reply to post by lucifer6
I'm not sure what to say as you have posted some incorrect information:
ALL LODGES ARE THE FOOT SOLDIERS OF THE LODGES WHOSE INITIATES HAVE UNDERGONE THE SCOTTISH AND YORK RITES OF INITIATION.
1) No Lodges is superior in nature over another just because a Lodge may have members who have gone into appendant bodies. That's not how it works.
2) The York Rite and Scottish Rite are not superior to the Lodges. The 3rd degree, the Master Mason, is the highest degree in Freemasonry. While you
must be a Master Mason to join these bodies expand upon the lessons and stories of the Master Mason, but are in a sense subordinate to Craft Masonry,
the Blue Lodge.
3) To go along with #2, one's titles and honors attained in the appendant bodies means very little in other bodies nor do said titles and honors give
one additional rank or preferment in the Lodge.
4) Is there some compartmentalization? Sure, but not in the manner in which you speak, but I will speak of this below
The lower downs have no idea what the upper ups have planned they just know to collect money, keep THEIR ORDER, and gloat to the bosses how
good everything is going and...
And how do you know this? By your very logic, you yourself wouldn't know either. Plus, yes we do know where our collected monies goes and for what
purposes. Also the decisions of the "upper" level must be approved by the members. All bodies of Freemasonry are governed by Rules, Regulations,
Constitutions, and Laws that must be approved by the voting membership of that body. There are no "superiori incogniti" who make decisions that
effect "lower levels" without justification and within the limits of their office.
Plus, Freemasonry is far too decentralized for their to be some "inner core" that plays the role of puppet master.
In 1776 Amshel Rothschild commissioned the marriage between the Illuminati and the free masons, in that meetin it was said that the conspiracy
being woven is so well thought out that it will be impossible for the British as well as the french Monarchy and the Church to escape.
Actually he didn't and this is just a wild speculation. There exists nothing of substance to prove it. Plus, the actual date when Freemasonry was said
to have been infiltrated was in 1782 during the Congress of Wilhelmsbad. Conspiracy theorists state that this meeting was held on Rothschild property
and that the Illuminati was in attendance. Facts show though that the meeting was held on the property of William IX, not the Rothschild. The Bavarian
Order was in attendance, but their ideals were not adopted, but the landmark of this meeting was the dissolution of the Rite of Strict Observance, the
rejection of claims of Templar-Masonic lineage, and the rise of the Rectified Scottish Rite.
...1786 you have the masonic slaughter of the french monarchy...
Many French aristocrats were Freemasons.
Oppression from the church stopped.
Actually it didn't. It just stopped in some areas where freedom and liberty were prominent.
In replace of church rule Masonic installed republics start popping up on the map like popcorn.
God forbid we let the People rule and have a voice. I would say that the rise of Republicanism is due to the Era of Enlightenment and Reason and not
necessarily solely caused by Freemasonry. Freemasonry does espouse liberty and freedom, and to warn against tyranny, fanaticism, and ignorance.
Since then there have not been once span of 20 years where a us president, british prime minister or french president or prime minister was not
In regards to the US Presidency, only 14 Presidents were Masons (LBJ only went through the 1st degree and did not progress). Plus, who cares? Are
Masons not allowed to enter into public office? Are we not citizens entitled to the same privileges? There is nothing in Freemasonry that would
prevent us from performing our duties with honor and integrity.
And almost every single pope, against papal law, have had engaging relationships with Free Masons.
Can we have some quotes? Plus, you are incorrect as Popes have continued to denounce Freemasonry since 1792 so you are way off base.
reply to post by Yakwise
Except the bad apples are a minute, tiny fraction.
edit on 23-5-2013 by KSigMason because: (no reason given)