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Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
The alleged dirt-douchebag duo went home after the attacks...
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
reply to post by boncho
An ideology isn't terrorism.
Terrorism isn't an ideology.
It's a tactic. A set within a set of strategies, of war. Nothing more. Typically performed out of desperation, I mean DESPERATION. Wars being fought, that hurt people, anywhere, I would hope they at least have a goal. If you can find an example of a war fought without goals, I want to hear it, out of curiously alone.edit on 11-5-2013 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
reply to post by boncho
Are you saying that those IRA combatants, their goal wasn't to enact political change, but rather just to scare the bejeezus out of everyone, nothing more?
Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion.
Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
well we have to disagree for to me it is and not because the Gov says it is or the MSM says it is, it is an act of terror www.fbi.gov... from the link
Hate crimes directed at the U.S. government or the American population may be investigated as acts of domestic terrorism. Incidents involving hate groups are also investigated as domestic terrorism (the FBI’s Civil Rights Program cannot investigate groups, only individuals).
Originally posted by boncho
Coercion.
As in a goal to enact political change and we do these things, (terrorist acts) to get them to meet the demands of our political standards.
Muslims (radicals) make demands all the time, they declare jihad all the time. So did the IRA (not so much on the jihad thing but you get my point)
Originally posted by boncho
There is evidence they are Muslim, they were radicalized (whether it be a twisted Imam, or an FBI provocateur that radicalized them I don't care, so save your argument) the bottom line, is that they were radicalized Muslims and their actions were supporting an ideology that is the definition of terrorism.
So yea... Not really seeing your point here.
[definition]ter·ror·ism (Noun) The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.[/definition]
the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives
activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state, that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S
The 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings has told interrogators that the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan motivated him and his brother to carry out the attack, according to U.S. officials familiar with the interviews.
according to the Washington Post:
The 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings has told interrogators that the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan motivated him and his brother to carry out the attack, according to U.S. officials familiar with the interviews.
link
so that gives them political motivation and therefore even under Federal Regulations we could say it was terrorism.
Originally posted by HauntWok
Some people just want to watch the world burn. Is it terrorism? Yes, yes it is. Do you know why it's terrorism? Because it caused terror. It caused fear. There didn't need to be any political motivation behind it. Because the only motivation was to cause fear, panic, mayhem, and terror.
Originally posted by boncho
Yes, a tactic to support an ideology.
You really going to argue that Muslim extremist bombings are not terrorism nor are the IRA bombings that went on for decades. Essentially the exact same thing. It's an ideology, that specifically has been pushed with one solution as the only solution.
You don't see Muslim extremist running protests like woman's lib groups. (Ironic comparison) and after 9/11, IRA actually hung up it's hat saying, "Jeez, no we see what terrorists look like we don't wanna be those guys anymore mommy."
So yeah... Your argument is weak sauce.