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Stateless Citizens: More Americans Than Ever Giving up Citizenship

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posted on May, 12 2013 @ 04:55 PM
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From tax reasons to moral issues, more and more US citizens are handing in their citizenship. And who can blame them?

With rising taxes almost everywhere one turns it's become a no-brainer for many. Of course a lot of these people have the means to up and leave but what about those that simply cannot afford to just leave? These are the ones that will continue to be sucked dry of all they have.

And the moral stand? If one feels that their Country is no longer listening to the population and is acting like a mad dog on the World stage, should they have the right to leave? I believe so. I know that I would.



A very attractive place to escape to? Belize!

www.escapeartist.com... banks and international companies who base themselves in Belize find they benefit from a government committed to a no tax system and they work protected by laws and with infrastructure designed to ensure total privacy and provide complete asset protection.

Add to these benefits the fact that Belize’s primary language is English, the laws of the country are based on the British legal system and property prices and the cost of living in Belize are very low and you can see now why Belize remains one of THE most popular, successful and safe tax havens of the world...even for US citizens!


Just to be clear tho, this isn't happening only in the US. I know many Canadians starting to think along the same lines. If the US thinks their taxes are high, try the Great White North.


And is it cheap to abandon ship? Not at all.

Exit Tax:


www.isla-offshore.com... you have taken the far-reaching and irrevocable decision of giving up your US citizenship to permanently disconnect from your US tax obligation, you still have to settle your exit with the IRS. On June 17, 2008 a new law came into force that made the process relatively easier. However, if you are wealthy enough, giving up your US citizenship proves to be a rather expensive step.


Peace

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posted on May, 12 2013 @ 05:09 PM
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Hmmmmmmm, and who exactly has the money to do this???

I can assure you I don't know anyone wealthy enough to give up their citizenship and leave the country!

Perhaps we should examine those whom are doing this and take a peek at their relationship with the government elite?



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by seeker1963
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Hmmmmmmm, and who exactly has the money to do this???

I can assure you I don't know anyone wealthy enough to give up their citizenship and leave the country!

Perhaps we should examine those whom are doing this and take a peek at their relationship with the government elite?


That's a point I made in the OP as well. Who can afford it? Most people would have a problem with the plane tickets.

Is it a look into what's coming? The elite abandoning their sinking ship and leaving the rats to scrounge for scraps? Kinda looks that way doesn't it?

Peace



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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i remember reading somewhere that obama had a world passport i saw a site that said in 1948 we were all considered citizens of the earth look it up



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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Is it a look into what's coming? The elite abandoning their sinking ship and leaving the rats to scrounge for scraps? Kinda looks that way doesn't it?


That's what makes me nervous........

However, due to the fact I have abused my body and don't have a whole lot of time left on this piece of rock, I have dedicated what is left of my time here to die for the freedom of those whom SHOULD have a right to live out their lives as free human beings.......

I know it sounds harsh, but it is what it is.....

Kinda like the song by Muse where the lyrics state....

FLICK THE SWITCH AND OPEN YOUR THIRD EYE, YOU'D SEE THAT WE SHOULD NEVER BE AFRAID TO DIE.........



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by billdadobbie
i remember reading somewhere that obama had a world passport i saw a site that said in 1948 we were all considered citizens of the earth look it up


There is indeed such a thing. I was made aware of it last year actually.

www.worldservice.org...

From the front page:

"Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."


en.wikipedia.org... to the World Service Authority website, some World Passports have reportedly been accepted on a case-by-case basis by over 150 countries (i.e. they have been stamped with a national visa or entry or exit stamp), and several countries have accorded the document legal recognition.[21] Success in crossing a border using a World Passport is generally attributable to the whim or ignorance of individual immigration officers, not official recognition of the document.

The World Passport is similar in appearance to a national passport or other travel document. Indeed, the appearance is so close that in 1974 a criminal case was lodged against Garry Davis in France regarding his issuance of World Passports.[2] In 1979, the World Passport was a 42-page document, with a dark blue cover, and text in English, Spanish, French, Russian, Arabic, Chinese, and Esperanto. It contained a five-page section for medical history and a six-page section for listing organisational affiliation. The fee charged at that time was $32 and postage for a three-year passport with the possibility of two years' extension of validity.[3]

The latest edition of the World Passport was issued January 2007. It has an embedded "ghost" photo for security, covered with a plastic film.


So it looks like anyone can get one.

Peace

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posted on May, 12 2013 @ 05:48 PM
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it makes you wonder why all those people are getting smuggled into countrys when they can get a passport for about $100 dollars ? my passport is now out of date so i will be trying this soon



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by billdadobbie
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it makes you wonder why all those people are getting smuggled into countrys when they can get a passport for about $100 dollars ? my passport is now out of date so i will be trying this soon


I'm sure the ATS crowd would love to have you post a thread on it.


Let us know!

Peace



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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From the link you provided

AFFIRMATION


I, the undersigned, do hereby, willingly and consciously, declare myself to be a Citizen of the World. As a World Citizen, I affirm my planetary civic commitment to WORLD GOVERNMENT, founded on three universal principles of One Absolute Value, One World, and One Humanity which constitute the basis of World Law. As a World Citizen I acknowledge the WORLD GOVERNMENT as having the right and duty to represent me in all that concerns the General Good of humankind and the Good of All. As a Citizen of World Government, I affirm my awareness of my inherent responsibilities and rights as a legitimate member of the total world community of all men, women, and children, and will endeavor to fulfill and practice these whenever and wherever the opportunity presents itself. As a Citizen of World Government, I recognize and reaffirm citizenship loyalties and responsibilities within the communal state, and/or national groupings consistent with the principles of unity above which constitute now my planetary civic commitment.


Sounds touching in a communal kinda way, no?

My question would be you enter a country with your World Passport; stamps, hugs, and kisses because you are coming to spend money. Upon exit reviewing your World Passport and visa the exit officer determines you entered the country fraudulently. No hugs. unless of the bear kind, ?kisses? (depends on your room mate in their club fed), cuffs, and more money to get out of your new domestic entanglement. Sounds like I will pass.

I can change my citizenship in the country of my wife's birth. We own property there.....just cost money but even then there are expediters who know someone who can fix things for a fee cheaper than formal government fees and certainly quicker for sure.

My wife can become a U.S. citizen and we have discussed both sides of the equation/situation. We plan on leaving things the way they are now. Also you will give up your rights to Social Security and Medicare benefits. Medicare is not a big deal but many who are retired will lose their monthly SS they paid into all their working lives. Even a foreign national spouse has to stay in the USA for 90 or 120? days each year or lose the SS spouse benefits.

If we were rich or were making money overseas then unless we wanted to pay U.S. taxes.... I would have to change my citizenship. The U.S. tracks any money earned even when you are in a foreign country and expects you to help them with their 16 trillion debt bomb which will be 20 trillion if the rumors are correct by 2016. I have paid all my life and they have wasted all my life. I pay what I have to because if I don't the full weight of the IRS will be on me and mine like snot on a door knob....uck.......I can not even pull my retirement out and stick it in a bank/investment overseas that pays more than I am getting here without paying at least 35% tax on everything I have saved......Sorry, kind of a pet peeve of mine. Like people who say it is OK to raise their taxes because it is for a good cause....whose cause are they talking about? The big government socialist of America cause?? Not my cause, they can pay their own way........ for sure.




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posted on May, 12 2013 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by jude11
 



Is it a look into what's coming? The elite abandoning their sinking ship and leaving the rats to scrounge for scraps? Kinda looks that way doesn't it?


That's what makes me nervous........

However, due to the fact I have abused my body and don't have a whole lot of time left on this piece of rock, I have dedicated what is left of my time here to die for the freedom of those whom SHOULD have a right to live out their lives as free human beings.......

I know it sounds harsh, but it is what it is.....

Kinda like the song by Muse where the lyrics state....

FLICK THE SWITCH AND OPEN YOUR THIRD EYE, YOU'D SEE THAT WE SHOULD NEVER BE AFRAID TO DIE.........


Seeker, I had to star you and add as a friend for that post.
This spinning rock is slimy with evil, and only blood can rinse it back
into the ground where it belongs. I hope for much less blood than what
may be soon.
Longevity sometimes has the moral advantage of appreciating life's value, as
time goes on with us... and the stigma of caution.
The only advantage now to a psychopathic system is the absence of caution.

Awakened of all ages are though beginning to see who are holding the whips.
Maybe the culling is close...but hey, living in fear is death with a pulse



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 07:17 PM
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I wouldn't be overly concerned by this. Americans can and will leave from time to time. In this time of extreme political friction, especially so. The really telling part isnit is those with the means to do so. The point to worry is when it is those without the means to do so start leaving. When it is the wealthy leaving it means mmore opportunity for the rest of us really.



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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I believe in giving up citizenship, without leaving your birthland and without signing or paying anything. Just declare it, and mean it. All else is shadow and you don't have to comply and you have full rights to be where you wish, and not be forced to move. Whether or not you can get away without paying taxes or not, ie waiting for majority to wake up, is not all that important. Do the right thing and don't throw pearls to swines or martyr yourself without huge numbers.

Though I do like that song by Muse, the universe is really sick to death of martyrs, a revolution with envisioining, bullhorns, meditation and prayers, but with a majority up and never sitting down again, is the best kind. I would never ever join them in their murder incorporation to get the world back.

We came here to improve our own imperfections and overcome our own flaws in the infinite diamond of our souls, so do the right thing.

you didn't really come here just to avoid taxes, but to start to wake up to your soul abilities Within The Perimeters of Love. That ensures right phone number of third eye is dialed and you Flow the Water of Infinite Soul, Source and Family, not fall under a false paradigm trap.

In other words, we came to this mess, to roll up our sleeves and get to work, report for duty. Some of that work is hidden in small places ,picking up those around us, some is more in community. But seek within and find the way.

They cannot overcome that positive frequency.

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posted on May, 13 2013 @ 12:55 AM
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After researching all the "requirements" in order for a US citizen to give up their citizenship, it becomes quite apparent that the US is only interested in stealing as much money form its citizens as possible and prevent them from renouncing their citizenship.

This is no different from what the former USSR and China did which they now no longer practice. With the exit tax imposed it is nothing more than buying your way out of the county, legal bribery. The IRS even states that though a person has renounced their citizenship they are still required to submit a tax form every year or face a penalty and fines. Stating that they can do this is simply extortion of monies from a non-citizen or expat, what arrogance.

A country that states that it is a free country does not do these things, however, a country that is either communist/socialist/fascist or a police state does. With your DHS, NSA, NO FLY lists and other restrictions, I truly feel sorry for those living in the US with no way out, your like rats trapped in a sinking ship.

As for the World Passport, it is only accepted on a case by case bases and not recognized but by only two or three countries. So it is basically worthless. Great idea but if everyone became 'World' citizens then the governments could not gain any revenue form the citizenry as they would all be world citizens and not national citizens. Under a world government the story is different.

It doesn't matter that the majority of the countries signed the UN accord granting all peoples the right to leave or enter any country and live there, they still require passports and visas in violation of the accord. Granted having the ability to deny access to those with ill intent is without hesitation worthwhile and very necessary. Yet denying said same 'world' citizen and those that pose no threat, is a travesty of their acceptance of the accord. The US is the #1 offender in this regard yet allows illegal immigration. I believe they have a term for this, oxymoron.

At the end of the day, the only ones leaving the US are those that can afford to do so. As for the rest, welcome to the Titanic.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 05:29 AM
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One could stay and fight tax tyranny here by filing but not paying. Jury nullification is an important part of this process.

Then there are the Quakers who support the spiritual aspect of withholding taxes for war.


The resolution was adopted by the 30-member Unami Friends Meeting. It specifies that the church will spiritually support "members who choose to refuse payment of federal taxes for war and mass destruction."


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posted on May, 13 2013 @ 06:30 AM
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Who can afford it you ask?

A person could go to Belize on about what they would spend for the down payment on a home loan.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 06:37 AM
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Sure is awesome to renounce funding the US world war machine, work off the books, and bank more safely, outside of the USA.

Who trusts US banks anymore, anyways?



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 08:39 AM
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I really hope people never do a thing like this without VERY carefully and without emotion, thinking through all the ramifications. It's likely a move that cannot be returned from or undone.

It's almost impossible to explain to those who know this country only for what it's become since the towers fell. This isn't the America I grew up in or spent half my working life supporting. It's morphed into something else, to be sure.

Having said that... We've had 2 exceptionally bad Presidents in a row, in their own ways. Two. Out of over 200 years. Oh, some will argue that all is lost, doom is at hand and life just sucks to be an American on sheer principle and name alone ..or that we've sucked as a nation for decades. Well... Whatever on that line of thinking. The nation I knew, loved and lived in up to the time we entered perpetual war was NOT that way. Not at all.

It was a time of blue dresses and sexual antics being *HUGE* scandals. Almost cute by modern standards, isn't it? Almost hard to believe....but it was just over ONE decade ago. Not a century ago. It isn't SO long ago that our robust system cannot correct itself, in due time. Not THAT much has happened, yet anyway.


.....So I really really hope people consider all that. In 10 years, America could..in very possible theory here, return from the edge of the abyss and come back to a nation we can all stand tall in, with pride. Those who ditched their citizenship and right to stand as a part of it ...can never come back. No matter how things might change. It's a decision never to be made in emotion, I believe. (worried sigh)



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 08:46 AM
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I'm thinking wealthy, well-connected people who simply do not want to pay their share.

It's no wonder they'd seek out a place like Belize.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 09:18 AM
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I wonder what one will do when being in Belize without a job, without money and, worst of all, being old and in need for a good medical coverage..

Facts about Belize



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 09:41 AM
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Well to be honest it would be better to get rid of your citizenship and then become an undocumented worker (LOL). You would get more out of America doing it that way. Eventually you would have to get a Green Card, but then you would be able to get business loans and other privileges.






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