in the video: 4.bp.blogspot.com/-t2U_byj3lwQ­/UY_ZFT-kenI/AAAAAAAAKUE/qilEz­hKtRwo/s1600/CygnusSimulator.j­pg 2.bp.blogspot.com/-tUmxZvZQqI0­/UY_aiza-jmI/AAAAAAAAKUU/jeoqf­jX7-0g/s1600/Antares-Payload-S­eparation.jpg



Cygnus Mass Simulator Cover?
Awesome Image from Space: Cygnus Mass Simulator Separates from Orbital’s Antares Rocket

Mass Simulator Meant to Stay in Space for Several Months.



Orbital says that both the mass simulator and the upper stage are expected to stay in orbit for several months before their orbits degrade, causing them to re-enter and burn up in the atmosphere.


In other terms if the Cygnus Mass Simulator was expected to stay in orbit for several months before their orbits degrade, causing them to re-enter and burn up in the atmosphere. Why are the debunkers claiming this was indeed the Cygnus Mass Simulator? Space debris nor meteors dont fall slow as such.

For a space debris which had being witnessed in two countries and several thousand+ eye witness accounts including some drawings of how the eye witness had seen the object.

From the NBC article.




Was the Pentagon in the dark?

It didn't help that the U.S. Strategic Command apparently misidentified the object in orbit. In advance of re-entry, the Pentagon's space catalog listed it as a tiny test satellite that should have burned up without a trace.

An misidentified the object in orbit as a mere simple tiny test satellite that should have burned up without a trace? sadly i am not buying this.

In other words the official story they want us to believe that the object that was witnessed in two south American countries was a simple tiny satellite that fall slow


Yet do you still believe the official story?
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 03:32 AM
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Great research! I must admit, well done.

There is lots of things to talk about nowadays, including this one too. But yes, mainstrea media is somewhat blind on such subjects. Even if its a plain ridicule.

Your example of research is very good. IMHO it is the best example on how to take mainstream news. Do you own research, don't buy a lies by MSM!



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 04:09 AM
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nice research,enjoyed reading it.
i dont think it was space debris burning up either.lasted too long and wasnt any trails coming of it as far as i could see.the fact they left it a week before reporting about it strikes meas a little odd aswell



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 04:50 AM
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Which makes you wonder if it was an UFO from the secret space program as in the videos it seems they might have ran into the problems of cloaking or the ship was damaged during the test.

Sounds as if they might have a base somewhere in south america.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 05:04 AM
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It is clearly something breaking up while burning high in the atmosphere, it is not slow at all, concidering it's hight it is very fast moving when crossing the sky, it might be "slow" relativ to a meteor.

If you don't believe the official story, what do you suggest it is?



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by Mianeye
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It is clearly something breaking up while burning high in the atmosphere, it is not slow at all, concidering it's hight it is very fast moving when crossing the sky, it might be "slow" relativ to a meteor.

If you don't believe the official story, what do you suggest it is?


Again if its something breaking up while burning high in the atmosphere where is its trail? usually space debris have trails as a comet,meteor does. What makes you think it was an satellite? yet as i posted in the thread that mass satellite has meant to stay in orbit for about month so why has the MSM came to this conclusion?




If you don't believe the official story, what do you suggest it is?

I already suggested on what it could be in my first second post.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 05:30 AM
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I already suggested on what it could be in my first second post.


yes you did.


Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by flana23
 


Which makes you wonder if it was an UFO from the secret space program as in the videos it seems they might have ran into the problems of cloaking or the ship was damaged during the test.

Sounds as if they might have a base somewhere in south america.
But you still suggest it is something(now secret space program) breaking up, but wouldn't that also make trails, or can we conclude that not all space debris make trails when they burn up in the atmosphere, or that the videos simply did not capture the trails cause of darkness?



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by Mianeye
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I already suggested on what it could be in my first second post.


yes you did.


Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by flana23
 


Which makes you wonder if it was an UFO from the secret space program as in the videos it seems they might have ran into the problems of cloaking or the ship was damaged during the test.

Sounds as if they might have a base somewhere in south america.
But you still suggest it is something(now secret space program) breaking up, but wouldn't that also make trails, or can we conclude that not all space debris make trails when they burn up in the atmosphere, or that the videos simply did not capture the trails cause of darkness?




breaking up, but wouldn't that also make trails, or can we conclude that not all space debris make trails when they burn up in the atmosphere, or that the videos simply did not capture the trails cause of darkness?

Now your trying backtrack on my own statement agaisnt the statement of the Orbital satellite. Again it depends but as for my statement onto the this object which again i highly doubt its an Orbital's falling satellite due to the flickering lights, this object also could have being an damaged space ship with its cloaking being damaged.

Or its hull, possibly due to the meteors as suggested by others.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 06:00 AM
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The video that shows "the flickering light at 00:27" is of low quality, to me it looks like the video creates this, when comparing to the other videos, there seem to be no flickering lights, just small parts of debris igniting as they tumble through the atmosphere.

I am not sure what you mean about the hull, as it seems there are no big parts visible, but hard to see as this is way up in the sky, and videos has no zoom in to verify, what i mean is i only see relativly small parts of debris.

I still like you questioning of this, so i am not trying to debunk, i am just asking questions to


Btw, if it's not the Orbital's Sattelite, that thing must still be up there, would it be posible to hide that sattelite since it is still going to enter the atmosphere at some point?
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 07:21 AM
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Btw, if it's not the Orbital's Sattelite, that thing must still be up there, would it be posible to hide that sattelite since it is still going to enter the atmosphere at some point?

Yes they did stated that the Orbital's Sattelite, would enter the atmosphere at some point but not on May 6 if you look at the original thread of the object on pages 17 through 20. ATS users were even phoning those space trackers etc, yet not single of them have returned there call.

Yet the the fact they left it a week before reporting about it as the member suggested says otherwise.

Usually the MSM first reports these sort of stories but yet thus far only slate and NBC news have picked on it, what NBC reported is what slate has reported.

So in the NBC article, there was nothing new. Ironic they used just a single clip of the object for there news article.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:24 AM
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"For a space debris which had being witnessed in two countries and several thousand+ eye witness accounts including some drawings of how the eye witness had seen the object."

This could be very important, please post links to these drawings!



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Mianeye
Btw, if it's not the Orbital's Sattelite, that thing must still be up there, would it be posible to hide that sattelite since it is still going to enter the atmosphere at some point?


An EXCELLENT question! What's the proposed excuse for this?



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 11:09 AM
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The development of the story can be traced easily.

DAY 1:
Youtube uploads begin


Entry noted and identified by amateur space tracking network:
SeeSat-L May-13 satobs.org...
scroll down to read entries for May 10-11, particularly from ted molczan

Newspaper clippings in Chile, Argentina [search "OVNI Chile", for example]


DAY 2: First on-line reference in a formal space-topic blog

Sunday, May 12, 2013 // Posted by JackKennedy at 2:10 PM
Cygnus simulator makes spectacular re-entry
spaceports.blogspot.com...

The first test flight of the Orbital Sciences Corporation Antares booster carried a dummy payload satellite with the same mass as a Cygnus to orbit testing the rocket systems successfully April 21, 2013 from Wallops Island, Virginia, leading to the spectacular re-entry over Chile and Argentina. 
  Many in South America witnessed the Cygnus mass simulator satellite dramatically breaking up as it re-enters the Earth’s atmosphere last Thursday evening, May 9, 2013, catching it on a video camera.



DAY 3
SLATE story based on Molczan's work at seesat page published.

Television coverage at launch site:
Payload from Wallops Island launch burns up as it returns to earth (Video)
wtkr.com...

Posted on: 3:38 pm, May 11, 2013, by Matt Knight, updated on: 03:40pm, May 11, 2013



worldwide space discussion group begins analyzing the story
forum.nasaspaceflight.com...
[note specific interest in how long object was expected to stay in orbit,
and early entry prediction was based on assuming object 2013-016A
was the payload -- later shown to have been a bookkeeping error]



DAY 4
NBC News story with on-the-record interview with Orbital Sciences spokesman, prepared
[delayed to await fuller response from USSTRATCOM -- in hindsight a mistake]
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 12:14 PM
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It seems i am getting attacking just because i had provided an research thread with facts, links. I know what attacking looks like and respected ATS mods with respects i am not attacking anyone or any member however JimOberg on the other hand has provided no facts other then insults to the thread.

An example.



"For a space debris which had being witnessed in two countries and several thousand+ eye witness accounts including some drawings of how the eye witness had seen the object."

This could be very important, please post links to these drawings!

I am surprised Jim for a member who has posted more posts on the Swarm of Lights Appear Over Argentina and Chile And Is Filmed From Six Cameras thread then myself included you come onto this thread attacking it and me.

Yet at the thread Swarm of Lights Appear Over Argentina and Chile And Is Filmed From Six Cameras several users already had provided the drawings on how the eyewitness had seen it.

I am hardly surprised you completely missed it. And Jim i am not to sure what your trying to accomplish with the three day comparisons but thats not going to work.




DAY 2: First on-line reference in a formal space-topic blog Sunday, May 12, 2013 // Posted by JackKennedy at 2:10 PM Cygnus simulator makes spectacular re-entry spaceports.blogspot.com...


So from a simple blogpost titled Spacesport which supposedly tracks satellites? yeah i am quite sure thats 100% accurate.




Sunday, May 12, 2013 Cygnus simulator makes spectacular re-entry The first test flight of the Orbital Sciences Corporation Antares booster carried a dummy payload satellite with the same mass as a Cygnus to orbit testing the rocket systems successfully April 21, 2013 from Wallops Island, Virginia, leading to the spectacular re-entry over Chile and Argentina. Many in South America witnessed the Cygnus mass simulator satellite dramatically breaking up as it re-enters the Earth’s atmosphere last Thursday evening, May 9, 2013, catching it on a video camera.


And then you provided.



DAY 3 SLATE story based on Molczan's work at seesat page published. worldwide space discussion group begins analyzing the story forum.nasaspaceflight.com... [note specific interest in how long object was expected to stay in orbit, and early entry prediction was based on assuming object 2013-016A was the payload -- later shown to have been a bookkeeping error]


In the article that i had provided it stated the Cygnus mass simulator would stay in orbit for several months yet at the same time just like the NBC citing the slate article.




(not sure if here is best thread, or if this should be a new thread) Quote: .... what you're actually seeing there is a satellite dramatically breaking up as it re-enters the Earth’s atmosphere. And it’s even been identified: it was the Cygnus mass simulator, a payload lofted into space by the Antares rocket in April! That was the first successful launch of the rocket by the Orbital Sciences Corporation, placing several small satellites into orbit. Eventually, the rocket will also be equipped with a cargo delivery spacecraft called Cygnus, planned to take supplies to the space station. For the first test flight on Apr. 17, Antares carried a dummy payload with the same mass as a Cygnus to test out the rocket systems.


So from the quick viewing and the slowing moving object witnessed in two countries they already had identified as the Cygnus mass?




...Tip o’ the probe to my friend and space historian James Oberg for alerting me to this, and to the folks (including Ted Molczan) at the SatObs SeeSat forum for the quick work identifying the debris.


How do you explain the lack of news coverage? the flickering lights no trail behind the object?


If trolling me by attacking me the way and the reason i made this thread for users who want to compare it to the UFO event seems to bother you why did you even reply?


If you want to bring something to discuss to the thread other then the insults or attacks on other members you have to provide with something better then what you already have presented.
No offense mods i meant offense to the member but when i see that i am getting attacked i know how it looks like.

If a mod has a problem with this post move it as an off topic. But again i meant no offense.
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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I could wind up looking REALLY foolish -- not for the first time -- but I just cannot find those 'drawings' of the May 9 object by witnesses in Chile and Argentina. Please lead me by the hand, or nose as preferred, to where they can be seen. Dang.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by JimOberg
I could wind up looking REALLY foolish -- not for the first time -- but I just cannot find those 'drawings' of the May 9 object by witnesses in Chile and Argentina. Please lead me by the hand, or nose as preferred, to where they can be seen. Dang.


Is that right? from the original thread on the UFO event you made several claims.


The NBC story was held up at least two days trying to winkle a more helpful answer out of USSTRATCOM PAO in Omaha. This is all they had provided, directing me to a website for which I do not have a password.: From: Murdock Stephanie NMI LCDR USSTRATCOM/J020 To: 'jameseoberg@comcast.net' Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:41 AM Subject: Re-entry question


So let me get this straight the NBC story was held up at least two days trying to winkle a more helpful answer out of USSTRATCOM PAO in Omaha? thats highly unbelievable. And unlikely.


You then provided forum posts from that NASAspace forum.



MrBouboua 2 days ago The UFO video from Argentina (1st part) seems real (huge mship). But the video from Chile (last one) is damn fake and was surely made by glass reflection from the original one! It's the usual effort of disinformation whenever there's a proof of a real big thing showing-up


Even in that forum members admit the object moves to slow.



svirrsvarr 3 days ago Not meteorites, way to slow to be that, and they are traveling straight horizontally.


Yet just like Slate they take as a Space satellite decay space debris that moves slow? thats a first time i heard of as such which makes it unlikely.

The drawings are from 7 to 13 i believe.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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Another Small addition to the thread.

A member at the thread Swarm of Lights Appear Over Argentina and Chile And Is Filmed From Six Cameras had posted a great example of what an sat re-entry looks like.


How on Earth can you possibly say with any degree of certainty what type of craft 'they' have, second it honestly does look to me like a satellite breaking up and reentering. No one can say what trajectory, speed, angle, height or anything this/these objects are, eyes can deceive. Stop pretending you know what this isn't!



In the footage we see a comet like trail even though its not an come its a Russian satellite breaking up and reentering into the atmosphere at a fast rate.

Yet in Argentina and Chile they expect to make us believe what crashed landed was an actual failing satellite.



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Even in that forum members admit the object moves to slow.



svirrsvarr 3 days ago Not meteorites, way to slow to be that, and they are traveling straight horizontally.


Yet just like Slate they take as a Space satellite decay space debris that moves slow? thats a first time i heard of as such which makes it unlikely.

The drawings are from 7 to 13 i believe.


Again, how did you determine the speed and distance?

The objects in the OP videos appear to be moving just as "slow" as the one in your last post, which you say is a Russian satellite breaking up on re-entry. Here's another example of a "slow" satellite re-entry.



So tell me again how the South American objects are moving too "slow" to be a satellite breaking up on re-entry.
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posted on May, 17 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
The drawings are from 7 to 13 i believe.


I'm sorry, that means nothing to me. Can anybody explain it to me, please?

Where are the drawings?



posted on May, 17 2013 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by draknoir2

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Even in that forum members admit the object moves to slow.



svirrsvarr 3 days ago Not meteorites, way to slow to be that, and they are traveling straight horizontally.


Yet just like Slate they take as a Space satellite decay space debris that moves slow? thats a first time i heard of as such which makes it unlikely.

The drawings are from 7 to 13 i believe.


Again, how did you determine the speed and distance?

The objects in the OP videos appear to be moving just as "slow" as the one in your last post, which you say is a Russian satellite breaking up on re-entry. Here's another example of a "slow" satellite re-entry.



So tell me again how the South American objects are moving too "slow" to be a satellite breaking up on re-entry.
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Again , how did you determine the speed and distance that it was the Orbital's falling satellite by looking at the videos? few other users nor Jim still haven't explained the flickering lights.




Here's another example of a "slow" satellite re-entry.

Yeah thats how supposed an satellite re-entry should look with a comet like trail but lets all ignore the facts.
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