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posted on Jun, 3 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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A scenario of prophetic events I am completely fine with (It is less hazardous to believe):

With Russia....War breaks out....

Vladimir Putin is no more guilty than the leaders of the other nations involved at the beginning of the great war.

Within a year of the start of the war, perhaps even as little as a month, Vladimir Putin dies (assassination, heart-attack, etc). Imagine the reaction of the Russian people to the death of their defender at such a moment. Consequently, out of the chaos, a Russian Hitler rises to the Presidency to take Vladimir Putin's place. So begins fulfillment of the parts of the Fatima secrets that are already known.


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posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 04:22 AM
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we may not have that long time, or we will...time will tell.

The solar storms became unprecedented and unpredictable. That speaks of the possibility of another celestial body generator of solar wind, a Brown Dwarf star. The storm on May 31-June 1 was not originated by the sun.
I say it as hypothesis that gains force over the years, and found place even on a CNN blog (the idea of BDstar exists in solar system).

In terms of prophecy language, that would be Akita punishment by fire (corresponding to 2 Peter).
M+g+r foundation assumes direct Chastisement without warning and miracle. Without approving much of what they say (and why it should be so, why should I put "excuses" all the time to quote someone or put some idea out), that sounds possible to me to have Chastisement without any prerequisites predicted in other apparitions that extend to numerous pre-events and pre-signs that never took place in the last 20 years. It shouldn't surprise anyone if they have been put aside because of the people's non-responsiveness and the major Chastisement to hit directly. IMO there won't be survivors on the surface, although the theory of refuges suggests so. (still those are in refuges not on the surface).



posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 05:44 AM
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so you need Putin to die because Putin is just too good to play the role of the antichrist or even precursor? Never close to Hitler?

How about a scenario without antichrist NOW. How about the earth is depopulated by a combination of nuclear and planetary disasters. The saved humanity on different planets comes back to restore the earth some thousands of years later. And the End time Revelation will play out when its real time comes.

There is a need of evangelization of the universe. Because Jesus said so in his last words on this planet before ascension. Do not change the words of the Son of God! Read them in original if needed. He didn't say " go to evangelize the American Indians" only. A new reread of the Gospel is needed, with new gospels hidden to be included.
You cannot have Second Coming of Jesus before that is done first.
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posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 07:50 AM
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What happened was a message was given to the Pope in 1917 and no follow through
as yet as determined by many that have given the so called Fatima Conspiracy many
years of scrutiny. I have determined based on recent events people have not changed
since the old Testament. The prophets foretold and the people didn't listen. Now its
the New Testament people doing the same after great saving graces were pronounced.
Here is crux of the matter. By spiritual power the Pope from South America was elected
almost certainly from the populous 40% Catholic region. If the messages of Fatima are
carried out Russia would be converted. Whatever shape Russian Catholicism would
take there seems to be hesitance in going forward. Russia as the next 40% Catholic
region must now be on the minds of the administrators as evident as back in 1917
that thought also occurred.



posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by 2012newstart
so you need Putin to die because Putin is just too good to play the role of the antichrist or even precursor? Never close to Hitler?

How about a scenario without antichrist NOW. How about the earth is depopulated by a combination of nuclear and planetary disasters. The saved humanity on different planets comes back to restore the earth some thousands of years later. And the End time Revelation will play out when its real time comes.






With those words OP you are obviously intent on believing the Fatima Prophecies are false.


I don't care one bit about your imagined end times scenario, I only care about the future as revealed by the true prophecies.



Fatima states with no uncertain terms IT IS RUSSIA THAT UNLEASHES THE PERSECUTION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, IT IS RUSSIA THAT PROVOKES GREAT WARS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Our Lady of Fatima states - Russia "will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph."


Sister Elena Aiello - "Russia, spurred on by Satan, will seek to dominate the whole world and, by bloody revolutions, will propagate her false teachings throughout all the nations, especially in Italy. The Church will be persecuted and the Pope and the priests shall suffer much.”


Sister Elena Aiello - "‘Russia will march upon all the nations of Europe, particularly Italy, and will raise her flag over the dome of St. Peter's. Italy will be severely tried by a great revolution, and Rome will be purified in blood for its many sins.’"

It was Pope Benedict XVI that elevated Aiello. I think the Pope understands what the Third Secret of Fatima is really about and whether Aiello's prophecies align with the Third Secret.


Pope John Paul II, revealed one of the reasons he did not wish to publish the Third Secret was to avoid provoking the world powers of communism into certain moves. Since the Fatima prophecies do not speak precisely about communism and communist nations but rather about Russia and "Russia's errors," Pope JPII was actually indicating that the Third Secret was remaining a secret to avoid provoking RUSSIA into...certain moves[enmity with the Catholic Church]

If Aiello's prophecy states "Russia, spurred on by Satan," and Pope JPII indicates Russia will not at all be pleased to hear the words of the Third Secret.....???????




From Malachi Martin's book "The Keys of this Blood":

PAGE 634 - "If there was one dominant element in that 'Third Secret,' it was Russia. The provisos of the 'Third Secret' made sense only in relation to Russia....The geopolitical change implied by the "Third Secret" was not far off. RUSSIA WAS ITS WOMB. Russia was it's focal point. Russia was to be the main agent of change."


PAGE 631 - ""Russia, according to the text of the 'Third Secret,' was the regulator of the timetable."


PAGE 630 - 631 "Lucia's single-page written formulation of the "Third Secret" covers three main topics. (i) A physical chastisement of the nations, involving catastrophes, man made or natural, on land, on water and in the atmosphere of the globe. (ii) A spiritual chastisement, far more frightening and distressing--especially for Roman Catholics--than physical hardship, since it would consist of the disappearance of religious belief(and ensuing persecution)...(iii) A central function of Russia in the two preceding series of events. In fact, the physical and spiritual chastisements, according to Lucia's letter, are to be gridded on a fateful timetable in which Russia is the ratchet."

John Bosco's dream revelation, confirms fully to me that the 2nd Secret of Fatima pertains far more to the final persecution of the Catholic Church (not the final persecution of Christians though) and to world war 3, than it does to world war 2.


Either the Fatima prophecies are unfriendly to Vladimir Putin or the Fatima prophecies are against his successor if the time is that short. Which do you prefer? Oh right, you prefer to start Fatima threads with no acceptance of the Fatima prophecies.

MAJOR WAR certainly might start under Putin, but he is not so extreme as to be the one foretold for Russia when the great persecution arrives.

OP, your happy to crucify the Catholic Pope for failing to bow down to your fantasy about alien space ship rescues, but God forbid I embrace the view of the Fatima Prophecies about Russia.

You are clearly not a supporter of the Fatima prophecies.

Alien spaceships, dark conspiracies, time travel, sudden nuclear annihilation of the planet, blaming the Catholic Pope (even though your not Catholic) for not stopping the nuclear holocaust ..... Those are your things, what you support.




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posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 01:07 PM
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I do not see it as a Catholic Apparition making people view Russia as the enemy. Rather I see it as God imposing upon the Pope a message that will make Russia view Catholicism as the enemy.



posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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At the pivotal moment, when time runs out, and the Pope is forced to reveal the Third Secret.....

What if......

Indeed the Third Secret of Fatima states something that absolutely enrages the political elite in Russia.....

And next comes the Russian leader fueled by ambition and revenge, sweeping across Europe with nuclear blackmail, and tearing apart the Catholic Church's...

Will not the great majority (non Catholics and Catholics alike), blame THE POPE AND THIS FATIMA SECRET for poking a ferocious bear straight in the eye.....

...The Pope receives the blame for all the destruction caused by the bear in it's fury ??? And Fatima is despised.
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posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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It seems to me the Third Secret contains a Catch-22.

If the Pope reveals the Secret right now, the reaction of Russia would be muted. (Perhaps the Russian Orthodox Church would declare the Pope "Persona Non Grata." But the Catholic Church should be able to live with that.) They might even laugh off the Pope for silly behavior out of the middle ages.

But, to reveal the Secret right now, it would damage the reputation of the Catholic Church. ==>

Undoubtedly the Third Secret also mentions the sins within the Church -- the great Apostasy. To reveal the secret today, might be to discredit many Cardinals and Bishops (??). Maybe the whole lot of them (?????).

To publish the Third Secret at the last possible moment that Heaven permits, is to be forced by God to publish the secret when the conditions inside Russia (ie: war has already started) and inside the Church are so ripe and sensitive that fury and rage erupts from all corners against the Pope in reaction to the unveiling of the SECRET.
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posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 10:58 PM
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From what has been revealed so far and in the opinions of many following
the prophesies and further revelations and events of today Russia still has
a chance to spread so called errors. Given no one is error free the only
predictions are things get worse in perhaps demoralizing attitudes and
not the forced takeover and ruling type of control, but perhaps always
possible as a secret movement. I don't see Russia taking over the
fashion world but that might as well go down like the rest of us if the
wishes and messages are not completed. I don't know if secrets have
to be revealed since the gathering of bishops for dedications have met
with success against Russia or populous threats in a number of countries.
So looks like a sort of non weapon takeover like those telling us about a
New World Order and they will wake up with Russia moving the strings.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 01:36 PM
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The news:
Russian President Vladimir Putin and his wife announce their 'marriage is over' rt.com...

I don't see any more errors bigger than those of the West, in terms of morality, social and so on. Communism is done with in Russia, at least for now. It is a capitalist country. I doubt OL meant that anyway. More churches are built in Russia than in the West. But Russia refuses to play not only the bad guy Fatima role, but also the bad guy Ezekiel 39 role. If you open the book of Revelation 20, you will see Gog and Magog are there after the Millennium. 2 Gogs and Magogs? Who knows may be only God. Given the Gospels themselves have been grossly changed by early christian era to fit Rome, what to say about a private revelation such as Fatima. At the end we know we don't know anything. And some of you guys don't know even that. As the philosopher said.



posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 04:08 PM
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The ways of the Illuminati and masons and fashion give Putin what he wants.
I think those backing Fatima are looking to see what spiritual power can do.
The 40% in South America are enjoying their spiritual conquest and there
may be possible changes perhaps side stepping the Illuminati and masons
and whoever to fulfill the promise of Fatima that many hold true.



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 10:01 AM
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I find irreparable flaws in the current theories. Only full revelation - of Fatima and of all secret texts from Bible time, may make the picture clear. If it is done at all until that time. It is useless to discuss endless other issues, if we don't have clarity on the main ones. What was not told in 1960 is still not told today.

I advice everyone to watch Ancient Aliens - The von Daniken Legacy S05E10 - 06/04/2013 www.youtube.com...
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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 03:22 AM
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Ancient Aliens (New) - Season 5 Episode 2 - Aliens and Cover Up's
speaking of Vatican alien contacts cover up thru history. Fatima apparition and esp. the hidden 3rd secret represented as delivering message of incoming extraterrestrial visit.

I haven't watched that episode before posting my own observations and hypotheses on the matter in this and other threads. Whatever your view is, it is highly recommended you enlarge your basis of knowledge by watching these films that are watched now by millions around the globe in their own language. I find the lack of basic knowledge and the willingness to obtain it a staggering fact among many, many intelligent catholics.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 12:58 AM
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In the above video min 23 the speaker said Fatima message 3 is about extraterrestrial presence and that is why it is hidden. Again I didn't know that episode of Ancient Aliens when I reached to that idea independently. Perhaps many others did, as I see other threads in this forum alone. It is good finally the truth makes its way although thru such non- standard non-catholic outlets of information that reach the ends of the earth, while the catholic ones keep deepest silence or quote old information at best.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:46 AM
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I will say it once more: I do not defend Russia, neither try to skew the prophecy because Russia is/was/will be the bad guy. Russia converts in the prophecy.

What I think and discuss in this and other threads, is that the prophecy is already skewed and brutally changed. May be not only the 3rd message, but it is enough.

What the church is afraid to say openly, cannot be: WW3, asteroid impact, and is very unlikely to be antichrist entering the ranks in 1960, as Bayside banned prophecy claims. Because he/they would be dead by now. What the RCVC fears to tell openly is the extraterrestrial truth. Only this could be enclosed in Fatima and other secrets (Medjugorje the most recent one). Because no big church dares to put its prestige on test and to tell her flock what has been taught of anges for centuries is one small part of the bigger truth. That includes the entire cosmos. Perhaps the churches (far not only RCC) will find strength to do it now, when the whole civilized society worldwide that reads internet, is fairly informed the ET exist and are here. It is a matter of time, but the positions of the churches are coined now under curtain. Some say, July will be the big revelation in the society. I just don't know and wait as everyone honest researcher waits to see the end of his unbiased quest for the truth.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:04 AM
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Spiritdaily comes with a headline


TIME-LINE OF FATIMA SHOWS REMARKABLE EVENTS OCCURRING ON DATES THAT SAIL BEYOND COINCIDENCE www.excerptsofinri.com...

with the link of that Fatima website.

Good, I don't say all those dates are wrong. But all those dates and private revelations gven to Lucia are told the public Post factum. Not on the ground of apparitions before the public in 1917! What we have as second message has been released just in 1941 when Ww2 has been already a fact. In the conditions of secluded monastery life, with the vows she gave, it is very difficult to imagine Lucia going to the press and speaking back in that time. It is absurd. All info that we have is carefully censored by Vatican. Even if true, it is not full. Even if all is true about Russia consecration, still a major portion of the message received on July 13, 1917 (not on Oct 13 the sun miracle!) is a secret. Please, let do not change the facts, you specialists in Fatima !Including Spiritdaily! The secret part is not revelaed in 2000. At best, 2000 vision is a separate vision, not a part of the July 13, 1917 text.

Why not asteroid, comet, or WW3 then? Because we all know those things are possible, and if it was something like that, the Vatican didn't have to worry too much to release it. The fear to say the truth is much bigger than the fear to tell the people: WW3 will happen with the current trends. Or: asteroid will hit the earth in the next 20 years, let see what we can do in terms of underground bunkers.

I am sorry such good writers are completely taken by the wave of conspiracy and secrecy and do not want to think with their heads. They will be bitterly sorry on Day X when the extraterrestrial truth will be revealed. Then they will receive other orders what to write. But it wil be too late. The people will get the info directly from the ET beings. As I suppose some of today's screen players actualy are. I will not name anyone. One of them just gave the date July 2 as date of Disclosure ET. He might be wrong. But the time has already passed. I guess the 100,000 - 200,000 fundamental catholics will never accept the truth even if told by Our Lady or the pope, or Jesus Christ himself. But the other millions perhaps will accept the truth of the creation and their own place in it.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:23 AM
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The New Order Mass since 1969 has essentially been training two generations of Catholics to believe the Masonic, Jesuit lie. When Jesus Christ asks these meek Novus Ordo Satanic Mass attendees, "Who do you say that I am?," they have been taught to answer: "You are the son of the Lord (the Devil)." This answer sends multitudes to Hell and Lucifer's Freemasonic Hierarchy wins their souls. Please make no mistake about the severity of this Satanic Mass and understand why it is such a grave sin to go. It is simply required to know the central point of the Catholic Faith, that Our Lord Jesus Christ is God. This is the key to Heaven.


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My mission is not to indicate to the world the material punishments which are certain to come if the world does not pray and do penance beforehand. No. My mission is to indicate to everyone the imminent danger we are in of losing our souls for all eternity if we remain obstinate in sin... it is necessary for each one of us to begin to reform himself spiritually. Each person must not save only his own soul, but all the souls that God hasa placed on our path... The devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Virgin. And a decisive battle is the final battle where one side will be victorious and the oher side will suffer defeat. Hence from now on we must choose sides. Either we are for God or we are for the devil. There is no other possibility. God is giving two last remedies to the world. These are the Holy Rosary and devotion to the immaculate heart of (Our Lady). These are the last two remedies which signify that there will be no others... the most holy virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem, no matter how difficult it is, even of the life of peoples and nations, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary. With the Holy Rosary, we will save ourselves. We will sanctify ourselves. We will console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls. Finally, devotion to the immaculate heart of (Our Lady), our most holy Mother, consists in considering her as the seat of mercy, of goodness, and of pardon, and as the certain door by which we are to enter Heaven." -


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I found the source very interesting...nice collection of rare books...



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:24 AM
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the new pope, together with his brothers the eastern patriarchs, lose precious time that wll never be given back again. Tomorrow the people will learn the truth directly from the extraterrestrial spaceships in the air, in their own language. BTW the new pope didn't do anything new so far. I am afraid he will turn the wheel back, once the first wave of extraterrestrials passes by. Then they may be damned as evil alien demons. I really hope the pope and the patriarchs do not intend something like that. Time will tell. From Day 1 of extraterrestrial appearing, I will listen to Them and not to the earthly churches. Still the earthy churches have some chance to tell us their version of the truth. No only Fatima, but also the book of Enoch and so many other secrets that they know fairly well. It is a shame we continue to discuss that in 21st century. Thanks God some extraterrestrials already inform us on programs such as Ancient Aliens. Human ET are indistinguishable from us. It is speculated for Tesla for ex. Why not in our days - actually the Canadian defense minister said exactly that - some human ET work in Washington DC.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:37 AM
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if you are fundamental catholic please do not pray for my conversion. Rather pray for opening your heart to God, as OL asks in so many apparitions. Please do not pray for me! I turn back all your prayers at this moment. The prayer is not a magic that some orthodox catholics practice with all their sincerity but wrong. They practically do magic rituals. The prayer is in first place conversation with God. If you are not open to the fount of grace given by apparitions, and also thru the Holy Gospel (however changed in centuries), if you deny Ezekiel 1, you will deny every my next word. I don't need and don't want your prayers and I ask archangel Michael in this moment to make a separation wall between me and those fundamental catholics who will see in his angels coming to rescue them according to the Gospel - demons. They probably already see demons in everyone who dares to say the truth. The real demonic creatures are in another place, but this time I will not talk about that. Once you are left behind, dear fundamental preachers (far not only catholics) then you will have limited number of options. I still don't believe it is the End times sequence, but it might turn to be at the end of the day. You will be left behind, because you didn't want to be rescued. And those in position helped very little (let say 2-3 good interviews) so only the people who think could see the truth.
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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 04:04 AM
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I said the above words only for certain category of people. Because one of them "drove me out" in another thread started by myself and dedicated to the Chastisement and unfulfilled Great Warning. As if I am the demon she sought so much. I forgot that and forgave that. And came back to the forum only because new developments happened. Namely the election of the new pope. Now we are in the down of even bigger developments. Such as the public ET disclosure, one way or another. I just suggested above of a rescue-style intervention. It might be otherwise. They might come to stay on earth. In anyway, I will not stand if someone wants to demonize my words. If someone can answer logically to the evidence I provide, including Ancient Aliens series, then please do so. If not, I will not enter into yet another "drive the demon out" scenario. That's why I said I don't need your prayers. No thanks! You need them more than myself, to grasp a small portion of the truth. Because the Gospels were cut off in first place. There are books banned back then in the first centuries. There are many things that you and I simply don't know, were denied to know by the so called "church fathers" who led by Constantine, a pagan chief priest and emperor, molten what we know today as New testament and the founding blocks of a new religion. Not the communities established by Jesus Christ. I wonder who will dare to acknowledge that the Nicaea council was rubber stamped by the hi priest of the Roman gods, and that outside the boat were left quite many and omportant books?

So if you don't believe my reasoning of Fatima, or that of Ancient Aliens, then reason by yourself why there aren't quite old Gospels found. Why there is Constantine who is not a saint in the Roman calendar. Why the heretics were burnt since that time. And so many questions that the sober thinking mind should have asked. Now some quarrel of the lithurgy that dates back to Tridentine council. Pardon me? Go back to before Nicaea to know the truth. How did Jesus ascend to heaven? Nobody talks. Who were the two men in white clothes and without wings? Nobody talks. Perhaps those are cut off parts of the Gospel. Visions. Where are the resurrected ancient prophets that the Gospel of Matthew talks about at the time of the Crucifixion? Nobody deemed it necessary to say a word of them? To speak more of the 12 legions of angels that Jesus could call, as if they are an extraterrestrial fleet, to defeat physically his enemies? Open your minds and hearts, despite the centuries barrier in psychology and gross changes of the texts. Don't believe me, believe your own conclusions. Some master you like puppets all the time.





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