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"If you don't believe in God or heaven, why don't you just kill yourself?"
Originally posted by FaceLikeTheSun
If there is no moral law giver, then there are no moral laws. If there are no moral laws, then right and wrong are mere perspectives. If right and wrong are just perspectives, then they are simply illusory qualities that only exist in the individual. Right and wrong become meaningless.
So atheists...the question is:
How do you operate as an agent of morals when right and wrong are only relative to your own perspective? In other words, how do you know that your "right" is really "right" or your "wrong" is really "wrong"?
Originally posted by minkmouse
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by RedBeardRay
reply to post by AmberLeaf
What an Ignorant response. "Believers" don't kill themselves because they believe it is wrong, and a sin, not because they are scared they might be wrong. Some of them might think they are wrong, but those individuals have a lack of faith.
Devout believers may not kill themselves, but most of them are just as scared of dying as the rest of us. I've always wondered why that was, if they know for a fact that a glorious heaven exists.
I too wonder about that point...If you are a dying christian, one would thing you would embrace your death with open arms and joy, after all you've said your "Hail Marie's", asked to be forgiven for your sins or just flat out asked Jesus to come into your life so you're off to the great Holiday Inn in the sky...Why would one sweat that?
To assert that something is "right" or "wrong" is not to assert a fact about the real world. These words are labels that we apply as individuals, as societies and maybe as a species. They express our intentions to behave in certain ways and our expectations that others will behave similarly. Physical laws describe the way "things" appear to behave. Moral "laws" describe the way we feel people ought to behave. Nobody "knows" that their "right" is really "right", although many people think they do. In fact, nobody's "right" is really "right", unless we can all agree on how to define that term.
Humans are empathetic, gregarious primates
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
The guy thought women were the most evil thing in creation
Well congrats! You just described secular humanism.
Like many Greek thinkers, the Pythagoreans associated the mind/spirit side of reality with maleness and the body/matter side with femaleness.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Originally posted by Bisman
why does a person of religous faith need to be TOLD to be moral? i find that kind of scary that they couldnt have the common sense otherwise.
2: "How do you have any meaning in your life?" Sometimes asked as, "Don't you feel sad or hopeless?" Or even, "If you don't believe in God or heaven, why don't you just kill yourself?"
3: "Doesn't it take just as much/even more faith to be an atheist as it does to be a believer?"
The answer: No.
The somewhat longer answer: This question assumes that "atheism" means "100% certainty that God does not exist, with no willingness to question and no room for doubt." For the overwhelming majority of people who call ourselves atheists, this is not what "atheism" means. For most atheists, "atheism" means something along the lines of "being reasonably certain that there are no gods," or, "having reached the provisional conclusion, based on the evidence we've seen and the arguments we've considered, that there are no gods." No, we can't be 100% certain that there are no gods. We can't be 100% certain that there are no unicorns, either. But we're certain enough. Not believing in unicorns doesn't take "faith." And neither does not believing in God.
Why you shouldn't ask it: The assumption behind this question is that atheists haven't actually bothered to think about our atheism. And this assumption is both ignorant and insulting. Most atheists have considered the question of God's existence or non-existence very carefully. Most of us were brought up religious, and letting go of that religion took a great deal of searching of our hearts and our minds. Even those of us brought up as non-believers were (mostly) brought up in a society that's steeped in religion. It takes a fair amount of questioning and thought to reject an idea that almost everyone else around you believes.
And when you ask this question, you're also revealing the narrowness of your own mind. You're showing that you can't conceive of the possibility that someone might come to a conclusion about religion based on evidence, reason, and which ideas seem most likely to be true, instead of on "faith."
Originally posted by AlwaysWonder
reply to post by FyreByrd
My answer to the question is pretty simple. I believe in a god, just not the god the bible tells me of. "What" I believe is not up for discussion.
We all know what is right and what is wrong. That feeling you get just before doing something "wrong" is instilled in all of us.
I am going to stop here, as this is one of those arguments you don't get into. Fighting about religion gets you nowhere. Both sides have their reasons for believing in what they choose as religion. I just choose no religion and still live on the side of "good".edit on 15-5-2013 by AlwaysWonder because: details
Originally posted by Phoenix267
I was reading this list earlier and I really enjoyed it. As an atheist many non-atheist would believe in misinformation about atheist and atheism and how we live our lives. Hopefully atheist and non-atheist alike would find something interesting from the list.