reply to post by goldentorch
Thing is socialism was a working class labour movement for worker ownership. The left were the people, the majority working class, the right was the
establishment capitalist class. The middle class (management, small business owners, professionals) tended to be liberals, as in they supported a
social-safety net for the poor, but they were right of center politically. It was far more black and white pre-WWII, things had not been as muddied
by misinformation and propaganda yet. That didn't really kick in until the 50's, and the advent of the TV.
The so-called socialism of state governments was not the socialism of the working class labour movement. It was state systems appropriating the term
socialism in order to gain support of the working class, who were in those times the overwhelming majority, as manufacturing was still the major form
of industry. The middle class was relativity small until after WWII.
Political parties needed the working class vote to get into office, some politicians did that by calling their party socialist, or communist, or other
forms of those terms. The were not actually socialist, none of those so called socialist governments implemented a socialist economy, and socialism
is an economic system, not a political system.
Take the USSR for example, and the Bolsheviks. They were the Bolshevik Party until they saw an opportunity to hi-jack the revolution for their own
gains. They changed their name to the Communist Party and gained the support of the workers (who were not paying enough attention to what was really
going on, much like today), but once in power they did not implement a socialist/communist economy. They took control of the economy themselves,
state-capitalism not socialism.
The real left wing, who were not fooled by the Bolsheviks and new exactly what they were doing, forcibly opposed the Bolsheviks, refused to join them,
and rose up against them.
All people in positions of authority are charlatans, and will say anything if it will get them votes. We see this now with our own government,
imagine what it was like in the confusion of a Europe divided by war, and revolution, and the uprising of new political systems that threatened the
working class even more. It was a very volatile time, and if WWII had not happened revolution would have spread across Europe, from Spain, and the
outcome would have been a whole different world.
Left-wing uprisings against the Bolsheviks
Left-Wing, Anti-Bolshevik and Council Communism
The left-wing uprisings against the Bolsheviks were a series of rebellions and uprisings against the Bolsheviks in the aftermath of the 1917
Russian Revolution that were led or supported by left-wing groups such as Socialist Revolutionaries, Left Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks and
anarchists. Some were in support of the White Movement, while some tried to be an independent force. The uprisings started in 1918 and continued
during and after the Russian Civil War until around 1924. The Bolsheviks increasingly abandoned attempts to invite these groups to join the government
and instead suppressed them with force.
You don't have to believe anything I say, but I am completely convinced if you do some research, correctly, you will find what I say is correct. By
'correctly' I mean go back to the original writings of the time period we are discussing, and read it from the horses mouths so to speak, not the
opinions of what happened by other people on teh net. Almost 90% of what is on the net about socialism is wrong, nothing but peoples
misunderstandings, because they learn from other peoples opinions instead of looking at it for themselves. Why read a book about Marx written by
someone else, when you could read Marx yourself and make up your own mind?
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