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To those that think gay marriage is wrong...Moving video

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posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:29 AM
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Some people just don't like equality.


Until we have equality for everyone, we shouldn't call our Nation a "free" Nation.




posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
No, You either have or had children. You have done your part in natural procreation.


Nope. I have no children. I cannot procreate. Never have been able to. Please answer the question. Would you deny me the right to marry?



Oldies..the same.


Dude, not everyone has children.



But I see as long as you or any other weirdo is breathing , you will be at war with heterosexuals because YOUR view is not accepted.


Um... I AM heterosexual.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
... being gay is not the norm ..


If you mean it's a minority, I think we're all well aware of that.
Blacks are a minority, too. Maybe you think they should not be permitted to marry? Because they are not the norm? Being left-handed is not the norm, either. And yes, it's relevant. If you're position is that those in the minority should be denied rights based on the fact that they are a minority, then all minorities are relevant.



infact I believe its a brain defect; along with liberalism and ACTUAL brain defects.


You're entitled to your beliefs. No one is expecting those to change.

edit on 5/14/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



You and other keep equating totally different things to being gay. Being gay is not the same as being a left handed person, Nor being black. Now there are chances of people being gay and left handed etc.. However you guys keep twisting and putting words into my mouth.

I am simply stating that people thinking gayness is normal.. it is not. If you feel you need to pornify your life with being gay .. and letting your kids be gay .. then I pray for you. I am gone.

Continue to feed your egos with unatural thoughts and desires.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by LeoStarchild
 



Originally posted by LeoStarchild
No, You either have or had children. You have done your part in natural procreation.


Nope. I have no children. I cannot procreate. Never have been able to. Please answer the question. Would you deny me the right to marry?



Oldies..the same.


Dude, not everyone has children.



But I see as long as you or any other weirdo is breathing , you will be at war with heterosexuals because YOUR view is not accepted.


Um... I AM heterosexual.


No, feel better?



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:34 AM
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If you mean it's a minority, I think we're all well aware of that. Blacks are a minority, too. Maybe you think they should not be permitted to marry? Because they are not the norm? Being left-handed is not the norm, either.
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Weak argument, blacks are not the minority in Africa but gays are the minority in every country in the world.
Also, im left handed and pretty much every thing ever made is made for right handed people, yet I dont go around demanding that every thing be ambidextrous.
Do you know why they claim that left handed people die sooner? The studies say they die from accidents because of everything is made for right handed people..
I want to live longer.. Where are my equal rights?

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The researchers, Dr. Diane F. Halpern of California State University at San Bernardino and Dr. Stanley Coren of the University of British Columbia, said the differences were striking. They cautioned, "We are not implying that using one's left hand causes a risk of earlier death." But they found that left-handers were more than five times (7.9 percent to 1.5 percent) as likely to die in accidents, often while driving. One reason, they suggested, is that left-handers live in a world designed for right-handers.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:35 AM
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How can you make that statement when there are millions of marriages and marriage ceremonies that have NOTHING to do with religion?


You are correct with the above statement, marriage is not always a religious ceremony.

What I was trying to convey is that I do not think it is right for homosexuals to argue that they should be allowed to marry say in a Catholic church or have a legal right to do so as to do so infringes on the rights of religious groups. I have no problem with homosexuals getting “married” in any religion that allows for homosexual relationships within its dogma. My issue of contention arises when a homosexual couple demands that they be allowed to Marry in a house of worship that does not permit such acts and then start to argue that it’s against their “rights” when if they had their own way they would then be going against the “rights” of the religious institution.

This is something that is starting to happen in the UK, where there is a political appetite to have all parishes in the Church of England permit homosexual marriage. I think that is wrong as homosexual couples in the UK currently have the exact same legal rights as a heterosexual couple. I personally believe that religious ministers should have the right to say no to a couple based on their sexual orientation without fear of prosecution or social demonization for expressing their right to practice their religion.

I hope this clarifies my position.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
I am simply stating that people thinking gayness is normal.. it is not.


I guess I don't know what you mean by "normal", then. I think it's normal for about 10% of a population to be gay. It's proven that this is correct throughout history. I don't mean to put words in your mouth.



If you feel you need to pornify your life with being gay


As I said, I am not gay. And "pornify" is my favorite new word!



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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Im merely trying to point out the double standard of the gay community. Its okay for them to push their agenda but are totally unwilling to hear the other side., In fact I know both sides are grid locked..But I cant voice my opinion without being looked at as some 'savage'.

Its easy science.. a P + V = babies ... gayness does not.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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As I said, I am not gay. And "pornify" is my favorite new word!


lol.. I learned you something!



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
No, feel better?


I don't feel better or worse. I feel fine.


I appreciate that you would not deny me the right to marry simply because I cannot procreate. But if you deny gay people the right to marry, then you need another reason.

It's "normal" to be able to procreate. I am not normal. By your logic, people who are not normal should not be allowed to marry. I am just showing you your hypocritical position. If your reasoning for prohibiting gay people from marrying is because they cannot procreate, then it is hypocritical that you think it's OK for me to marry.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:42 AM
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But, as a left-handed person, you are treated equally under the LAW, correct?



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
Im merely trying to point out the double standard of the gay community. Its okay for them to push their agenda but are totally unwilling to hear the other side., In fact I know both sides are grid locked..But I cant voice my opinion without being looked at as some 'savage'.

Its easy science.. a P + V = babies ... gayness does not.


When the other side says things like "gays are pornified", I can't blame gays for not being real willing to hear that. You don't like being looked at as some savage, do you? We all have feelings, and no one wants to get put down all the time.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild

Its easy science.. a P + V = babies ... gayness does not.


Let me put that equation into the 21st century for you.

P+V=Babies
P(condom/vasectomy/infertility )+V(the pill/bar/coil/infertility)=No Babies

P+P(or B)=no babies

P+P+Adoption= babies

Might not be the traditional way of doing things but it is entirely possible that you could have a heterosexual couple with no kids and a homosexual couple with a whole band of kids kicking about.

Welcome to the 21st century where the “nuclear family” is long gone.

If you don’t like it tough, that’s the reality we live in.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by Hopechest
I find it funny how those that support gay marriage insist on having their views accepted yet they do not extend that same curtesy to those that may not like it.

Very very hypocritical of them.


Firstly, it's courtesy

Secondly, so, if I am to understand your point of view, then it is hypocritical of a Gay person to want to have the right to marry, like everyone else, but it is not hypocritical of a heterosexual person to claim the right of marriage, but only for people of straight orientation?

Seems like pretty bizarre logic to me.


After all, love is all the same - regardless of race, religion or even sexual orientation. As the video points out (in a very over the top kind of way) this was a genuine relationship and yet the poor guy left behind had absolutely no rights when his partner died - he was even warned to stay away from the funeral! I think everyone, not matter who they are deserves a little more respect and freedom than that.


You really think all love is the same?

So a 40 yr. old man that falls in love with a 10 yr. old girl is the same as everyone else?

That point right there invalidates your entire post.


No, you are confusing homosexuality with Pedophilia. We have laws against that and for good reason. I did not mention age as one of the criteria. I said race, religion or sexual orientiation, not race religion, sexual orientation and sexual conduct.


Actually you said all love is the same.

I pointed out that there is some love that is wrong.

Whether you agree with gay marriage or not you have to admit that there are many people who culturally or on religious reasons simply will not accept it.

Many in the gay community refuse to acknowledge this fact and condemn anyone who disagrees with them. If they want their views to be accepted than they must be willing to accept the views of others also.



Do you think the 10 year old loves the 50 year old that's abusing her? You are twisting words to justify your hatred - nothing more.

No one is asking you to do anything you don't want to do - only to allow the same rights and freedoms to other CONSENTING couples.

Your posts in this thread are infantile and ridiculous.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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But, as a left-handed person, you are treated equally under the LAW, correct?



Being left handed isnt morally wrong and imo being gay is but I dont care what people do honestly.
I think it should be up to each individual state, the feds need to stay out of it.
If my state votes for it to be legal, so be it, I wont lose a nights sleep over it.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Berzerked

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Berzerked
 


But, as a left-handed person, you are treated equally under the LAW, correct?



Being left handed isnt morally wrong and imo being gay is but I dont care what people do honestly.
I think it should be up to each individual state, the feds need to stay out of it.
If my state votes for it to be legal, so be it, I wont lose a nights sleep over it.


It used to be considered morally wrong to be left-handed. It was "of the devil". Children were tortured into using their right hands, it was a stigma that people tried to hide. Thank goodness we've evolved beyond that now. Today, we think the whole "left hand of the devil" thing is kind of silly. That's the way we will feel about homosexuality in the next generation.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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Thanks for your response!
It clarifies your position well.


Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
What I was trying to convey is that I do not think it is right for homosexuals to argue that they should be allowed to marry say in a Catholic church or have a legal right to do so as to do so infringes on the rights of religious groups.


I actually agree completely. The truth is, churches CAN discriminate. Legally. I don't agree with discrimination, but under our current legal structure, churches are allowed to discriminate. So, I would NOT support forcing churches to marry gay people.


I personally believe that religious ministers should have the right to say no to a couple based on their sexual orientation without fear of prosecution or social demonization for expressing their right to practice their religion.


Just curious, do you think churches should have the legal right to say no to a couple based on other "sins" they may be committing? In other words, if a couple is divorced, can the church say no? What if they have a child out of wedlock?

I do think they should be legally allowed to deny the religious ceremony based on their religious beliefs. Whether or not they're "demonized" is going to be up to the public square. And I think it should be.

But marriage (legal marriage) is a state-offered contract, that should be offered to all adult, consenting citizens of that state.

Thanks again.



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 10:01 AM
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Youre confusing morals with superstitions but whatever, there are never any winners in this debate.
This is the last thing ill say in this thread.
Gays need to stop trying to force/shame people into accepting something they dont want to accept.
Stop walking around naked and performing gay sex acts in the Folsom Street Fairs, if heteros did that, they would be arrested and stop labeling everyone that doesnt agree with you, hateful homophobes.
Work on that and you may be earn more peoples respect.

(when i say "you" i dont actually mean you.. just a generalization.)



posted on May, 14 2013 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by LeoStarchild
Im merely trying to point out the double standard of the gay community.


And I'm pointing out your double-standard.




Its easy science.. a P + V = babies ... gayness does not.


No one is arguing that. A gay couple cannot reproduce without getting some outside help. That's a well-known scientific fact. The question, then, is, "Should people who cannot reproduce be denied the right to marry"?



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