reply to post by EnochWasRight
You know the saying "sometimes things just have a way of working themselves out" ?
It's not proof of God's existence or omnipotence or general erm, infallibleness.
Possibly proof that there are forces of flow and resistance unique to the human condition that we don't understand, yes.
Now If I understand this exercise....
1.I am to ask god for a test -
Would this be a specific test or just a hey, surprise me, test
It's not very clear and also would be very convenient - anything that doesn't go right in the next 30 days I could just go "hey , this is the test
2.Novelty Events.Things that would not normally happen will happen -
Like a football team winning that always loses or like waking up to find your whole bedroom arranged upside down ?
Again very convenient. Something of the football team nature would surely occur in 30 days anyway would it not ?
3. Do not doubt. Keep your own words few and remain grounded in the knowledge that God will pull you through.
You are asking an atheist (ie somebody who has already pondered this at length) to do this, really ??
4.Leave room for God to operate. Trying to solve the problem yourself will not end well. Leave room for God.
So if the test turned out to be say incurable fatal disease how would this work ? Or if my test was just not paying an electricity bill for instance,
would a force of some kind prevent me from having my power cut off ?
If it didnt work it could be I had doubt ?
5.Pray each moment that God fights your battle. Surrender to the process and allow God to show you the end as better than the beginning.
Okay now literally each moment for 30 days is a bit of a chore. In fact it would probably just cement the fact that my electricity bill would go
unpaid what with all the praying I was doing. Now let's just say there was a good outcome for my fatal disease / electricity bill conundrum. How do I
know that was god's doing ? We have free will but is there no such thing as chance / luck or just old fashioned irony ?
6. When the test is over, evaluate your own defect that caused the problem. Learn and grow from the experience.
- Whoa there ! We missed a few lessons somewhere. What an insulting way to phrase that. My own defect ?? Defect ?? That's your ego there deciding
that those who do not share your view are , ahem, defective in some way.
I learn and grow from all my experiences thank-you very much and do not need to consider myself to have a defect to do that. I feel sorry for you if
God is good and he can move you from doubt to faith?
Ok - God is good is a statement. Made by you. A person. It does not make it so.
Doubt is not a bad word. Many wonderful human advances could not have occurred without it infact.
Some of us are happy to be doubters. Without doubt I would blindly believe and abide by whatever another human just told me (they have free will you
know and are also capable of deceit , greed and agendas).
To explain myself a little I consider myself an atheist in the sense that I don't relate to organised religion at all. Particularly stone aged
archaic ones. I have a great interest in religious texts and teachings and history however.
I am thinking that we possibly are not meant to know all the answers at this time / state / dimension / condition, whatever you want to call this
amazing, incredible ride we are lucky enough to be on.
I'm trying very hard right now to restore my faith in people. The Us. The We. The many that are the same but different. There was a beautiful piece
by Paton Oswalt recently about how most people are kind and we outnumber those enveloped by psychological darkness or for want of a better word ,
Imagine what we could accomplish pouring our faith into ourselves !
Ourselves as the omnipotent One.
I'm sorry if some of the above comes across a little blunt but I found your test to be fallible like so much of religion is and at points insulting.
Also if your point was to try and save some of us damned , maybe try and check your ego and high horse at the door and really try to help your fellow
man. It seems to me like you were fishing for some atheist response here more than converting , ahem , sorry - saving our souls.