Get READY...Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion !!

reply to post by ThreeBears


In addition, if you're wondering how they get by with this, the force drugging, well research the whole pain med fiasco, etc., they started Jailing doctors for prescribing pain Meds, so like cancer patients, SEVERLY injured chronic pain, etc., they now give anti depressants, like CANDY. OK, so you are normal, till the brain poison kicks in PLUS the other damages they do, and then you deteriorate more, and a lot faster...This puts you into gravely I'll, which means assisted Forced care. Now IF you are rich and have good insurance, that's not a problem, as much, but now if not rich, THEN it's a mega problem because then you see, they take Custody of you, Florida they are doing this leaps and bounds, and it don't matter if you're married, the GALS all they have to say is neglect or you crazy, etc. which you not but once they say in the court you reduced to a veggie, OK, the. See, off you go wherever they send your any power of attorney they can over ride Unless you again, rich and lawers up and even THEN there is no guarantees, they love that too, money for courts. I've read cases where these GALS all under DHS btw (social services, etc) then clean out all accounts, as they have the powers to, sell homes, cars, and excuse is to pay for your care but see tax payers are paying for that care, and of course then you're being Drugged to zombie state which pays out to mental health ALSO under DHS and getting sicker, not just elderly or middle aged, they do this a lot to young adult disabled children too, and run all over loving parents who are fighting to save the kid. It's all about EXTORTION, and Tax monies pay for every bit of it, so really, you get nothing for those government services or CARE as they call it, well you do, a slow death WARRENT, but that's about it. And Bankruptcy and no inheritance for your loved ones,

I'm surprised really that so many still are not aware this is going n and is becoming epidemic in this nation, the ADA well, they a joke, anyway, some of these places let these disabled folks go after of course they all Brain damaged and stuff, and then they are again jailed for being crazy, that happens a lot to AND you see a lot of this happening to Vets,

What they DON'T TELL PUBLIC, is that the System and their so called Care has made normal people nuts with their refusal to Treat Treatable conditions and instead, poisoning them with psychotropics. Don't believe me

Just check out, any disabled Spine Injury forum and SEE how many, and these are Insured now, folks are being given serious psychotropics that are doing far more Physical damage as well as brain damage, and the amazing thing is, how many of these people don't even Question what's done to them,

They just complain about all the side effects of these drugs and how they are not better. now THIS, is what Forced care is going to Dom but I imagine,

It will be a lot worse, see what people don't understand, is that with GOV care, they don't DON'T cover, most treatments, that Heal or at least get it to where you can still Fuction somewhat, oh no,

It's like a cattle mill, they give treatments Knowing they are not good and that the Private Sector wouldn't stand for, HMOs well, they pretty bad too but now, Gov care,

You safer treating yourself. And that's not saying much...cheaper is their way and the easiest way to bill without DOING anything, that's their motto. So, people are not just going to be screaming about the costs,

Just wait till they have to be lab rats, Then they'll Kniw what real Fascism is. But Remeber, they CARE about YOU!

LOL LOL LOL.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Both of you are wrong, they won't do a thing, in fact, people are so used to fighting over scraps and playing the poor-man role that they will adjust and forget that this ever happened.

I’ve decided what I’m going to do. If I lose my insurance coverage because of this, I will continue to get treatment for my family when it’s needed (like normal) and I will simply refuse to pay my medical bills like 75% of the people in this country do now. I'm going to start playing the poor man role!

F-IT! I refuse to pay!

That is how most people are going to have to handle it because who the hell is going to be able to cover 500 to 1000 dollars a month in health coverage for most likely BS healthcare.

Case in point I have a cousin that just had an operation/hospital stay, the cost if he was paying his own insurance would have cost him $90,000.00 at a 20% co-pay. But he has medicaid he pays almost nothing and now gets extra money for being disabled.

I think it's going to get to the point you speak of.

Originally posted by spyder550
All of this pearl clutching over a completely fact free article. I am disappointed in the level of ease with which you folks can be set off.

So far the main things from the healthcare bill has been kids staying longer on there parents policy and the elimination of preexisting conditions. What exactly is wrong with that. BTW I pay over 8000 per year for my company provided benefit. I will pay less than that for Obamacare and I would pay even less if it was medicare for all.

Keep tilting at those windmills y'all.

And where is the money for "medicare for all" coming from? You do realize that there is no such thing as a free lunch, do you not?

A lot of liberal and ex-socialist countries have a national healthcare system along with a state run retirement package. It usually works there so why can't it work in america? They even have subsidised healthcare and people pay a greatly reduced rate for medicine, doctor fees and hospitalisation. You can be the sickest person in the world and they don't drop you either. In america if you smoke too much or drink too much or a drug addict or have chronic health problems no private insurance will handle you, and if they do the rates are unaffordable most of the time.

Talking about unaffordable didn't private insurance companies(HMOs) raise their rates substantially each year? It all starts because of the medical field is way overcompensated, the universities are private or semi-private and rip-off the students who when they graduate have loans of $100k to $300k especially when you consider graduate course fees. It is a damm rip off! In social countries the tax payers as a whole pay for a public education system including college/university and there is no reason to think they are inferior to americas private system.

I'm sorry, but anything coming from the insurance companies that fought so hard against Obamacare is guaranteed to be a load of honk.

Originally posted by Starchildren
reply to post by ThreeBears

 

Sorry you are having it rough. I do understand, as we are going through a situation where I'm too sick to work and my husband is the only one working. The working poor are being punished. A couple of months back they started taking out another $58 in taxes on my husband's check. That $58 was budgeted out as our gas money for every two weeks. Before this happened, my husband's hours was cut to part time. A double whammy. When my husband gets off work at 2:30 pm, he spends the rest of the afternoon job hunting, in the hopes of finding something full time. There is nothing full time around here that is open, and the jobs that do offer full time are full up and no one is hiring. We're facing some serious problems, yet I'm supposed to pay out of pocket for my insurance, or get fined. Oh and I also found out that they can garnish wages for it too.

Does everyone not understand yet how this is going to work? I don't believe so. I wonder when it will hit the masses.

oh yes, lol, not only do they garnish wages, they will JAIL you for being poor, disabled and not able to pay, several states that are doing this, a Lot. people say, oh it's for contempt, Noooo, it's how they send notices to old addresses (deliberate mind you) and bench WARRENT then come pick you up. Now, it would APPEAR that this is about the money,

It's not, this is how they'll Kill off the poor, disabled, etc., is through this channel, and the public will be unaware or as usual, in denial, and people will be dropping like flies. Right now, disabled and especially middle aged women and men are dying at high rate in jails, who have heart disease, asthma, diabetes,

And all by deliberate willful medical neglect. Now the jails say, oh we didn't Know, yea right, they know, they don't Care. Public don't care because they've been conditioned to see those arrested as these nutcase criminal lowlifes, and hey that segment yes, does exist, but more and more it's POOR Working class people being trapped in the system, often due to mental health Poisoning them and for their that's often from Medical sending them OR the schools, teen screens and all that, so it's a slow process that well, maybe not that slow,

But once you in jail, then they can murder you, tase you to death and go, well, they resisted or they were low life's and public just goes, Oh, OK, sure, move along folks.

This has been in the works for Years, and people don't see that it doesn't take a whole lot to wind up classified as a deviant, yell at someone, you're bi polar, need Meds, oh, getting sick from Meds, need more, oh, have dementia now from Meds, well need electroshock, a veggie, well let's starve ya then, ain't like no One gonna see...and Because you are poor, you're invisible.

So like if you are healthy, young adult, you might survive the system, Maybe, but if older, no. And it's that way by Deliberate design, people think they are safe from this, they aren't. But many didn't Question, my elderly neighbor, they have her n so many psychotropics, rather than the care she needed, NOW she's dying of stomach cancer. From years of the poisons,

But she's clueless. It's really sad, and she's losing everything, they can't wait to clean her out, Vultures, they like Vultures.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
I'm sorry, but anything coming from the insurance companies that fought so hard against Obamacare is guaranteed to be a load of honk.

They made a feeble effort to market against ObamaCare.

They spent a few million dollars on a "successful failure" attempt to make it look like they were against ObamaCare.

The insurance companies get paid one way or the other anyway.

If they were truly against it, the law would never have passed.

It was the old double negative approach.

My health insurance rate has already surpassed it's usefulness to me. For my monthly premium, I'd be better off paying out of pocket for any expense I'd incur, shy of a hospital stay.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
I'm sorry, but anything coming from the insurance companies that fought so hard against Obamacare is guaranteed to be a load of honk.

Maybe the canadian beauracrats should visit washinton and teach the yankees a few things. "You are going to wait for 3 months just to get a doctors appointment. Then you will be resting on a folded bed in the hospital isle till they have room in the emergency center. You are going tooooo diieeeee!!!!. Oh my god!"

The medical field, insurance companies, oil companies and gun companies are the biggest racket in america. It is a revolving door policy, along with cocktail parties, dinner, golf sessions, under the table handouts, etc.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
A lot of liberal and ex-socialist countries have a national healthcare system along with a state run retirement package. It usually works there so why can't it work in america? They even have subsidised healthcare and people pay a greatly reduced rate for medicine, doctor fees and hospitalisation. You can be the sickest person in the world and they don't drop you either. In america if you smoke too much or drink too much or a drug addict or have chronic health problems no private insurance will handle you, and if they do the rates are unaffordable most of the time.

Talking about unaffordable didn't private insurance companies(HMOs) raise their rates substantially each year? It all starts because of the medical field is way overcompensated, the universities are private or semi-private and rip-off the students who when they graduate have loans of $100k to $300k especially when you consider graduate course fees. It is a damm rip off! In social countries the tax payers as a whole pay for a public education system including college/university and there is no reason to think they are inferior to americas private system.

Except, that in UK right now, they cut off some type of assistance care to disabled, and well, one example, a bed ridden brain injured man being told he don't qualify for assistance now, that he can work. OK, YEA BABY, get those Jobs that require DROOLING while SLUMPED OVER, Hey, I Know,

They gonna bring back the Freak Traveling Circus for all these can work people but who can't really, OK

Problems solved! (sarc)

Yea, don't hear a lot of great things from many other gov care countries, so that tells me, something GLOBAL about a lot of this.

reply to post by ThreeBears


No system is perfect but do you really prefer private medical system? How can the government regulate HMOs? Conservatives don't allow it. HMOs are traded on wall street and they better show annual profit growth or the stock is unattractive.

"investing" in wall street has become a mainstay job for some folks in america. It is not just for the wealthy as it is in most countries. People expect unusually high returns(almost casino-like) and that causes outsourcing and automation.

It is called greed. I am not necessarily against capitalism though. It does have good points. The SEC can't be bothered with inside traders and breaking up trusts like they did in the old days and that will bring america down.

Originally posted by Starchildren
reply to post by ThreeBears

 

Sorry you are having it rough. I do understand, as we are going through a situation where I'm too sick to work and my husband is the only one working. The working poor are being punished. A couple of months back they started taking out another $58 in taxes on my husband's check. That $58 was budgeted out as our gas money for every two weeks. Before this happened, my husband's hours was cut to part time. A double whammy. When my husband gets off work at 2:30 pm, he spends the rest of the afternoon job hunting, in the hopes of finding something full time. There is nothing full time around here that is open, and the jobs that do offer full time are full up and no one is hiring. We're facing some serious problems, yet I'm supposed to pay out of pocket for my insurance, or get fined. Oh and I also found out that they can garnish wages for it too.

Does everyone not understand yet how this is going to work? I don't believe so. I wonder when it will hit the masses.

exactly too, that's just it, the oxymoron is that it will Hurt, with devastating effects, the Working Poor more than anyone, who are right above the so called poverty scale the Feds use which is ridiculous in its own right as it is. I think a lot of the problem is that most think workers are making 60k a year, but that's not the case, with TWO workers they barely break that, in average,

One worker with a family, about 20 to 30K, and if they are being garnished for child support, debts, etc even less. Now add to that a gran a month,

Ooops, thee went the Rent money. Now what? OK, live in the car, oh wait, THAT'S ILLEGAL,

If you have kids, that's CPS right there, more costs, it's a vicious cycle, so, people don't have medical because they can't afford it, granted,

But on the other side of it, there's this MYTH that Giv or fed care is this oh so great system with perks and all, uh

NO,

One, it's extremely difficult to get, and even if one does, then it's you have to Stay way below poverty line (where a lot of system abuses comes in) and then on top of that, like I said, the Care, is more like a slow getting poisoned and even more impaired system, because they don't want Healthy poor

They want DEAD POOR.

There isn't enough resources and money to pay for all of this EVEN WITH, let's say, an entire society that's all for it, thrpere isn't the revenue, that's already being squeezed to death by corp prisons Quotas and CPS Quotas and Big Pharma (that ties into sme serious mining and military complex Corporatist fascism there) and so

Now they going to add To that burden. Somebody has to pay for as well as they have to cut the labor and excess pool, the RICH aren't going to pay for it, LOL,

So, the culling begins. And That's what many don't get, and yea, by the time it hits the masses, it's going to be way too late. All the system is doing right now is getting their ducks lines up in a roll...

Originally posted by ThreeBears

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
A lot of liberal and ex-socialist countries have a national healthcare system along with a state run retirement package. It usually works there so why can't it work in america? They even have subsidised healthcare and people pay a greatly reduced rate for medicine, doctor fees and hospitalisation. You can be the sickest person in the world and they don't drop you either. In america if you smoke too much or drink too much or a drug addict or have chronic health problems no private insurance will handle you, and if they do the rates are unaffordable most of the time.

Talking about unaffordable didn't private insurance companies(HMOs) raise their rates substantially each year? It all starts because of the medical field is way overcompensated, the universities are private or semi-private and rip-off the students who when they graduate have loans of $100k to $300k especially when you consider graduate course fees. It is a damm rip off! In social countries the tax payers as a whole pay for a public education system including college/university and there is no reason to think they are inferior to americas private system.

Except, that in UK right now, they cut off some type of assistance care to disabled, and well, one example, a bed ridden brain injured man being told he don't qualify for assistance now, that he can work. OK, YEA BABY, get those Jobs that require DROOLING while SLUMPED OVER, Hey, I Know,

They gonna bring back the Freak Traveling Circus for all these can work people but who can't really, OK

Problems solved! (sarc)

Yea, don't hear a lot of great things from many other gov care countries, so that tells me, something GLOBAL about a lot of this.

They don't have early retirement programs for the severly disabled? In most countries they do. It is called medical disability or state welfare and you qualify for life. No need to suffer in the hospital, they take you home or to a clinic and have constant supervision for those folks.

Maybe doctor kevorkian can help. Sorry for the slight sarcasm, but you quickly playing the *extreme case* was a bit desperate imho!

reply to post by JayinAR


Exactly. By mandating that everyone has to have it, why wouldn't healthcare companies push their rates up?

They will also tell you that it's to compensate for the people that are uninsurable that they now are being forced to cover.

The only ones who benefit from Obamacare are those people who own stock in insurance companies.

reply to post by Realtruth

But he has medicaid he pays almost nothing and now gets extra money for being disabled.

Do people not see the problem with that?

Other people are paying for it because they aren't paying they are getting more out than pay in, the difference is made up by others.

Which is the entire problem with 'government run healthcare' everyone uses it, get's more out of it than, pay in.

The best healthcare is the country next to politicians healthcare, is private insurance.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Realtruth

 

But he has medicaid he pays almost nothing and now gets extra money for being disabled.

Do people not see the problem with that?

Other people are paying for it because they aren't paying they are getting more out than pay in, the difference is made up by others.

Which is the entire problem with 'government run healthcare' everyone uses it, get's more out of it than, pay in.

The best healthcare is the country next to politicians healthcare, is private insurance.

Then why the hell do insurance premiums go up substantially each year? If the competition was that good this would not be an issue and government would not have to get involved at all. Insurance companies are the biggest racket in the states.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by ThreeBears

 

No system is perfect but do you really prefer private medical system? How can the government regulate HMOs? Conservatives don't allow it. HMOs are traded on wall street and they better show annual profit growth or the stock is unattractive.

"investing" in wall street has become a mainstay job for some folks in america. It is not just for the wealthy as it is in most countries. People expect unusually high returns(almost casino-like) and that causes outsourcing and automation.

It is called greed. I am not necessarily against capitalism though. It does have good points. The SEC can't be bothered with inside traders and breaking up trusts like they did in the old days and that will bring america down.

edit on 15/5/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)

Well true on numerous points, as for myself, I'm anti capitalist, but I'm even More opposed to Statist Socialism, because it's run by bourgeoisie elites FOR the ELITES,

NOT for the poor or working poor.

As for HMOs, yea actually that's already a form of socialized or Centralized monopoly, crooked to the hilt. Private, well yea, that's worse BUT at least, you're not dealing with death panels there, you can at Least, try to self medicate, NOT so with socialized Statist Fascism. So, Really the poor are screwed either way,

But now, where there COULD be changes, is Coop supported Alternatives, like alternative treatment insurances that Groups or COOPs could invest in and work that way, they aren't even allowed...the Market as it is now, which is fascist, has made it to where if you didn't have the $$$$ to lay for all the red tape, you can't do much of anything,

Other than under the table, etc., but get caught, one is in big trouble. So, with Just that fact in mind, the monopoly on health care and banning AUTONOMY has been in works a very, very, very long time. When People began to look I to alternatives, such as acu puncture, aroma therapies, homeopathics, the Feds clamped down Hard and by the very ones pushing for gov care. WHY? Because its never been ABOUT THE People for the people,

Any kind of group or individual autonomy. Like, WHY isn't there People's boards over insurance? Since When did Corporations have health in their best interest? never, it's always been about CONTROLLING the Health of the SLAVES, FOR the Rulers. THAT'S the real issue, under all of this, there's never been ACcountability, in the whole insurance scam. Why is that? Special $$$ Interests, so, this whole Gov mandate, is not About giving us Autonomy, over our Health, it's about Expanding Gov CONTROL. USING the POOR as their Shield, duping people into thinking they care,

They don't. There is A LOT they COULD have done over the years to NIP the greed and corruption in the bud, they chose NOT to. Like, charging ten dollars for a Tylenol, WHO does that, seriously? Those kind of things are Common sense, the Excuse is, is that these ludicrous charges pay for admin (well Yea, Admin) and nurses, etc., WRONG, they pay for PHARMA, big ole PHARMA

They say, it's for research...hmmmm, OK, research of What? I Know, how about one millions of dollars paying for orgasm studies on a Dead woman, Yep, IMPORTANT RESEARCH mind you, That kind of ludicrousness, is just laughable,

And yet, No autonomy, no oversight, nada. Just price gouging, lobbyists special interest Groups and a dumbed down citizenry, and now the STATE is going to take over...well the STATE already took over Years ago, now they just upping the anti.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Then why the hell do insurance premiums go up substantially each year?

1. Regulation
2. Currency devaluation/inflation
3. Malpractice insurance.

Insurance companies are the biggest racket in the states.

And no Government has the biggest racket in the world

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by ThreeBears

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
A lot of liberal and ex-socialist countries have a national healthcare system along with a state run retirement package. It usually works there so why can't it work in america? They even have subsidised healthcare and people pay a greatly reduced rate for medicine, doctor fees and hospitalisation. You can be the sickest person in the world and they don't drop you either. In america if you smoke too much or drink too much or a drug addict or have chronic health problems no private insurance will handle you, and if they do the rates are unaffordable most of the time.

Talking about unaffordable didn't private insurance companies(HMOs) raise their rates substantially each year? It all starts because of the medical field is way overcompensated, the universities are private or semi-private and rip-off the students who when they graduate have loans of $100k to $300k especially when you consider graduate course fees. It is a damm rip off! In social countries the tax payers as a whole pay for a public education system including college/university and there is no reason to think they are inferior to americas private system.

Except, that in UK right now, they cut off some type of assistance care to disabled, and well, one example, a bed ridden brain injured man being told he don't qualify for assistance now, that he can work. OK, YEA BABY, get those Jobs that require DROOLING while SLUMPED OVER, Hey, I Know,

They gonna bring back the Freak Traveling Circus for all these can work people but who can't really, OK

Problems solved! (sarc)

Yea, don't hear a lot of great things from many other gov care countries, so that tells me, something GLOBAL about a lot of this.

They don't have early retirement programs for the severly disabled? In most countries they do. It is called medical disability or state welfare and you qualify for life. No need to suffer in the hospital, they take you home or to a clinic and have constant supervision for those folks.

Maybe doctor kevorkian can help. Sorry for the slight sarcasm, but you quickly playing the *extreme case* was a bit desperate imho!

Nope, sorry, this is being done in UK right now as we speak, along with other cuts, etc. there isn't the funds...and Yes, they'll begin to kill them off. If there is no money there is no money, either way, neither System works. WE need alternatives from a grass roots level, STATISM and it's TWIN FUEDALISM does not work, except for the well to do.

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