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posted on May, 13 2013 @ 03:18 PM
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You admit to getting a ton of posts removed...and yet you are still here.

Please tell me you notice that most of the outspoken Liberals eventually get banned.

Just look at the top 50 members list, it has been nearly scrubbed of Liberals. Besides BH (who is just pure awesome) and the 2-3 liberal mods...the Liberals that have been on that list have been banned.

Deny it if you want, but this is a Right leaning website.




posted on May, 13 2013 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by tg13xr
reply to post by seabag
 


You admit to getting a ton of posts removed...and yet you are still here.

Please tell me you notice that most of the outspoken Liberals eventually get banned.

Just look at the top 50 members list, it has been nearly scrubbed of Liberals. Besides BH (who is just pure awesome) and the 2-3 liberal mods...the Liberals that have been on that list have been banned.

Deny it if you want, but this is a Right leaning website.



The only reason you were banned was because you were political trolling, and outright attacking members and calling them names........

Not only that you NOW have two open accounts youve made today that are active, and you are posting on both of them......

THAT kind of behavior is why you have gotten and will probably get banned again...........NOT because of your political viewpoints

same person as Distancerunner and TheAmerican..........people have been watching you do this all day...



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 03:26 PM
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Jesus. If i have to hear whinging about "liberal" this and "conservative" that anymore, I may just walk in front of a train.

You people are dumbing down humanity. I hope you are proud.

Stupid puppets. Just mimicking what the grown ups on your news shows say.

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

now back to your regularly scheduled belly ache......



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by tg13xr
One of the fastest ways to get yourself banned on ATS is being an outspoken liberal.

Example...if you make a claim that Conservatives tend to be racist, and you back that up with sources....banned.

However, if you make a thread claiming all liberals are racist based on your own personal opinion...it get's tons of stars and flags and is left up for all the Conservatives to jump into the thread and openly bash liberals and call them racist.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nevermind the fact that this is pure politcal baiting...the same rules don't apply for Conservatives as they do for Liberals here on ATS. It is no secret most of the active mods are Conservative.
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If you make a thread claiming anything about a large group of people as being truth, you are stupid and should be banned.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by tg13xr
reply to post by seabag
 


You admit to getting a ton of posts removed...and yet you are still here.

Please tell me you notice that most of the outspoken Liberals eventually get banned.

Just look at the top 50 members list, it has been nearly scrubbed of Liberals. Besides BH (who is just pure awesome) and the 2-3 liberal mods...the Liberals that have been on that list have been banned.

Deny it if you want, but this is a Right leaning website.



Did it ever occur to you that we "conservatives" post our thoughts in a non-confrontational manner and that we can get our viewpoint across without insults or inflammatory language?



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Did it ever occur to you that we "conservatives" post our thoughts in a non-confrontational manner and that we can get our viewpoint across without insults or inflammatory language?


Amen to that. I find it rare that I can have a spirited debate with someone on the "other" side without it resulting in ad hominem attacks against me or others by the opposing side. Debate facts, not opinions and personalities. Most "progressives" (see I'm stereotyping), tend to not support their assertions with factual data to back it up and end up resorting to "well, you are an idiot for believing that" type comments. If your argument is valid, you should be able to support it as well as discredit your foe's argument. Sadly many here can't seem to do either.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 04:35 PM
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I have reported threads that have blatantly been shown to lying and still the threads stay up. I don't lose sleep over them or refer to some vast left wing conspiracy here at ATS due to that. The thread you referred to is similar vein. It's more of the opinion, rather than factual kinds of threads. Kinda like complaining about Bill O'reilly or Rachel Madow for not being objective, that's not their point, it's editorial, not news.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by tg13xr
reply to post by seabag
 


You admit to getting a ton of posts removed...and yet you are still here.

Please tell me you notice that most of the outspoken Liberals eventually get banned.

Just look at the top 50 members list, it has been nearly scrubbed of Liberals. Besides BH (who is just pure awesome) and the 2-3 liberal mods...the Liberals that have been on that list have been banned.

Deny it if you want, but this is a Right leaning website.



Did it ever occur to you that we "conservatives" post our thoughts in a non-confrontational manner and that we can get our viewpoint across without insults or inflammatory language?


You mean like this?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If a republican was president the 2-faced progs would be burning effigies in the street and weeping for the 4 that died.

But a progressive president?

They call the deaths "collateral damage".


Yes..not confrontational or insulting at all.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by flobot

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by tg13xr
reply to post by seabag
 


You admit to getting a ton of posts removed...and yet you are still here.

Please tell me you notice that most of the outspoken Liberals eventually get banned.

Just look at the top 50 members list, it has been nearly scrubbed of Liberals. Besides BH (who is just pure awesome) and the 2-3 liberal mods...the Liberals that have been on that list have been banned.

Deny it if you want, but this is a Right leaning website.



Did it ever occur to you that we "conservatives" post our thoughts in a non-confrontational manner and that we can get our viewpoint across without insults or inflammatory language?


You mean like this?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If a republican was president the 2-faced progs would be burning effigies in the street and weeping for the 4 that died.

But a progressive president?

They call the deaths "collateral damage".


Yes..not confrontational or insulting at all.


Only 2-faced progs should feel insulted.

I didn't point out anyone specifically.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by PatriotGames2
ATS may be entertainment for some, but in actuality it is a community - designed for discussion and debate. It's also a microcosm of society as a whole so anything happening in society you will see here on ATS. Our society has descended into partisanship and debate has all but been destroyed in many ways. This is not all inclusive, many of us can rise above this and do, but a lot of the time discussion has simply become childish bickering, labeling, and name calling. This may not be discrimination to some of you, but it is abusive.

I've experienced it myself and witnessed it countless times. I often have to come to the defense of people I disagree with politically because I'm sickened by the behavior I see. Let me preface this by saying this is in no way excluded to one side, but just my personal experience.

I'm a conservative libertarian to the core but I deliberately stay away from and strongly dislike those who claim to be conservatives and speak for them - like Fox News, or conservative radio types like Rush or Hannity or Savage. The type of behavior I see illustrated by these people is not intellectualism, it is bullying fascist behavior. I hate the thought of being lumped in with these people. They are always blaming everything on the liberals or the Muslims and I take offense to these things, as a conservative, because I find it to be outrageous. The thought that if you're a liberal you cannot be a patriot is ludicrous. These people always have an excuse to cover their butts when they're called out for the fascist bully's that they are.

Point is, I see this on ATS quite often, and I see it in real life from people who surround themselves with this propaganda. They mimic this behavior because it has now become the social norm. And as I stated, it is perpetrated by both sides, but as a conservative I take strong issue with it. Problem is I seem to be in the minority. Someone as strongly conservative as I am has been labeled and abused, called a liberal or socialist, simply for disagreeing with the "mainstream" views pushed forth by these charlatans who attempt to speak for us all. I agree with the OPs sentiments and I think some of you are confused as to what real debate and discussion is. People shouldn't have to develop thick skin to name calling or abuse. If you can handle someone disagreeing with you you're good in my book.

I think ATS should be conscious of this behavior and call it our or simply ignore it when encountering it. It has no place in our society and it has no place here on ATS. Plainly put, it is destructive. And both sides are doing it, that's the point. It is dividing us to the point we no longer trust someone simply because of minor differences like political ideology or religious practice, when we truly have more in common then we do differences.

S+F


Probably a bit more to the mixed economy than you coming from the European side of politics but what a wonderful addition to the debate.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Slugworth
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The idea of there being a God is the ideology that does not allow you to question, so any secular decision made with the backing of religious ideology then puts itself beyond question

This is only true if you believe in the theology. You are free to reject the theology, and even oppose it actively if you wish. If you think it is creeping into school curriculum you can go to the school board, speak against it, rally opposition to it, and probably shoot it down legally if necessary. If you were not allowed to do this then it would be fair to say that the belief was being imposed on you.


if you are someone denied the education or methods to avoid pregnancy that can be fairly catastrophic. The teaching of creationism is catastrophic for biology, anthropology and all of the attendant sciences. The young earth side of creationism is catastrophic for geography and geology, even conservation,as trends can be important.

The role of a school in teaching sex to children is debatable. You are assuming that your position is the correct one when obviously there are many who disagree. I'm not saying that you are wrong, and in fact I agree that abstinence education is a bad idea, but abstinence education is not inherently religious in nature If a community wants it as policy and cannot have it because it bothers you isn't that the very definition of imposing your belief?

Regarding creationism and the young earth stuff: Which public school is currently teaching this as part of a science curriculum in the US? Some schools do teach a critical view of evolution. I think every school should do this. Accepting a scientific theory as a fact transforms it from science to dogma. Students should be taught to be critical of every theory. It is the essence of what science is.


The idea of religious tests for public office is catastrophic for civic responsibilities and the means to express them as well as a gross violation of human rights

If any public office has a religious test it would be a violation of Article 6 of the constitution. Where is this happening?

I see no evidence of imposition of belief in these examples .


I know i should now create a superior response to your reply of every one is an individual so sort it out, even allowing for the fact that we are on a conspiracy site, how is that working out for you in real life? Your obtuse answers do not disguise the abstract I am presenting to you. Sophistry was once described to me as style masquerading as fact. Don't think so.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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lets just have peace and not care what other people think! sounds like a plan



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 05:45 PM
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There are some States that maintain religious adherence to the right to hold public office. Look it up, they're tearing you apart America.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by tg13xr
Deny it if you want, but this is a Right leaning website.


Well ain't most people right leaning in the US, and the US makes up the majority of membership?

People have been conditioned to believe the right is freedom, and the left is totalitarianism in it's extreme, or just free stuff from governments.

I find it sad that ATS has so many members who accept what the state has told them, and they claim to be free and educated. They say they're free, as they defend the authoritarian economic system we have.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 06:30 PM
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I have to say this thread is interesting, as usual base on one personal opinion, perhaps because until this day, in all the years I have been a member of ATS I found out that my opinions and believes when it comes to political views has never been restricted in any way by the ATS administration.

Yes I have to admit that when it comes to members I have my fair share of heated debates and I have seen how political, religious or any topic that people feel passioned about can take some nasty turns.

But mostly from members that do not agree with each other (as usual).

But when it comes to me personally I never been stopped from posting what I feel the way I see it and my opinion on the subject at hand.


I guess when it comes to dealing with members I have learned that you have to do what you have to do and do not let your temper take over.
and never never feed the trolls.
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posted on May, 13 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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the corollary is of course that there are forces in our society which seek to limit the range of debate to conceal the facts which may lie outside of the entire discussion as permitted.

so, it can be either way--how you suggested, in the middle somewhere, or outside the acccepted parameters.



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 08:40 PM
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Let's be fair here now, ATS is not politically Discriminating anyone, Regulated Political debate exists here just like it does on any internet forum such as this. I myself personally come here for entertainment, Conspiracy theory, Space exploration and Science discussion, but I without a doubt sometimes get sucked into Political debate as well.

Fact is the entire fixed political circus side show has burned me out so much over the years that it's the last choice to insert myself into when here though. If you don't want to be offended, or view others being offended, then it's better to stay away from it. It's just the way that it is, and nothing is gonna change. Just saying my friend.

People come, and people go here at ATS. If you can't handle the heat, than maybe it's best to choose another website where posters are silenced, cause ATS is certainly not doing anything of the sort. As long as one can learn to control their emotions while respecting other posters opinions, the sky is the limit here. ~$heopleNation



posted on May, 13 2013 @ 10:42 PM
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Sophistry was once described to me as style masquerading as fact. Don't think so.


I can't think of anything more sophist than incorrectly slapping the word "sophistry" on something you disagree with.

eta: I did look up the state office religious tests. What I found was that there are a few that still have the law on the books, but the law is nullified by supreme court rulings and could never be enforced. So in a certain hypothetical sense you are correct, and in practical application you are wrong. Sophistry!
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posted on May, 13 2013 @ 10:48 PM
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posted on May, 13 2013 @ 11:54 PM
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I'd like to see more censorship in fact.

I see more and more (and I'm a fairly new member) attacks on people's character, intelligence, and reason. I would like to see any ad hominum attack either idividual or group attacked removed at once. I think that would encourage more reasoned and thoughtful examples.

I do realise there are not enough staff to carry out such censorship but it would improve the content dramatically.

I'd also like to see posts without sources or references for verification of stated facts removed.

I can dream can't I. Maybe someone will come up with an 'ad hominum' busting algorthym. Then only the very clever could attack another person or group of people.





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