posted on May, 17 2013 @ 12:09 AM
reply to post by Murgatroid, tothetenthpower, and others
Just to touch on the topic of the thread, here is a good article with a link to the speech:
It seems bold, Catholic, hopeful, and taken in it's whole, non-threatening to normal people. After all, he's calling for a change of heart in
people and politicians.
There is something more disturbing in this thread, however. The idea that the Vatican is sitting on bazillions of tons of gold, owns about all the
land there is, and has 2 million slaves. (Ok, exaggerated for effect.) Please, if you believe this, recheck the sources of your information.
For example, Murgatroid's first source which leads hin to say
The Vatican owns 25 percent of the world's gold bullion...More gold than all
world governments combined in fact
refers to a speaker in the English parliament who never makes that statement. The speech is also discussed
which includes this statement:
Many are now convinced that the mysterious Foundation X is the international financing scam wich goes by OITC - The Office of International
And then there's this statement:
The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator, and property owner in existence. Possessing more material wealth than
any bank, corporation, giant trust, or government anywhere on the globe. The Pope, who is the visible ruler of this colossal global wealth is one of
the richest men on Earth.
This comes from the same article which states:
Roman Law uses the law of the sea because all human institutions in the Roman system are make-believe ships at sea (incorporated bodies).
The ‘all caps’ spelling does not make the ‘legal identity name” (strawman). It is where the family name has been converted into a ’surname -
primary name’. The all caps only signifies that the name carries with its use the status of slave pledged as chattel in bankruptcy of the
We need better sources for flat statements with no backup.
Some better sources?
Mr. Cipriani described the Vatican bank as a financially cautious organization that has €6 billion ($7.48 billion) in assets, including gold
reserves at the U.S. Federal Reserve. The bank invests less than 5% of its portfolio in riskier securities like stocks, Mr. Cipriani said.
And from a 1987 Fortune
article, reprinted this year.
While the Vatican sets doctrine and exercises strong authority over the Church's two main branches, the far-flung religious orders and dioceses,
both are self- supporting from grass-roots sources. Each administrative unit of a religious order and each diocese is an independent corporation with
assets that the papacy cannot touch.
About half the Vatican's $500 million in investments generate little or no income. Some $100 million is parked in bank accounts, and the Vatican's
gold hoard, bought in the 1930s at an average price of $35 an ounce, is now worth $100 million at $450 an ounce. Not a single bar of the papal
bullion, which sits in the vaults of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, has ever been sold.
As the Vatican reaches out for financial help, Catholics the world over are wondering how this source of pomp and inspiration, the heart of the
universal Church, could have fallen on such hard times. Put off by the scandals and secrecy, and misled by the illusion of wealth, Catholics are
finally getting the whole truth.
Please, realize that many of you are misled by faulty sources in your beliefs about Vatican wealth. Come up with something close to resembling a
legitimate source, then we can talk. That will help counteract the misinformation you've been given.