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Originally posted by esdad71
If I have to hear one more person state that the exit polls were different from the true polls, i will die laughing. Do you actually put more faith in exit polls than our current voting system?
From above article
Professor Rubin's report called the Diebold system "far below even the most minimal security standards applicable in other contexts", and said that reliance on electronic voting systems such as Diebold's "places our very democracy at risk".
From Professor Pedro A. D. Rezende *
Dept. of Computer Science - University of Brasilia
January 2002 Law 10.408 was so enacted, under the constitutional provision that elections for public offices in Brazil be regulated by federal legislation . Law 10.408 set voter verifiability in a manner that each voter was to see his or her choices printed on a slip of paper, behind a transparent window.
When confirmed, the vote slip would be inserted into a sealed bag, without voter interference (vv), and the bag properly handled for later audit against electronic tally by sampling, or for possible recount. According to the original bill, this print-show-collect mechanism was to be added on to all DRE machines in use, from the following election onward. The random choice of which machines were to be sampled, for regular auditing purposes, was to be made after the election time period, as would be in any meaningful audit measure of this sort.
According to at least three sources, one inside the Kerry campaign, and two outside of it, but with ties to senior Kerry advisers, some of the "early polling numbers" were in fact direct reports from Kerry campaign or Democratic Party operatives on the ground in such critical states as Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, and Wisconsin. According to a Washington lobbyist with knowledge of the numbers, the numbers were packaged together so as to appear to be exit poll results. They were then scrubbed through several sources to land in the lap of sympathetic bloggers who these operatives believed would put the numbers up with little question.
Exit polls are a wonderful advantage in providing context and texture
If it benefits Bush (of course it does) then what??? This may be the beginning of the civil war prophesies talk about. who knows.
Originally posted by sardion2000
I said this before and I'll say this again, we are all gonna be very shock when the freedom of information request for ALL of the US's voting records(done be Blackboxvoting.org) turns up massive irregularities all over(due to buggy E-Voting Software). Whether it be irregulatities that benefit Bush or Kerry this election needs to be validated either way.(just so we all can have peace of mind)
[edit on 5-11-2004 by sardion2000]
Elections over. No conspiracy nothing. Just another election. Leave it alone. Bush won and you anti-Patriot pieces of poo poo can go to H E Double hockey sticks.
In the Ohio precinct in question, the votes are recorded onto a cartridge. On one of the three machines at that precinct, a malfunction occurred in the recording process, Damschroder said. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred.
The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race on the machine.
Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.
How utterly juvenile to bring typical knee-jerk partisan rhetoric into this. This issue effects us all, no matter who you or I voted for. Errors in an election process, especially on machines closed to public audit, are intolerable no matter who wins or loses. Please make an honest attempt understand the intent of covering this story, as well as our efforts to keep ATSNN threads on a more mature level.
Originally posted by pbauer (image not quoted)
Originally posted by Unnamed_One
For the majority of US politicians, I feel that they always have the best interest of their nation first and personal interests a far second.
51% is hardly a majority. I think the issue is getting muddied by knee-jerk reactions to this idea of potential vote tampering. Such "tampering" could be purposeful, or it could be accidental through software error. Either way, a republic that casts votes for their national leader needs to examine the process if there are rumors of error. (and keep that important but subtle difference in mind... the US is a "republic" not a pure democracy) I hold no illustion that uncovering the possibility massive and wide spreas error or fraud will recall the election... far from it. The intent is that, if error or fraud is discovered, it can be prevented in the next national election. It really is that simple.
Originally posted by WisdomMaster This is the message and I am happy that the majority of Americans understand it.