UKIP Leader Chased Off Streets Of Edinburgh

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by Wulfric

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Ramcheck
Please refer to your own signature.

The truth hurts.

The truth is that you are an intolerant left wing extremists who thinks he is right and that anyone who disagrees with him is evil.

God help us if bigots like you ever get any power beyond small rent a mobs.

edit on 17-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Okay thank you for your insight, Mystic Meg. I'll give you a 'Troll Star' just for turning up though.

I absolutely love the way that the popular opinion of ATS is that they are against your argument. These "troll stars" represent the opinion of ATS against your Marxist bigotry and you don't like it that people dare to disagree with you and so you laughingly call them "troll stars".

edit on 17-5-2013 by Wulfric because: (no reason given)

"Marxist Bigotry" now, that's fantastic well done, you can have a 'Troll Star' too.

While you're here though perhaps you could help me by pointing me to my 'Offending' posts?

I would absolutely take pleasure in doing so.

Far right electorate hero and despicable human being - Nigel Farage, was today sent packing after making his first ... and probably final attempt at spreading his hate campaign north of the border. The people of Scotland responded without haste...

Let's get this straight, by calling these protesters "people of Scotland" you have not condemned their irrational behaviour at all by shouting above perfectly reasonable debates in fact to me it seems like you have praised ignorance. That isn't a very good way to settle democracy, no? You could have started this with an unbiased debate but no you have as others users have pointed out used straw man arguments and belittle the popular opinion of ATS on this thread.

You are welcome to have your own opinion, but doing so with less hostility and from a more unbiased point of view would do wonders. You made it seem like your own words of him being a 'despicable' and 'far right' human being are fact by reporting it in a news-like context, trying to present opinion as fact.

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Please try to remain on topic.

UKIP's success is warning to others

Nigel Farage and his mates took the smile off the "jolly boys" in the local elections

You certainly aren't smiling.

Originally posted by Wulfric

You made it seem like your own words of him being a 'despicable' and 'far right' human being are fact by reporting it in a news-like context, trying to present opinion as fact.

Strange isn't it that a physically intimidating mob of bully boys somehow think they hold the moral high ground.

It is a disgrace that this small mob of aggressive bigots were shouting racial abuse at an English politician going about his lawful business in Edinburgh.

It is an even bigger disgrace that in their own closed minds they think they represent mainstream Scottish opinion by doing so. They most certainly do not.

Originally posted by Wulfric

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by Wulfric

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Ramcheck
Please refer to your own signature.

The truth hurts.

The truth is that you are an intolerant left wing extremists who thinks he is right and that anyone who disagrees with him is evil.

God help us if bigots like you ever get any power beyond small rent a mobs.

edit on 17-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Okay thank you for your insight, Mystic Meg. I'll give you a 'Troll Star' just for turning up though.

I absolutely love the way that the popular opinion of ATS is that they are against your argument. These "troll stars" represent the opinion of ATS against your Marxist bigotry and you don't like it that people dare to disagree with you and so you laughingly call them "troll stars".

edit on 17-5-2013 by Wulfric because: (no reason given)

"Marxist Bigotry" now, that's fantastic well done, you can have a 'Troll Star' too.

While you're here though perhaps you could help me by pointing me to my 'Offending' posts?

I would absolutely take pleasure in doing so.

Far right electorate hero and despicable human being - Nigel Farage, was today sent packing after making his first ... and probably final attempt at spreading his hate campaign north of the border. The people of Scotland responded without haste...

Let's get this straight, by calling these protesters "people of Scotland" you have not condemned their irrational behaviour at all by shouting above perfectly reasonable debates in fact to me it seems like you have praised ignorance. That isn't a very good way to settle democracy, no? You could have started this with an unbiased debate but no you have as others users have pointed out used straw man arguments and belittle the popular opinion of ATS on this thread.

You are welcome to have your own opinion, but doing so with less hostility and from a more unbiased point of view would do wonders. You made it seem like your own words of him being a 'despicable' and 'far right' human being are fact by reporting it in a news-like context, trying to present opinion as fact.

Interesting, that's a few times you mentioned 'Popular Opinion on ATS', I'm sorry I don't fit into your little bubble and clique world.

I see nothing in the TOS about having an unbiased point of view, perhaps you could help me again, and point me in that direction too.

Once again - Sigh - I did not say he was a far right human being, I said and I quote "Far right electorate hero". And given the response from the Anti-Muslim Anti-Everything mob that would appear to be the perfect description.

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by Wulfric

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by Wulfric

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Ramcheck
Please refer to your own signature.

The truth hurts.

The truth is that you are an intolerant left wing extremists who thinks he is right and that anyone who disagrees with him is evil.

God help us if bigots like you ever get any power beyond small rent a mobs.

edit on 17-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Okay thank you for your insight, Mystic Meg. I'll give you a 'Troll Star' just for turning up though.

I absolutely love the way that the popular opinion of ATS is that they are against your argument. These "troll stars" represent the opinion of ATS against your Marxist bigotry and you don't like it that people dare to disagree with you and so you laughingly call them "troll stars".

edit on 17-5-2013 by Wulfric because: (no reason given)

"Marxist Bigotry" now, that's fantastic well done, you can have a 'Troll Star' too.

While you're here though perhaps you could help me by pointing me to my 'Offending' posts?

I would absolutely take pleasure in doing so.

Far right electorate hero and despicable human being - Nigel Farage, was today sent packing after making his first ... and probably final attempt at spreading his hate campaign north of the border. The people of Scotland responded without haste...

Let's get this straight, by calling these protesters "people of Scotland" you have not condemned their irrational behaviour at all by shouting above perfectly reasonable debates in fact to me it seems like you have praised ignorance. That isn't a very good way to settle democracy, no? You could have started this with an unbiased debate but no you have as others users have pointed out used straw man arguments and belittle the popular opinion of ATS on this thread.

You are welcome to have your own opinion, but doing so with less hostility and from a more unbiased point of view would do wonders. You made it seem like your own words of him being a 'despicable' and 'far right' human being are fact by reporting it in a news-like context, trying to present opinion as fact.

Interesting, that's a few times you mentioned 'Popular Opinion on ATS', I'm sorry I don't fit into your little bubble and clique world.

I see nothing in the TOS about having an unbiased point of view, perhaps you could help me again, and point me in that direction too.

Once again - Sigh - I did not say he was a far right human being, I said and I quote "Far right electorate hero". And given the response from the Anti-Muslim Anti-Everything mob that would appear to be the perfect description.

Well I didn't say the only opinion of ATS did I? Please stop misinterpreting my words. I'm not talking about the TOS, I'm talking about manors, and having a rational well-thought out debate which so far seems as if you are mentally incapable of producing. Additionally, how is he far right? Far right would be more along the lines of deporting immigrants who legally belong here and not just illegals.

reply to post by Ramcheck


Farage setting Britain’s political agenda

Farage is setting the political agenda in the UK, not the Marxist rent a mob who tried to silence him with verbal abuse and physical intimation.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Wulfric

You made it seem like your own words of him being a 'despicable' and 'far right' human being are fact by reporting it in a news-like context, trying to present opinion as fact.

Strange isn't it that a physically intimidating mob of bully boys somehow think they hold the moral high ground.

It is a disgrace that this small mob of aggressive bigots were shouting racial abuse at an English politician going about his lawful business in Edinburgh.

It is an even bigger disgrace that in their own closed minds they think they represent mainstream Scottish opinion by doing so. They most certainly do not.

To be honest with you this debate isn't going anywhere, some people let their own pride and ignorance engulf all rational reasoning. I think I'm off now.

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by Ramcheck

England, we tried to warn you but you went ahead and began voting in numbers for this right wing nonsense.

When did you 'warn' England please?

I'm shamelessly bumping my own question to the OP who seems to be ignoring it.

Oh, thanks for letting me know, and picking out the most irrelevant part of the thread for your own smug satisfaction. If you're asking me where it is on ATS, it doesn't exist - I was referring to the times when I've spoken to real living people, you know? Those outside your door.

Fortunately we still currently live in a democracy, this allows us to dislike one and other, as well as each others politics. You'll notice I haven't even given my political views yet but that hasn't stopped ATS from calling me "Anti-English", "A Tory Shill" etcetera. I'm sure that particular rent-a-mob have gone back to their muslim hating threads though.

You're very welcome.

So you live in Scotland and you spoke to English people in Scotland about UKIP, or English people in England 'outside your door' about UKIP. I'm confused. Just trying to clarify why you felt you warned us exactly.

Incidentally I don't care what ATS thinks of you or your politics, or Farage.

Oh, and you have quite clearly given your political views. 'Right wing nonsense' being a direct quote from your OP. That's a political view.

It seems like the major detractors of UKIP cite homophobia and racism as fundamental stances of UKIP and therefore find UKIP, in general, unworthy.

What's interesting is that both the declared racism and homophobia are extremely ambiguous in that neither are officially declared by any UKIP representative, neither are declared anywhere on UKIPs websites or anywhere in their literature. Some video of a man walking by saying that Nigel Farage is racist and homophobic as he's trying to convince an ethnic minority to vote for his party is hilarious. Obviously he doesn't have to say he isn't racist, look at the context of the video, it's pretty blatant that he wants that ethnic minority's vote, so he states in no uncertain terms that he isn't homophobic. Basically some UKIP supporters are racist and are homophobe, but that doesn't mean the party is. Much like the big supporters of Lib Dems are fundamentalist Muslims who, coincidentally are mandated by their faith to be racist and homophobic.

I have yet to see a UKIP detractor argue any of UKIP's stances on policy. Lets start a civil debate/argument on UKIP's policies. Hopefully we can clear misconceptions from both sides and really see if the problems people have from either side are legitimate.

I'm in my mid 30s, I'm American born to Welsh immigrants and have dual citizenship and I have right of abode in both the US and UK. I have a BS in economics from Penn and a masters in finance from Columbia. I worked in corporate finance for 6 years before I had enough and joined the French Foreign Legion. I now work as a private military contractor and am on a 6 month medical for a serious injury. I'm training for redeployment, I can't wait. My wife is a Texan of Irish and German descent who is a large animal veterinarian. Now you know my demographic and any biases that I might have.

Lets start.

From their own website:

UKIP on Defense:

UKIP will:

- Disband the Ministry of Defence in order to reform it as a streamlined ministry. Rebuild the defence procurement function, with direct involvement of Shadow Defence Ministers to encourage long-term decision-making.
- Protect or restore key items such as armour and maritime patrol. Ensure sufficient infantry, airborne and commando units are maintained to feed the Special Forces.
- Extend and develop reserve capabilities across all arms. The Territorial Army will offer places for those who do not wish to be deployed overseas, as well as those who do. An air national guard will be established.
- Retain two aircraft carriers and increase the number of major surface combat vessels, allowing the Royal Navy to fulfil a global role defending British interests.
- Urgently start a technical review of the Trident replacement, including the option of a new advanced stealthy cruise-type missile that can be delivered by land, sea or air.
- Extend, and honour, the military covenant to protect those injured in service, providing life-long access to support, be it medical, financial or otherwise.

I've seen how bad the MOD is at supplying soldiers and how bad it is at selecting new weapon systems. It is an EXTREMELY bloated and top heavy organization full of pencil pushers and analysts who have a lot of theoretical knowledge but very little practical knowledge. I agree with the first point almost completely. A nice byproduct of a complete MOD shakeup would be less military spending in the form of waste. The 2006 infantry upgrade program was a notable exception.

I don't agree with the 2nd part of the 4th bullet point. The two carriers will project power well and ought to be supported to the utmost, however expanding the surface fleet significantly beyond the two main battle groups, the submarine fleet, and coastal and brown water boats will add a lot of cost.

Other than that, I can't find much I disagree with. Sure there are many more factors going into defense than just those issues, but those are major issues where politicians can actually have a say in the direction of how force is both projected and applied.

I would consider a complete shakeup of the MOD to be a liberal policy in that it by definition isn't conservative in that it doesn't want to cling tot he past. It also wants to achieve lower MOD spending as a result which is very much a liberal desire. Likewise the notion of extending medical and financial benefits to the injured and decommissioned soldiery is a fundamentally liberal concept. The extension of benefits from the state's coffers to anyone for any reason is at its most fundamental a liberal concept.

I would consider maintaining the military to the extent that it provides adequate candidates for special forces is just part and parcel of running a professional volunteer military. It is therefore a centrist concept.

I would consider the rest to be conservative but not extreme right concepts.

Verdict:
UKIP on Defense: Center-Right.

Continued

Originally posted by Wulfric

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by Wulfric

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by Wulfric

Originally posted by Ramcheck

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Ramcheck
Please refer to your own signature.

The truth hurts.

The truth is that you are an intolerant left wing extremists who thinks he is right and that anyone who disagrees with him is evil.

God help us if bigots like you ever get any power beyond small rent a mobs.

edit on 17-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Okay thank you for your insight, Mystic Meg. I'll give you a 'Troll Star' just for turning up though.

I absolutely love the way that the popular opinion of ATS is that they are against your argument. These "troll stars" represent the opinion of ATS against your Marxist bigotry and you don't like it that people dare to disagree with you and so you laughingly call them "troll stars".

edit on 17-5-2013 by Wulfric because: (no reason given)

"Marxist Bigotry" now, that's fantastic well done, you can have a 'Troll Star' too.

While you're here though perhaps you could help me by pointing me to my 'Offending' posts?

I would absolutely take pleasure in doing so.

Far right electorate hero and despicable human being - Nigel Farage, was today sent packing after making his first ... and probably final attempt at spreading his hate campaign north of the border. The people of Scotland responded without haste...

Let's get this straight, by calling these protesters "people of Scotland" you have not condemned their irrational behaviour at all by shouting above perfectly reasonable debates in fact to me it seems like you have praised ignorance. That isn't a very good way to settle democracy, no? You could have started this with an unbiased debate but no you have as others users have pointed out used straw man arguments and belittle the popular opinion of ATS on this thread.

You are welcome to have your own opinion, but doing so with less hostility and from a more unbiased point of view would do wonders. You made it seem like your own words of him being a 'despicable' and 'far right' human being are fact by reporting it in a news-like context, trying to present opinion as fact.

Interesting, that's a few times you mentioned 'Popular Opinion on ATS', I'm sorry I don't fit into your little bubble and clique world.

I see nothing in the TOS about having an unbiased point of view, perhaps you could help me again, and point me in that direction too.

Once again - Sigh - I did not say he was a far right human being, I said and I quote "Far right electorate hero". And given the response from the Anti-Muslim Anti-Everything mob that would appear to be the perfect description.

Well I didn't say the only opinion of ATS did I? Please stop misinterpreting my words. I'm not talking about the TOS, I'm talking about manors, and having a rational well-thought out debate which so far seems as if you are mentally incapable of producing. Additionally, how is he far right? Far right would be more along the lines of deporting immigrants who legally belong here and not just illegals.

It's Manners, you're thinking of Manors, the large country houses.

Now I am "Mentally Incapable", thanks again for your well constructed response.

Once again - Unbelievably - For now the fourth time, will you actually read what I posted? Please show me where I said Farage was far right?

Look at the state of these "Oh I'm not being racist but..." characters. And it's a telling sign when your party leaders first thought it is to blame being 'harangued' on his race. Psychology 101.

That incident with the "mob" will probably work in Farage's favour over the long term.

Originally posted by alldaylong
UKIP otherwise United Kingdom Independence Party. Those protestors where probably Scottish Nationalists who don't want a United Kingdom. That doesn't take much working out does it?

Except they weren't, they were just a group of waster leftist scum students.

Originally posted by RamcheckPlease show me where I said Farage was far right?

Your opening post for this thread?

Originally posted by Ramcheck
Far right electorate hero and despicable human being - Nigel Farage, was today sent packing after making his first ... and probably final attempt at spreading his hate campaign north of the border. The people of Scotland responded without haste...

I think I won't bother anymore with this thread. Hopefully, we'll be seeing more rational threads regarding UKIP pop up in the future.

Originally posted by Ramcheck
And it's a telling sign when your party leaders first thought it is to blame being 'harangued' on his race.

Farage blames hostile reception on "anti-English" sentiment

After one protestor had invited Mr Farage to "shove your Union Jack up your arse", a visibly shaken Mr Farage told a reporter:

"We have never had a reception like this anywhere in Britain before. Clearly, it's anti-British and anti-English. They hate the Union Jack."

The protestors came from a range of left-leaning groups and organisations, and were not exclusively supporters or campaigners for independence.

The problem is, many Scottish people feel that racism towards English people is perfectly acceptable. Such an attitude is common right across all of the political spectrum.

Originally posted by EloquentThinker

Originally posted by Ramcheck
Once again - Unbelievably - For now the fourth time, will you actually read what I posted? Please show me where I said Farage was far right?

Your opening post for this thread?

Originally posted by Ramcheck
Far right electorate hero and despicable human being - Nigel Farage, was today sent packing after making his first ... and probably final attempt at spreading his hate campaign north of the border. The people of Scotland responded without haste...

I think I won't bother anymore with this individual..

edit on 17-5-2013 by EloquentThinker because: (no reason given)

I cannot believe I have to go through this again. EloquentThinker, oh the irony.

"Far right ELECTORATE hero", meaning he is a hero to the far right electorate, the people who vote, you see now? Is that clear enough?

Continued:

On Health:

UKIP will:

1. Direct the majority of health care spending to elected County Health Boards, making spending decisions directly accountable to the public locally.

2. Dramatically cut the Department of Health and bring in professional procurement skills to reduce the huge amounts of money wasted in procurement and resource allocation.

3. Prioritise UK taxpayers and citizens, ending health tourism by requiring all those without entitlement to pay in advance.

4. Restore traditional nursing, especially the non-university-trained State Enrolled Nurses or equivalent.

5. Engender a Universal Duty of Care to ensure that everyone is responsible for reporting inadequate care and driving up standards.

Bullet point number one is both conservative and liberal at the same time. Here's how: The creation of any form of government from nothing is at its very core a liberal concept. However, decentralizing authority through the creation of that new local government power, is a fundamentally conservative concept. I have no problem with county health boards. They are more in touch with their populations than centralized governments and ought to both reduce waste and increase care as long as there isn't too much interference and the actual structure of the board system is sound. There are a lot of nit picky details that could derail such a plan. I would consider it a relatively centrist stance. Verdict: Center-Right.

Bullet points 2 and 3 are both pretty conservative. If number 2 is anything like the MOD shakeup, then I'm all for it. If, however, it includes the inclusion of private enterprise when "professional procurement skills" are mentioned, then I'm vehemently against it because the private enterprise will usurp the public service like it always does or attempts to do when put in that position. Just look at big agriculture in the US if you want to see how terrible corporate inclusion on public services can # with a system. Verdict: Right

Points 4 is a liberal concept. Point 4 expands a labor market through mandate (liberal) while at the same time lowering the bar of entry for a regulated profession (liberal). I actually completely agree with point 4. Traditional nursing has, from my understanding, only increased care while at the same time malpractice claims stay about the same. There is very little negative to this. Can someone elaborate if they have any experience in this area of healthcare? Verdict: Left

Point 5 ought to be part and parcel of running a public health system. Verdict: Center

UKIP on Health
Verdict: Center

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Ramcheck
And it's a telling sign when your party leaders first thought it is to blame being 'harangued' on his race.

Farage blames hostile reception on "anti-English" sentiment

After one protestor had invited Mr Farage to "shove your Union Jack up your arse", a visibly shaken Mr Farage told a reporter:

"We have never had a reception like this anywhere in Britain before. Clearly, it's anti-British and anti-English. They hate the Union Jack."

The protestors came from a range of left-leaning groups and organisations, and were not exclusively supporters or campaigners for independence.

The problem is, many Scottish people feel that racism towards English people is perfectly acceptable. Such an attitude is common right across all of the political spectrum.

That's probably quite true, in the same vein as 'many' English people feel that racism towards the Irish is perfectly acceptable, actually much the same as 'many' English people feel that racism towards muslims is acceptable. You see where we are going with this?

Originally posted by Ramcheck

"Far right ELECTORATE hero", meaning he is a hero to the far right electorate, the people who vote, you see now? Is that clear enough?

The far right vote for the BNP.

Mainstream people who are sick of uncontrolled immigration, political correctness and name calling by the left, vote UKIP.

Of course, you appear so far to the extreme left that anyone to the right of Stalin is a right wing fascist to you. You lack self insight.

UKIP leader locked in pub for own safety

reply to post by Ramcheck


Your intention is to link him to the far-right by saying that they support him when he's just a patriot and has more of a backbone than all three mainstream parties combined. Far-right support is insignificant when it comes to dealing with the concerns of the general population who are just normal people that want something done about it.

The only people calling Farage "Far-right" are extreme left-wing misinformed nut-jobs like you.

Originally posted by EloquentThinker

The only people calling Farage "Far-Right" are extreme left-wing nut-jobs like you.

And they are so used to shouting people down by calling them racists that they haven't even noticed that it doesn't work anymore.

Protesters shouting ‘racist Nazi scum’ barricade Ukip leader Nigel Farage in pub

These bully boy tactics by the left will only help the UKIP.