IRS: We Targeted Conservative, Tea Party Groups With Extra Scrutiny — 'Mistakes Were Made'

The U.S. Treasury Inspector General has released a revealing report ....

Treasury IG Releases Report on IRS Targeting of Tea Party, Conservative Groups

The Inspector General of the U.S. Treasury has released its 54-page report on the targeting of Tea Party and conservative groups by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

reply to post by beezzer

Obama is a community organizer with no experience

Tell me, who the [snip] has presidential experience before they get into office? Seriously! Where do you get POTUS experience? Huh?

a divider who polarizes

As opposed to Bush? A uniter? How polarizing was Bush? (I know, can't bring up Bush, cause the years of 2000 - 2008 never happened)

a power-hungry politician who's casual disregard for the laws and Constitution are writ large.

Listen, in order to be president, you have got to be power hungry. If you aren't, you will NEVER be president. We don't elect the meek to the position, and isn't that directly in opposition to your first argument against Obama? He's power hungry, but has no experience at the most power hungry position in the world?

99% of politicians are the same.

Including Ron Paul

It's okay to blame Bush, but we can't blame Obama because he's just a victim.
It's okay to blame Congress, but we can't blame Obama because he's just a victim.

Believe me, Obama get's plenty of blame. some of it is even warranted. The problem is, that his opponents blame him for EVERYTHING including their own erectile disfunction.

The buck stops with leadership. Way back in O-school, we were taught that our people got the fame, we got the blame.

Yes, Obama does hold responsibility for some things. I linked a list of campaign promises that Obama has broken. But you seem to want to blame Obama for EVERY SINGLE THING GOING WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE!

Obama is a piss-poor leader.

That's your opinion, and your entitled to it.

He has no moral compass. His goal is to better himself at the sacrifice of all others. His casual disregard to toss any and everyone under the bus to keep himself clean is apparent to anyone that can see.

Welcome to US politics. You mad bro?

reply to post by HauntWok


But there's the dichotomy!

You justify Obama's actions but condemn anyone elses!

The only mistake made was they were caught doing it. Nothing will change they will do it again in the future.

reply to post by beezzer

But there's the dichotomy!

There's not an equal dichotomy going on in this country. .Your side is ignoring it's part in this whole process. It ignores that it has done everything it can to ensure that this particular president is deemed a failure at everything his administration has done.

You can't work against this country and it's leadership overtly and then expect that this leadership will succeed. The partisan politics you have spewed has been a detractor and bane to moving this country forward. Your side has worked tirelessly against this president and this country so that you can orchestrate false animosity and hate where none is due.

You justify Obama's actions but condemn anyone elses!

I haven't justified crap Obama has done personally. His failures are his own. I have even pointed out his failures in this thread. He has made some promises that he has failed to keep. He has even worked against some of those same promises.

None of you have proven that Obama orchestrated this IRS targeting himself.But you are willing to blame him for it none the less. Just like you blame him for your cat pooing in your shoe. You blame him personally like he himself came to your house and pooed in your shoe when it really was your cat.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

IRS Tea Party Scandal: White House Did Not Drive Investigation, Inspector General Says

The IRS is being used as a weapon.

Ever since the days of Al Capone, the government has been using the IRS as their ultimate secret weapon to knock down any target which proved too slippery, clever, and smart, for the police to handle. They just pull out their big gun, the I.R.S., aim it at the target, and the victim falls. It's a high precision weapon, like a laser gun. Never misses it's mark.

Is it any surprise, that the government is now using this high powered weapon to target political opponents? This was inevitable, since all tools manufactured find their field of application expanding as time passes. People get more and more creative, and figure out new ways to use the tool.

This is such an effective weapon, that they could easily re-classify the IRS as an official branch of the military.

They both operate in the same international theater of operations. The IRS tackles offshore accounts in Swiss banks, and Cayman Islands, etc..proving that it's not just a domestic agency. So, given it's international scope, and effective weponization, as used by the government, this puts it in the same class of operations as the armed forces today.

People can no longer think of the IRS as their friendly tax collector, just processing tax returns like a bookkeeper, and disbursing refunds to the public. It has become institutionalized as a tool for law enforcement, to get at suspected law breakers, and now a tool of incumbents to get at political opponents.

It's now a weapon wielded widely afield, at any convenient target, which the government deems a threat to it's "National Security".

Originally posted by HauntWok
Why do you think it's silly, there's a base group of about 8 or 9 people here on ATS who's sole purpose seems to be to take absolutely anything that ever happens and spin it so that this president looks bad.

Because Haunt, you have based this off a small percentage of posters; you own admission. If 9 people can dictate your points, I cannot help you.

It's just a matter of time before y'all start blaming Obama for your constipation.

And I'm being silly.

Yes you are and you are also allowing them (who ever they are) to dictate your discussion. You have yet to actually address the OP; instead you have been focused on this childish game of he said, he said; so it is okay. That is why it is silly.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


It is wrong either way.

Bush is gone though, the Tyrant 0bama is running things.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by beezzer

 

Impeachment is fruitless. Time would be better spent trying to identify a qualified candidate for the next election cycle. It has been such a long time since we have had one. Nothing but shills and crooks......

That is very true, however, one reason why all we get are shills and crooks is that they think they can get away with anything and everything. If we don't punish corrupt politicians all we will get will be crooks.

reply to post by NavyDoc


While fruitless on several aspects, it is something that needs to be pressed for, as it is the correct thing to do.
0bama is the biggest crook and liar to ever sit as a President.

So while the left was screaming about Romney and his " binders of women" Obama had " binders of tax returns" at his disposal. Yeah...no hypocrisy there..

I find it telling that even with the complicit media turning on him he will still have an army of ostriches defending his illegal actions while willingly keeping their heads in the sand.

Seems eerily similar to Nixon and he was impeached.

Originally posted by HauntWok

Obama: IRS Targeting Conservatives 'Outrageous'

"If, in fact, IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, that is outrageous," the president said.

"There is no place for it and they have to be held fully accountable."

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com www.newsmax.com...


I know many of you blame Obama personally for every single bad thing that ever happens in your life including stubbing your toes, and your rush hour commute in the morning. But this came in today.

The IRS is an independent agency, remember that, it's not up to Obama who they target for harsher audits and investigations. It's still wrong true, but maybe this time, this one time, it's not Obama's fault.

Your stubbed toe however, yea, all Obama's fault.

edit on 13-5-2013 by HauntWok because: (no reason given)

I find your name ironic.

The IRS is part of the executive branch. The president is head of the executive branch and directs the IRS just as he is the chief of every other portion of the executive branch. It is not an independent agency and they can and do get their marching orders from the chief executive. Nixon did the same thing.

Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

the president is the head of the Treasury Department in terms of accountability.

Oh so, so wrong.

CONGRESS is in charge of the treasury department. The president only picks the secretary of the treasury, but congress is the one the treasury answers to according to article I section 8 of the United States Constitution.

This is why congress holds hearings and brings in the fed chair and the treasury secretary from time to time.

Just because he picks the secretary, means he's in charge of them about as much as when he picks a supreme court justice. (read: not at all)

It's congress who holds the purse strings.

They are the ones who have the power to lay and collect taxes (according to the Constitution) they are the ones that write the tax code (Not Obama) they are the ones that are really in charge of the treasury.

Hit your thumb with a hammer? Must be Obama's fault huh?

The above is incorrect. The department of treasury and hence the IRS is part of the executive branch with the president as the chief executive.

Please review the three branches of government.

The legislative branch controls spending through legislation.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by jimmyx

 

I'm retired. I no longer have a employer.

There is a saying;

"Proper planning prevents piss poor performance."

But I guess now I am being penalized for proper planning when others did none.

And remember, being retired does not always mean your rich.

edit on 13-5-2013 by TDawgRex because: spelling

It because you are the evil wealthy for selfishly saving for your retirement and so you don't deserve it so it must be take for you so the left can buy votes with your money.

reply to post by macman


Impeachment may never happen, because (as yet) they don't have an inside man with a smoking gun. Nixon was impeached because they had John Dean testifying that a coverup was in play and was being directed by Nixon, part of which included the direction of the IRS to target specific individuals. There is currently no person identified as acting in a manner similar to John Dean. No smoking gun...no impeachment.

That's not to say things may not change in the days ahead.....

Bush may have done some of these same things (directing the IRS...) However, if he did, it was never brought to light. No one sounded the alarm.

But then again, Bush didn't have the dead voting for him in Chicago and Florida. He didn't have ACORN. He didn't have SEIU. He didn't have George Soros. He didn't have Rev. Jesse Wright. He didn't seal all his records. He didn't have Bill Ayers. He didn't have Obama phones.

And the band played on.....

Two things:

IRS exec got $42K in bonuses in three years
washingtonexaminer.com...

Lois Lerner, the senior executive in charge of the IRS tax exemption department and the federal employee at the center of the exploding scandal over the IRS targeting of conservative, evangelical and pro-Israel non-profits, was given $42,531 in bonuses between 2009 and 2011.

Watch to see where she goes from here.

Also, breaking news:

Obama says treasury secretary requested and received resignation of acting IRS commissioner.
www.breitbart.com...

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Also, breaking news:

Obama says treasury secretary requested and received resignation of acting IRS commissioner.
www.breitbart.com...

Yep, just keep the scapegoats coming. I expected Obama to at least come to the podium and say he is embarrassed that such an outrageous transgression took place on his watch, but no such luck. Just more of the blame game. C'mon Mr. President! The spiel is getting tiring.

It's as if every time this administration screws up, there is a dupe waiting in the wings on whom they have no qualms about placing the blame. I wonder why they take the abuse?....

Goodbye Steven Miller: we hardly knew thee. No really. It is unclear as of this writing what Steve's severance package, and how big his (tax-free of course) lifetime public pension will be. In a possibly related matter, it is also unclear in just which office Goldman's latest, in-house tax consultant hire will reside.

oh.

Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by beezzer

 

Obama is a community organizer with no experience

Tell me, who the [snip] has presidential experience before they get into office? Seriously! Where do you get POTUS experience? Huh?

a divider who polarizes

As opposed to Bush? A uniter? How polarizing was Bush? (I know, can't bring up Bush, cause the years of 2000 - 2008 never happened)

a power-hungry politician who's casual disregard for the laws and Constitution are writ large.

Listen, in order to be president, you have got to be power hungry. If you aren't, you will NEVER be president. We don't elect the meek to the position, and isn't that directly in opposition to your first argument against Obama? He's power hungry, but has no experience at the most power hungry position in the world?

99% of politicians are the same.

Including Ron Paul

It's okay to blame Bush, but we can't blame Obama because he's just a victim.
It's okay to blame Congress, but we can't blame Obama because he's just a victim.

Believe me, Obama get's plenty of blame. some of it is even warranted. The problem is, that his opponents blame him for EVERYTHING including their own erectile disfunction.

The buck stops with leadership. Way back in O-school, we were taught that our people got the fame, we got the blame.

Yes, Obama does hold responsibility for some things. I linked a list of campaign promises that Obama has broken. But you seem to want to blame Obama for EVERY SINGLE THING GOING WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE!

Obama is a piss-poor leader.

That's your opinion, and your entitled to it.

He has no moral compass. His goal is to better himself at the sacrifice of all others. His casual disregard to toss any and everyone under the bus to keep himself clean is apparent to anyone that can see.

Welcome to US politics. You mad bro?

I've never read anybody on this site saying 2000-2008 under Bush is or should be forgotten. Yes, his leftovers aren't great, but nobody here says what you claim they think.

Bush has nothing to do with Obama when it comes to lying to America. The government has the ability to spy on 99% of America efficiently if they wanted to, yet the administartion can't figure out the head of the IRS was corrupt.

And also, "You mad bro?" was internet hip like 4 years ago.

Two IRS employees just testified that this activity was taking place in 2011. Obama never should have been reelected. What a corrupt SOB.

The old ways of Parody and Satire, like the court Jester mocking unbeknownst to the king.

Ahahahaa...*cough*.haahaaah