Get READY...Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion !!

reply to post by ThatPrepperGuy


The messed up thing is that it's not entirely fascist. It's crony capitalism.

I just finished my second year at a DC law school. Most of my classmates are specializing in intellectual property specifically to work for medical equipment/pharmaceutical manufacturing conglomerates. The lobbyists for these companies pushed the affordable care act through because it's going to be a boondoggle for them. Elimination of the "free" market plus mandatory coverage means that the government will be spending money hand over fist contracting with these companies. It's sickening.

Originally posted by karen61560
reply to post by littled16

 

You are wrong re the telephone rates. It is much cheaper to make long distance calls now than it used to be.

The long distance rates may be cheaper, but I just had them shut off my home phone because in the past two years my phone bill has gone up over $25. We all have cell phones anyway, and my cell bill had become cheaper than my land line.

Originally posted by neo96
Don't think they had any intention of making healthcare affordable.

They had every intention of screwing it up more so they can offer a 'solution' once again.

Exactly, and the solution will be a government option where the federal government will offer minimal insurance at a cheaper rate. They'll be able to do this because even though the premiums won't come close to paying the costs, they'll operate at a loss until everyone is on it, then subsidize it with our tax money.

Of course, everyone will jump on this option, reducing the insurance companies (the ones that survive, that is) to providers to the government, complete with sweetheart backdoor deals and taxes will soar once again.

reply to post by AntiNWO

Exactly, and the solution will be a government option where the federal government will offer minimal insurance at a cheaper rate. They'll be able to do this because even though the premiums won't come close to paying the costs, they'll operate at a loss until everyone is on it, then subsidize it with our tax money.

This was always the plan even though many denied it (some continue to deny). Some people are beginning to wake up with a hangover.



With 3 years (or more) left in Obama’s reign and Hillary waiting in the wings it doesn’t appear we’re going to be able to stop this train before it derails.

Does anyone remember those of us that said it was the insurance companies that were BEHIND all of this in the first place?

And the laughter and ridicule we suffered from those that were in denial?

I'm no economist, but it would seem this is the same kind of firesale we suffered in '08, only this time we're supposed to do it with a 29 hour work week, and instead of being sold a "billl of goods" from companies like the Lehman bros & their ilk, THIS time it's the govt saying "Pay them or pay us, in fines."

The insurance companies that DO come out on top just had the better lobbyists/made the best deal with Uncle Sam.

Does that about cover it?

Do you guys know I have NEVER had insurance except when I was in the Army? I can't afford it. I have never been able to afford insurance. I also don't ever go to the doctor. I went once with a broken collar bone. I went again so I wouldn't die, but I payed for those times.. Why can't I just do that?

Living costs too much... If only I was free...

Originally posted by wantsome
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You ok lil buddy?

Yea sure, I'm still waiting for the 5 dollar gas, or the UN coming to take our guns, and all that other scare tactic propaganda. Why not, fear worked for the churches for 2000 years. Problem is people are more educated now, more informed, and then there's the whole "Cry Wolf" thing.

Originally posted by Florida Fox
Yea sure, I'm still waiting for the 5 dollar gas, or the UN coming to take our guns, and all that other scare tactic propaganda. Why not, fear worked for the churches for 2000 years. Problem is people are more educated now, more informed, and then there's the whole "Cry Wolf" thing.

not following you.....

are you suggesting that health insurance costs are not rising beyond the normal increases?

can you elaborate?

please make some sense.

All of this pearl clutching over a completely fact free article. I am disappointed in the level of ease with which you folks can be set off.

So far the main things from the healthcare bill has been kids staying longer on there parents policy and the elimination of preexisting conditions. What exactly is wrong with that. BTW I pay over 8000 per year for my company provided benefit. I will pay less than that for Obamacare and I would pay even less if it was medicare for all.

Keep tilting at those windmills y'all.

Its good to see a consensus among most everyone here that they knew this would happen.

Posting a fast reply to keep up with this thread...

If my medical/dental/vision go up 4x, I will be paying my employer $178.56 every 2 weeks. Guess I will find a way to get fired from my job since unemployment will pay better..

Originally posted by xuenchen
Get ready to get ready as they say.

We told Ya so !!

The insurance companies will get super richer off this deal.

Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

This just doesn't make any sense (though sense is in short supplies in Big Business these days). The insurance companies are receiving a windfall of new 'customers' for their 'product'. This is what they wanted - not what the people (whomostly wanted at least the option of Medicare for All -www.pnhp.org...)
wanted.

I think this is just more fear mongering from Corporate interests - but it doesn't make much sense unless it's just to keep us 'masses' stirred up about any change.

Please don't buy into the fear - it takes people to scary places and scared people do crazy [snip].

reply to post by links234


my roommate has worked the same amount of hours per week and made the same amount of money for years, then within the past year he has been making less on his checks due to taxes, coincidence?

Well, since I'm dirt poor, myself that is, disabled and have been Criminalized Because of, yes...I see this whole Obama Care from probably a much more concerned lens...

Our family (he works for State) had insurance, but couldn't afford the co pays or the deductable, I became spine injured severe. Rates went up, with student loans and his child support, he dropped the insurance, it was that or be homeless. There were other reasons I wont get not here but...anyway,

Because I couldn't get surgery that I needed and was in chronic pain/and severe limited mobility, I was Criminalized for dirty house. Yes they can do that, to WOMEN, men need not worry here, my kids are teens by the way, not two, three and four. OK, so...the first thing they did was try to get me on Medicaid so they could push the assisted living (and of course make lots of tax payer fed monies). We didn't qualify, a couple of hundred dollars too much on his income, they do NOT take into account child support or student loans which are garnished. Also medical bills that are garnished ON top of that,

We dont have any automobile, only phone/web so we can sell things on Craig's to buy food. Our basic expenses are barely making even so we run in red, etc. So, I had another injury to spine due to all the state mess, etc., more med bills, which paying for one now to stay out of jail as they arrest you now for debts.

I applied for the state care, Can't get, why? PRE Existing condition, ALL of them, so, lol, OK, I can't walk, need two surgeries (MRI and spine specialist have said so) and am getting worse AND it's deemed a crime if I am bed ridden Because one can't function as parent, well ok gender role maid because they NEVER asked husband to do ANYTHING, he doesn't have to, no joke here, that's just the way it is, oh KIDS don't have to clean up either, that's Child Abuse. Again, no joke, it don't matter if your on feeding tubes, if YOU are disabled you had better have money for assistance or you in big trouble,

So, I crawl around and do what I need to do, lol, yea I have a dark humor that's how I survive the insanity of it all. I thought my case was some anamoly, NOPE, seems they are doing this to a lot of us disabled elderly/middle aged poor women, Reason is you see, they want you listed as Gravely Disabled so they can lock you up and through Court GALS like foster care, milk Medicaid and any assets you have, etc while drugging you to death. AND if you are on Medicaid you see it's Very easy for them to do, how it works,

Only thing that saved my butt was we didn't qualify for Medicaid or any other program, at the time I wasn't aware of how this goes down,,,mental health it's same way, IF you don't have insurance or Medicaid and can't pay, they don't want you, ONCE you in the system however, you are dead meat, literally. They are Drugging disabled in assisted living along with abusing them till they are brain atrophied, no joke. And Tax payers are paying for it. So, you see, most see this Obama care as insurance, I see it as Death Panel, because that's WHAT it will turn into, and HOW they do this,

Under the whole drug war, yep. On another avenue, they target doctors prescribing narcs for surgery, chronic pain, etc etc so they don't prescribe then anymore, too risky, and like me, I can't take a lot of pain Meds due to colon from the years I lived on Advil to cope with spine. Anyway, this is why surgeries for chronic conditions like spine, they prescribe Epilispy Meds, yea, don't help your spine but fries your brain so ya don't notice, LOL, OK then, that makes sense. Get you brain fried it's assisted living mental ward where they can Really play with you as lab rat, while milking money fr all kinds of fun stuff, and of course not pay for what you REALLY NEED like physical therapy, chiro, surgery, etc. so my point is, the entire Matrix of this poor folks med system, which is laughable, is nothing more than a Screening process to get you IN the system and then milk tax monies while MURDERING you slowly. They don't support alternative, like acu puncture, etc., sports physical therapies, and few surgeries except the most basic. Which in my case, wouldn't do just cause more problems (I have a deteriorating bone spine disease) so,

Now, with this Obama Care, lol, well, it won't matter as if they take any more we be on streets anyway and then to jail as they jail homeless and if disabled, I figure by cases researched I be dead by abuse plus medical neglect in few weeks anyway, so..sigh,

I THINK, the whole Obama Plan is more about Eugenics, that will be invisible behind closed doors because they already doing it, to autistic children, elderly, those in wheel chairs, etc, if they are poor OR of on Medicaid, in many states, they are being locked up and done away with, and labeled crazy or depressed etc so no One suspects anything. If you can't work due to disability/illness or can't consume much because you poor, OUT ya go.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Starchildren

 

I feel lucky for once to be a veteran with free healthcare. Yikes.

I was a little shocked when I found out how this is going to work. I didn't fully understand it until speaking with the hospital admins. I encourage everyone who does not understand it to go to their nearest hospital and sit down and have them explain it. A lot of people I know, think that this medicaid under the ACA will be easily obtained. When I explained it to them they didn't believe me and said that Obama wouldn't do this to people lol

reply to post by ThreeBears


Sorry you are having it rough. I do understand, as we are going through a situation where I'm too sick to work and my husband is the only one working. The working poor are being punished. A couple of months back they started taking out another $58 in taxes on my husband's check. That $58 was budgeted out as our gas money for every two weeks. Before this happened, my husband's hours was cut to part time. A double whammy. When my husband gets off work at 2:30 pm, he spends the rest of the afternoon job hunting, in the hopes of finding something full time. There is nothing full time around here that is open, and the jobs that do offer full time are full up and no one is hiring. We're facing some serious problems, yet I'm supposed to pay out of pocket for my insurance, or get fined. Oh and I also found out that they can garnish wages for it too.

Does everyone not understand yet how this is going to work? I don't believe so. I wonder when it will hit the masses.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Both of you are wrong, they won't do a thing, in fact, people are so used to fighting over scraps and playing the poor-man role that they will adjust and forget that this ever happened.

I’ve decided what I’m going to do. If I lose my insurance coverage because of this, I will continue to get treatment for my family when it’s needed (like normal) and I will simply refuse to pay my medical bills like 75% of the people in this country do now. I'm going to start playing the poor man role!

F-IT! I refuse to pay!

Doctors can't refuse treatment to the uninsured so either state welfare covers you OR if you are unlucky they will go to court and garnish your paycheck as much as they can.

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by links234

 

Here is a link to the Oregon plan....

HEALTH PLAN SAVINGS CALCULATOR

Let's see what people will pay....

Watch out for the "Out of Pocket" amounts.....
and let's wait and see how accurate these "Estimates" really are when the real deal hits the streets.

edit on May-14-2013 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

Shows about a 40% increase for me. However, after the tax credit, i will be paying much less than i am currently paying. Tax credit covers 61% of the premium.

What is happening is that the insurance companies are simply sopping up the extra money that the government is providing. Obamacare is nothing but a subsidy to the insurance companies. After all the excess costs it would have been cheaper just to pay for indigent care in the first place. We have to take the profit out of healthcare before it will become affordable. For those of who who think that means medical professionals won't get paid you are simply wrong. it would just direct the care and the administration towards the proper goals. Profit motive interferes with the delivery of care.