Originally posted by GafferUK1981
reply to post by trustnoone07
Let me get this straight, you believe in a god because you don't believe something can come from nothing?
So where did this god come from?
The "God" question actually may be relevant to even the hardest skeptic. It may well hold the key to various fortean topics like 'are UFO's and
ET's real', 'are ghosts real' etc.
If you try to analyse what happens - anything - from a materalistic point of view, you will find that neither science nor religion are able to
explain everthing adequately, the given example of the question of origin being one of the best ones. Both science and religion agree there must be
something like a 'Fiat lux!' that made the Universe come into existence and both fail to explain in understandable, logical terms how that worked.
The essential question here is best represented by a little poem that I like to cite:
Some suffer from a bone-deep fear
That matter's all that matters here
That love and hate and pretty faces
Are naught but atoms changing places.
Most 19th century scientists believed that everyting could be explained in terms of material, tangible stuff, interacting - but that is not true, as
it fails to explain how material came into existence in the first place. There must be an other factor.
If you read that little poem you immediately understand that there are immaterial forces at work, and the sum of all these immaterial forces is - to
me at least - "God". It is "God" that makes you smile, but - and this is the difficult part for many religious people - it also is God that allows
you to murder an innocent victim. God as a total sum of immaterial forces is neutral, all-encompassing, all-knowing. You, as only a partial expression
of the creative force of God, are not.
Material is created if a part of God feels the need to express itself. That is creation. Gnostics believe that it is a flaw, that God in His totality
was perfect and hence creation is in error. I don't believe so: as the concept of imperfection is also part of God, hence, creation occurs. I agree
with the Gnostics that creation is the result of realisation of the concept of imperfection though.
How does all that relate to ghosts and UFO's then..??
Fragments of the creative force - God implementing the concepts of imperfection - can also create. But where physical entities need physical entities
to create, pure "God" force - G-force..
- does not require anything, merely being what it is and always will be to create. Like our Universe:
we don't understand how it comes into existence, but it does, and it interacts with us. It can also happen spontaneously and on a smaller scale. And
there they are then: ghosts, UFO's, aliens, the holy Mother, leprechauns, talking mongeese.. the wild and weird that fascinates me, as a fortean, and
will fascinate me forever.
UFO's may sometimes well be concrete alien space ships that came from lightyears away. Their inhabitants may well be from another planet. I can't
exclude it, as we are here too and why would God not create others than us, after all. But the wild variations of the beings that "visit" us, often
with all too human character and wit, the diversity of their vessels but then again mostly reflecting contemporary belief on how they should look, the
material impossibilities they seem to overcome without any problem at all, even the questions they ask and the things that they do - all of this
strongly suggest that they are simply spontaneous manifestations of the creative force that is behind everything.
The UFO question is complex: sometimes people imagine things, sometimes they misinterpret things, sometimes they are mentally ill. Maybe some of us
even HAVE seen beings from Zeta Reticuli. But I think most of these manifestations are simply that: spontaneous creations by the G-force. Mind you:
these are sometimes VERY, VERY concrete. If you have been abducted, the table that they may have put you on was REALLY there, I'm sure of it. But
they seem to pop in and out of existence, not needing birth or death to do so.
I believe it is the same force that also created the manifestations they had when they were doing the Scole experiment. Check out the entity they
photographed they named 'Blue'. A real grey, I can't deny it. Also, during the Scole experiment, the same characteristics showed up: very HUMAN
like behaviour, blended with esoteric stuff.
I hope I have shown why to me the "God" question closely relates to the UFO question (and to many other such enigmas) - there is a creative force,
which can spontaneously manifest itself as matter. It did so when it created the Universe, including probably near infinite amounts of living beings,
that may visit us. It also still does so every now and then, creating many fortean phenomenon. It all figures.