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Hispanic worker sues for injury; Couldn't read warning sign in English...

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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by borracho
To those that say that if I want to speek Spanish I should go to Mexico. Here in the land of the free, I am free to speak what ever language I choose. Furthermore, there is a state that is officially bilingual, Spanish being the second official language. So you can forget about making English the official language of the United States.


Wait... you're free to speak whatever language you choose, but others aren't free to only place signage in whatever language they choose if you do not read it fluently? Freedom is a circle, my friend... just as capitalism crumbled the day imbeciles decided that we needed socialist safety mets for some individuals and for some corporations, freedom is a crock of crap when it doesn't apply to everyone, including those who disagree with you.




posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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Let me preface this by saying that my family is Hispanic.
And this is exactly my argument.

If you come to this country from anywhere else to live and work here. You need to learn to speak English.
Your life or someone else's life could depend on it.

Case in point here we have someone, because of sheer laziness, that didn't feel like learning English.
And now they got injured. Even better because they didn't want to learn the language they get hurt.

Serves her right. I hope the judge looks at her and tells her to learn the frickin language and the get hell out of the courtroom.


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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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To those that say that if I want to speek Spanish I should go to Mexico. Here in the land of the free, I am free to speak what ever language I choose. Furthermore, there is a state that is officially bilingual, Spanish being the second official language. So you can forget about making English the official language of the United States.


You're free to speak any language you want....BUT you'd BETTER know ENGLISH.

If you can't speak English, you certainly won't get hired in my company (I do the hiring). There are plenty more like me - trust me!!



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:24 PM
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Hmm...

I wonder how these "victims" drive home, since they can't read the road signs.

Recently here in Texas, there has been a Target ad playing on TV. Half of it is on Spanish. Since I can't understand what the half of the ad is saying, I no longer shop at target.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:24 PM
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Language Freedom and Restriction: A Historical Approach to the Official Language Controversy




Despite the language diversity that existed in 1787, the Framers took no steps to protect or promote English in the U.S. Constitution. Because discussions were held in secret and we must rely on James Madison's informal notes, it is unclear whether language issues came up during the Federal Convention in Philadelphia (Farrand, 1913). But evidence strongly suggests that our early leaders regarded language laws of any kind as a threat to civil liberties. A few years previously, the Continental Congress had spurned a proposal by John Adams to establish an "American Academy for refining, improving, and ascertaining the English Language" (Adams, 1780). According to Shirley Brice Heath (1976), the consensus was that a democratic government had no business telling the people how to talk, that language choices should be left to the individual. And so, the founders of this country made, in Heath's words, "a deliberate choice of a policy not to have a policy" on language (emphasis in original). That is, they chose to deal with language issues on an ad hoc basis. Often this meant accommodating non-English-speakers by publishing govern-ment documents in their languages, especially German and French (Kloss, 1977). It was not until 1906 that English-speaking ability became a requirement for naturalization as a U.S. citizen (Ueda, 198 0)


If you are going to bring the constitution into the argument...then maybe some research into it would help. Does your 1st amendment not protect against English only laws.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by FidelityMusic




Where do you live? Are you that closed into your suburban area in middle America. Come to the city, especially New York. My neighborhood is a predominately Hispanic community. Right up from us is a predominately Asian community. To our side is a predominately Arabic/Muslim community. More than half of the people here and our neighboring neighborhoods don't speak good English, nor should they have to. There is no official language of the United States for the purpose that this nation is so diverse.


i live in Fl Ranked 4th in population right under NY per this wiki.
List of U.S. states and territories by population
and we have people here that "don't speak good english" to. but they should be able to communicate, in the same language as the majority.
also Fl has a higher hispanic population than NY. here, a screen shot from the wiki. i edited to show just FL And NY
Hispanic and Latino Americans




You're over here putting an excuse for the employers mistake. You're not fine with them not knowing the Enlgish language in this situation, but you're probably without a worry when you hire someone to fix something in your house, your car, or mow your lawn, and it's likely an employer with Hispanic workers getting paid under minimum wage so that could slightly cut the cost for you and the employer.


okay i can see that you didn't read my post very well, here is a sentence that i posted.

my words.


i use to run a repair shop had many hispanics come in and try and pull the no habla b.s on me. but just as soon as i started talking money, they could speak english just fine.


what part of repair shop did you not understand. in my shop we had to be a electricians, plumbers, mechanics, carpenters, painters, mechanists,my father taught how to do my own lawn and gardening. there are many other professions, that we had to be able to do. so i have no need to to hire any one. also my father was a farmer, so i learned at a early age how to be a jack of all trades and find out the info needed in order to do them.

i'm glad that i never had a person of hispanic descent that could not speak english come into m shop looking for a job. i wouldn't have hired them/ i would never hire any one i could not communicate, to much danger in my line of work. plus i didn't want to face a discrimination charge. and every one of my employees started out at $10.00 and went as high as $19.00. which for the area i'm in is good pay. cost of living is not as high as others.
and just so you know i had one cuban, and one mexican, both damn fine electric motor men and as a young marine i had many mexican friends. all of them or their family's immigrated to the US. and spoke better english than i do. and we spoke of this kind of thing many times and they all said we did it, so should every body else.




Get out of your box and get over the fact that this Hispanic population in America will continue to grow, and unless the Government wants to provide these people with tools to learn the language of choice companies are just going to have to deal with it and simply provide warning signs in multiple languages, it's simple.


i know this, and know that it is due to no small fact that some 11million illegals have come cross our boarders.
if that had not occurred their population would not be growing at the rate it is. and the government does provide them with all kinds of tools and aid. yet they still won't learn to speak english.






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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Language Freedom and Restriction: A Historical Approach to the Official Language Controversy




Despite the language diversity that existed in 1787, the Framers took no steps to protect or promote English in the U.S. Constitution. Because discussions were held in secret and we must rely on James Madison's informal notes, it is unclear whether language issues came up during the Federal Convention in Philadelphia (Farrand, 1913). But evidence strongly suggests that our early leaders regarded language laws of any kind as a threat to civil liberties. A few years previously, the Continental Congress had spurned a proposal by John Adams to establish an "American Academy for refining, improving, and ascertaining the English Language" (Adams, 1780). According to Shirley Brice Heath (1976), the consensus was that a democratic government had no business telling the people how to talk, that language choices should be left to the individual. And so, the founders of this country made, in Heath's words, "a deliberate choice of a policy not to have a policy" on language (emphasis in original). That is, they chose to deal with language issues on an ad hoc basis. Often this meant accommodating non-English-speakers by publishing govern-ment documents in their languages, especially German and French (Kloss, 1977). It was not until 1906 that English-speaking ability became a requirement for naturalization as a U.S. citizen (Ueda, 198 0)


If you are going to bring the constitution into the argument...then maybe some research into it would help. Does your 1st amendment not protect against English only laws.


The above is very misleading. There was no "language diversity" amongst the Framers. All 55 deligates were natural English speakers. Furthermore, there was not a single federal bill published in any language other than English until after the Founding Fathers had retired from Congress. www.snopes.com...

The House debated translating federal statutes into German again on 16 February 1795, but the final result was the approval of a bill to publish existing and future federal statutes in English only. This bill was approved by the Senate as well and signed into law by President George Washington a month later. The legend lives on, though, presented a vivid lesson that the foundations of our world aren't always as solid as we think.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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Glad you passed that on. I'm done there.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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Where in Florida do you live? The entire state doesn't represent the Hispanic population, the same goes for New York state. The majority of Hispanics in New York live within the five boroughs, leave the boroughs, for say upstate New York, and those numbers aren't translated AT ALL. In Florida it's Miami, some parts of Orlando, and Tampa. Unless you're giving specifics here, those numbers don't matter and they possibly don't represent your place of residence.

As for reading your post, you didn't get the point of my response. It wasn't about what job or service in specific, I was generally speaking and giving examples.

Your decision to not hire someone that doesn't speak very good English differs from a business owner in my Brooklyn neighborhood, or even Orange County, Orlando where I lived for 2 years. It should give you another picture of how you view the United States. My current area of residence are Spanish speaking, where I lived in Orlando was majority Hispanic as well with a mix between Bilingual and Spanish speaking. Maybe in your area where it would be ideal to hire someone that is Bilingual or English speaking only, it wouldn't be ideal or make any sense to hire anyone other than a Spanish or Bilingual speaker in my neighborhood. The neighborhood above ours speak Mandarin and Cantonese with very little English speaking. They don't need to speak English, and they shouldn't be obligated to, simple.
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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 06:18 PM
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In response to that I would say then don't expect service and accommodation from people who don't speak Spanish.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by DistantRumor
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If an organization is going to hire people that don't speak English, then it is their responsibility that they are still safe in the work place.

No one forced them to hire these people who don't speak English, it was their choice. And since it was their choice, it is their duty to ensure their safety and that includes providing warning signs in the language of the people they decide to hire.


Yep - very true. If you don't want to have translated signs, then don't hire Spanish-speaking only people. Don't tell me the company wasn't aware when they interviewed her that she only spoke Spanish. It's up to the employer to do what they can to keep their employees safe. That includes ALL employees, not just the ones who speak English.


Well the college may not have known a department head who was bi ligual may have hired them. To them it wouldn't be a big deal. I've seen it in other places where when that supervisor leaves then there becomes issues.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 06:24 PM
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The above is very misleading. There was no "language diversity" amongst the Framers. All 55 deligates were natural English speakers.





Despite the language diversity that existed in 1787, the Framers took no steps to protect or promote English in the U.S. Constitution


As you can see it was not the framers it was talking about but the population at the time

FACT SHEET: Why English Only - Legislation Violates Civil Rights



The Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.The Equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment states that laws cannot discriminate against certain groups based on specific characteristics, such as race, gender, or national origi





English - only laws also implicate the First Amendment of the Constitution and its freedom of speech guarantee. Laws that do not allow the government to communicate with citizens on issues of public and political importance violate the First Amendme nt

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The right to vote would also be violated by English - only legislation. The Supreme Court has ruled that laws giving States discre tion to control the make - up of the voting population by imposing burdens on minority groups are unconstitutional.





Conclusion
Proposed English - only legislation has the potential of stripping some of the most important constitutional an d statutory rights this country offers to citizens and residents. Preserving the rights to vote, seek judicial remedies, education, work, and participate in the democratic process for all citizens is crucial in maintaining the principles of equality and ju stice upon which this country was built .



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by davjan4

Recently here in Texas, there has been a Target ad playing on TV. Half of it is on Spanish. Since I can't understand what the half of the ad is saying, I no longer shop at target.


Well, that pretty much leaves out all large retail establishments you can shop at, because they all pretty much advertise to the very large Hispanic population in Texas - in Spanish.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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I don't know what you're responding to, so I can't give you a reply longer than one sentence.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
There was no "language diversity" amongst the Framers. All 55 deligates were natural English speakers.



There were also no semi-automatic guns amongst the framers....does that mean that we should limit the 2nd amendment to muskets?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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That really was hilarious really it was.

So 'english only' is a 'civil rights' violation!!!!

Then it seems all the Chinese,Japanese,German's and every other ethnic group gets to sue because apparently the only language's that people are suppose to speak is English, and Spanish.

I think it's way past time the people stop pandering to the Hispanic community.

Language is a 'civil right' !!!!!!

That was too rich.

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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 08:56 PM
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I have worked with many spanish speaking people as well as other foreign language speakers. In some work places we had spanish signs. We also had other foreign language speakers who had no signs in their language whatsoever. It was always english and spanish, never an african or asian language or any other foreign language!
It was like a slap in the face to all others.

There are hundreds of languages spoken in the USA and English was the one language that united us all. It is only the spanish speaking population that has to be cateredd to at every turn. Never before in the history of immigration have we had to press 1 for english. Never before have we had to speak spanish in order to get hired for a job in our own country. Never before have we had to have spanish signs everywhere.

Who would be so disrespectful as to move to a foreign country and refuse to learn the most common language of that country? Who would be so disrespectful and arrogant as to expect and demand that an entire country change for them??????


It places the spanish speaking population above all other foreign language speakers and the other foreign language speakers are resentful.

In the past, all our immigrants learned english. No matter who you met or where they were from, you could speak to one another. So what is better, a united country or one divided who caters to only the spanish speakers?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by LeatherNLace

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
There was no "language diversity" amongst the Framers. All 55 deligates were natural English speakers.



There were also no semi-automatic guns amongst the framers....does that mean that we should limit the 2nd amendment to muskets?

I dunno, how about you start a thread which quotes an external sources claim of "weapon diversity" in the later half of the 18th century and we'll discuss that topic there? You're trying to compare apples and ornages just with your comment alone. Spanish, German, French, Arabic, English, hell, all of the world's languages existed in the 1700s. Semi autos didn't. It seems like the fact that the Framers refrained from covering something which was in existence and widely known about when the Constitution was penned ranks a bit differently and opens the door for a bit more ambiguity (from either side of the argument) than does the firearm issue.

Furthermore, I'm not arguing that possession of language other than English should be outlawed. Nowhere in this thread have I made any sort of argument or stance regarding passage of an official language, said non-English speakers should get out, or made any statements regarding passage of laws in relation to language. All I've said is that it is disingenuous to apply a standard of "By God I'll speak whatever language I want here because that's my right under America's freedom" and then turn around and expect to be catered to and coddled by those who want to speak, read, write, etc English alone. You got a damn right to speak whatever you want in this nation... but you shouldn't have some self righteous indignation if the majority of the country has no clue as to what you're carrying on about nor any desire to change to fit the minority when it is far easier and far, far more logical to expect those who wish to communicate with the majority to learn the majority's language.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 09:03 PM
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Sorry couldn't resist...




posted on May, 10 2013 @ 09:08 PM
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Never before in the history of immigration have we had to press 1 for english. Never before have we had to speak spanish in order to get hired for a job in our own country. Never before have we had to have spanish signs everywhere.


press 1- business decision

speak Spanish to get hired- business decision

Spanish signs- business decision.

It's all about the mighty dollar. Should government regulate what languages businesses should be allowed to use?



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