Ohio Exit Polls in: Kerry Won!

At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined with�and therefore contaminated by�the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. [To read about the skewing of exit polls to conform to official results[url=At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined with�and therefore contaminated by�the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. [To read about the skewing of exit polls to conform to official results, click here .]
Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.

Tom Paine

Bush won Ohio by 136,483 votes. Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of votes cast are voided�known as "spoilage" in election jargon�because the ballots cast are inconclusive. Drawing on what happened in Florida and studies of elections past, Palast argues that if Ohio�s discarded ballots were counted, Kerry would have won the state. Today, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports there are a total of 247,672 votes not counted in Ohio, if you add the 92,672 discarded votes plus the 155,000 provisional ballots. So far there's no indication that Palast's hypothesis will be tested because only the provisional ballots are being counted.

Additional Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

I'm crunching numbers folks, and I'm coming out with the numbers for Kerry as well. Here's more data from the Ohio County office

However, if Kerry plans to be present at the ceremonies on Inauguration Day, he'd probably better make sure he is carrying his written invitation with him.

Liberal reporting, at its best......nice work BT.
Take a look at your wordings in the article's BT. Take your Tom Paine article, please notice this word, k?

...if you add...

More of the 'what if's' presented courtesy of you and the liberal leaning left?
All your doing and others is creating more myths and legends...

Another thing I noticed is that you, as is the article(s), are assuming that Mr. Kerry would have recieved the entire amount of the provisional votes. Is that correct, cause if it is, please refer to case and point on the word: IF! Do we need to go into a discussion of the matter of IF's? 'If' is a mighty big word with even bigger implications.

Yeah....IF Mr. Kerry would have gotten this and that, he would have NOT conceded, etc.....IF....*shakes head*

This topic stains Mr. Kerry and demeans what he knew, his staff knew, and why they graciously conceded.


seekerof

[edit on 5-11-2004 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Seekerof
assuming that Mr. Kerry would have recieved the entire amount of the provisional votes.

Everyone, even the liberal MSM, has admitted the exit polls were
screwed up.

Provisional votes are provisional for a reason ... they are suspect
and may or may not be legal votes. So ... the first thing that would
have to happen is the provisional votes would be screened to see
if they were legal. How many people double or triple voted with
provisional votes skipping around town? It happens a lot!

So ... a bunch of provisional votes get tossed out for being illegal.
Even if Kerry got ALL the provisional votes (impossible), he still
wouldn't have enough votes to make up the distance.

Kerry was (surprising to me) gracious and admitted defeat.
He didn't drag America through another 2000 election.

For those who are disappointed in the election, turn your eyes to
Hillary and 2008. She's competant and she has real power to be
elected. Hillary vs Rudy in 2008. Should be interesting.


[edit on 11/5/2004 by FlyersFan]

When all of the methods of tallying votes were clearly, and bi-partisanly questioned? Republicans question , severely , e-votes with no papertrail. As welll as suspect partisan state secretaries.

I really don't get it: this was not a clean vote by any stretch & this will not be the last time that the exit polls show large discrepancies with the actual vote.
But not a peep since it was the LiarFuehrer, huh?

Such patriots!

Where have I been this last year?
You need ask?

You still didn't address the matter of "if", BT, nor did you address the matter of the assumtion that Mr. Kerry would have recieved the entirety of the provisional votes in your self-patriotic comment.


seekerof

Just out of curiosity.... what makes you think the exit polls were screwed up and not the actual vote count?

Another note. 70% of the voting stations in Ohio are the punch card variety as used in south Florida in 2000. The rest are the electronic ones with no audit trail. Worst of both worlds perhaps?

The sad part is that the liberals just don't get it. America is more conservative than they are liberal. look at the county map for the election. a lot more red than blue. You can only buy the minority vote for so long. The Democratic Party had better hope that the minorities don't bolt.

Symantics. I want a stop, drop & vett. EVERY STATE that has EVoting but no paper trails has an unexplained advantage for Bush of around +5% when comparing exit polls to actual results. In EVERY STATE that has paper audit trails on their EVoting, the exit poll results match the actual results reported within the margin of error. So, we have MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting with audits vs. A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits.

THAT IS ALL I'm ASKING.

So there were states that had NO PAPER TRAILS???

Without paper trails you can easily commit fraud!!!

You are basing your asumtions on flawed exit polling. Many people for whatever reason may have not wanted to admit who they voted for IMHO. It goes on at ATS too. THere are alot of people it seems that either want to seem in and hip, or "not another ignorant American" to the crowd here but may have been closet Bush supporters IMHO.

If there really was this global fraud, why did'nt Kerry call down his lawyers like some biblical plague????

"Assumption" is symantics, is it not BT?
Again, your assuming that Mr. Kerry would have recieved all those discarded and provisional votes.
Another obvious flaw is that you are, as you say:

...MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting with audits vs. A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits.

Keywords there: exit polls...
They were wrong.
They were OFF.
And yet, you people still insist on using them knowing that they were flawed? And you assert the word: "symantics".......yes sir, symantics, indeed.




seekerof

[edit on 5-11-2004 by Seekerof]

Sure Kerry won Ohio

but, even if he did, Kerry still wants Bush to be president, thats why he gave up and let Bush win.

Kerry and Bush both have the same great great gandfather. They are both part of the same elite bloodline. They are both members of the organization started in germany. They both want the same things. This election was staged to take away spotlight from the third partys, just like 2000.

Originally posted by aukaiman55


Kerry and Bush both have the same great great gandfather. They are both part of the same elite bloodline. They are both members of the organization started in germany.

Where did you get all of that from???

Bandit.... that is the case and that is exactly the point he is making.

jrsdls.... don't get excited about land coverage. The number of people is what matters. It was pretty close to even this election. Remember..... those horrible liberals accounted for a majority of the vote the previous 3 elections. And with the new evote system without the audit there is no way to know for sure if this wouldn't have been the same again this year.

It has been reported that the "exit" polls were "stuffed" by Kerry supporters, in paticular Moveon.org.

Originally posted by TheBandit795



Where did you get all of that from???

It's been on here several times and confirmed.

Originally posted by DrHoracid
It has been reported that the "exit" polls were "stuffed" by Kerry supporters, in paticular Moveon.org.

lol.. you can't stuff an exit poll. But nice try.

Wake up people!!! There might be a conspiracy here!!!

Wrong Time for an E-Vote Glitch

Demand Grows to Require Paper Trails for Electronic Votes

Electronic voting minus paper trails makes it easy to rig elections

We should stick with paper ballots. Like we've always used. When you spend as much money as was done on this current election you can bet there will be cheating when possible. Especially when the manufacturer of one of the voting systems is promising to deliver a state to the president. That virtually guarantees cheating. Frankly there should be a criminal investigation launched against Diebold for election tampering. There is more going against them than Scott Peterson.