Brotherhood of Charlatans, UFO phenomenon and New World Religion

I believe in UFO phenomenon, I saw one myself, but I don’t think they are necessarily aliens. Quite contrary, I think if a alien race would be able to reach us, they must be so technological advanced that we wouldn’t be able to recognize them and know they are visiting us. Excepting clouds, meteors, balloons, spy and prototypes planes, what are the remaining UFOs?
Scientists should coordinate and make a long term world wide investigation, but I think no serious researcher would want to associates his name with UFOs anymore after what happened in those late decades, when a swarm of crooks and hoaxers brought this phenomenon to its early stages. Making absurd and insane claims, and only with the perspective of filling their pockets, this Brotherhood of Charlatans has done a tremendous damage to this phenomenon. What do I meant by absurd and insane claims? Well, when someone claims that he is a “CE-5”, he is in contact with ETs and he take your money for pictures with butterflies as ETs and for watching invisible space ships, there are some possibilities:
1. That person could be a charlatan;
2. That person could be insane;
3. That person could be an insane charlatan;
4. You could be a gullible.
This scammers have filled the media with books, TV shows, “disclosure” shows and even have founded UFO religions (and don’t forget about Heaven’s Gate). And speaking about religion, I believe this is the essence: this Brotherhood of Charlatans are preparing the ground for a new World Wide Religion. The masses must be kept under control, and the religion is a useful tool for this: you have to BELIEVE there are 4 races (or 20) of ETs, you have to BELIEVE that there is in front of you an alien ship like this bishop-scammer is telling you, and you have to BELIEVE that in the picture is a Holly ET Spirit.
Well, the Brotherhood of Charlatans made a “disclosure documentary” with the aid (money) of the people, for the people (if they had more money to buy it). Well, I would like to make a disclosure thread with the aid of thinking people for helping more naive ones to lose their ignorance. And I would like to do this because these parasites draw valuable resources from society without giving nothing back.
So in the following posts I will try to debunk their claims, one by one.

reply to post by Catalin


Lol! Man, as far as global mind share goes, the folks teaching the "one world religion of UFO worship" are way, way, WAY down on the list. I wouldn't worry about too much about that if I were you!

reply to post by Catalin


you forgot
5- government/military disinformation specialist

i would appreciate you not casting aspersions against the "insane"
it's all you "sane" people who've messed up the world.

You gives us an excellent example of why the UFO are still a myth (read that word "myth" as an unproven fact).
It will take a few centuries for the impact of the realization to hit us that humans are low on the chart that grades the intelligent beings of the Universe. But the problem is not really about pure intelligence either. It is about areas of society, culture and philosophy that intermix to cause conflict among Earth's inhabitants..

Within those areas can be found the restrictions, warped thinking and loose boundaries that allow the outliers to reside in their various stages of conflict with the major mass of humanity. Much of what you observe is true, but as such are normal, small blips on alien radars. Such they expect. Such will be worked out gradually as details of scientific facts seeps into personal philosophies and alter willing and unwilling brains.

Rather than worry about Dr. Greer--whom I do not support--we should be concerned about those that retain religious beliefs that defy logic and practicality. Western religions, such as the Catholic Church is in the process of doing a self- transformation. It has publically announced that it has seen the light and has charted a course to conform to the dictates of science and modern reality. There should be no question that such actions will lead to the general decline of the Church.

But in some areas of the Middle East for one example, they will never come to accept anything but what they hold as true and dear to the heart, mind and soul. The chief evidence of their mindset is the desired elimination of the infidels, preferably by the spilling of blood. --You think they would want to meet the UFO folk or engage in welcoming a NWO even without the UFO influence?

The modern Crusade is being called forth. The NWO demands it and will have its way unless the world falls apart as is quite possible. However, the current plan of "attack" on the primitives is the quiet approach of assimilation into the Western cultures. That tactic has alternative reasons also, but primarily it will eat away at the foundations of ingrained, brutal life styles if not religions throughout that region . We have only to recognize what Japan is today to see than entire cultures and societies can be changed within less than half a century.

The true coming of the ETs to Earth will be interesting in ways we cannot comprehend. During the process, no doubt as it probably was for the Japanese as they struggled out of the ruins of WWII, there will be doubts about what lays ahead for all aspects of the surviving humans. And most won't have an inkling of what is really happening.



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Originally posted by TheMagus
reply to post by Catalin

 

you forgot
5- government/military disinformation specialist

i would appreciate you not casting aspersions against the "insane"
it's all you "sane" people who've messed up the world.

The military will always try to invent, build and test weapons, hidden from the potential enemies. I think they would prefer that people to say “I saw an alien ship” instead of “I saw this super plane which had fantastic speed and maneuverability” and by this way attracting unwanted attention. So I think not only they had not been bothered by scammers but unofficially supported them to some extent. This subterfuge may hold water for ordinary US citizen but cannot fool a former superpower as Russia or an emergent one as China and they don’t miss any opportunity to mock the US about this matter.

Chinese National TV reporting impending UFO/ET disclosure by Obama government

Dmitry Medvedev, Russian Prime Minister, Jokes About Secret Alien, Extraterrestrial Files

So why a “government/military disinformation specialist” would go against an opinion that support his activity?
Regarding the insane think, why don’t you make an experiment: go to the nearest psychiatric institute, tell them you are a “CE-5”, try to show them a “cloaked” UFO and see what diagnostic you will get! But do that only if you are prepared to meet important historical figures like Julius Caesar, Napoleon Bonaparte, Attila the Hun, etc. You might spend some time with them afterwards.

reply to post by Catalin


I've mentioned it many times, this 'the whole story is just military technology cover-up just doesn't cut it.

You cannot account every single case to be misidentification or natural phenomenon.
You cannot account every single object in the sky displaying quite unusual abilities to be absolutely military made.
You cannot ignore some good cases describing encounters to be all myths, "just stories" and "symbols" when there has been quite evident events describing some unusual objects. I say some because Ancient Astronaut theory goes too far and labels everything 'alien' but among them there are some things that could lead in such direction.

And most importantly, thinking that every single person from your neighbor to high profile military person or astronaut is all lying in the name of "MILITARY SECRET" is absurd and unrealistic.

Don't you think that there are so many cases, that somehow they went way off with stories of aliens, encounters and such just to protect some military secret? What is so secret that requires such an agenda

Why are there cases even FAA and NSA cannot explain, sometimes things they catch on the radars?

What now, every single person you have ever watched or told you he saw some unidentified craft is crazy, dreaming or of course - paid to make up stories to mask some military secret.

There is no military secret that would require such a big cover-up.
In fact, combining clues of strange cases throughout history with many accounts, I won't be surprised if something like that is going on and if even a war is being kept secret with such beings to prevent panic and disaster, or if there's ever been contact - to have agreed to not disclose themselves in public.

The cases are many... this is no religion if you don't blindly believe, forget the charlatans - they are just a group trying to make money OUT OF A SERIOUS EVENT and yet this topic is serious, they just make it look like a joke.

So many cases, just military? What - hiding the latest bomber? It can cloak itself, travel Mach 3, or simply blinking from one side to the other one, tell me 1 aircraft that uses anti-gravity or electromagnetism? I do not think humans have such.

Rosewell - more than 1 crash, unknown metal found, then the stories of mutated Russian kids 'made to look like aliens' - this alone sounds like disinfo cause with so many cases, you cannot be sure. I however see as completely absurd to think all this Aliens talkabout is to hide some military technology, no way smth so big is needed, there is nothing MAN_MADE to be so significant.

Also where is some factual evidence or whisleblowers saying that all the UFO stories are made-up to cover some military projects? If any exist at all, such claims are almost never.

Originally posted by ImpactoR
reply to post by Catalin

 

I've mentioned it many times, this 'the whole story is just military technology cover-up just doesn't cut it.

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The cases are many... this is no religion if you don't blindly believe, forget the charlatans - they are just a group trying to make money OUT OF A SERIOUS EVENT and yet this topic is serious, they just make it look like a joke.
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I didn’t said that whole phenomenon is a military cover up. What I did said, at least what I tried to say and maybe my English failed me, is that we need a scientific approach to this phenomenon and not a religious-like one, because right now is a matter of faith, like Loch Ness Monster or Yeti. There are no scientific proof that UFOs are extraterrestrial of origin, at least I never heard of one.
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You like it or not, it is a religion if you have no real evidence and it is only a matter of faith. And unfortunately it isn’t only a small group.

reply to post by Catalin


I agree with you.

Just watch how the vatican, along with their "new religious capital" in jerusalem, are going to welcome the new religion - based on global warming conspiracy and "new alien gods".

It's so obvious - it hurts. What a bunch of shills.

I will refrain from responding in kind to the way you treat others in other threads for the moment, regardless how much I am antsy to jump all up and down your backside.

Instead, I will just echo what someone has already pointed out and elaborate briefly.
The Government has commissioned at least three known investigations into the phenomenon. Their conclusions speak for themselves on this matter. After untold thousands, perhaps millions (doubtful) spent on Blue Book alone, the conclusion is that at least 1,600 cases are genuine sightings that defy any rational explanation.
These cases include things such as ground to air visual, air to air (pilot), ground to air radar, and air to air radar confirmation simultaneously. NOBODY can rationally argue against the validity of this phenomenon. It is very real. Nobody has all the answers, but some have more than others, and quite honestly, you appear to be quite low on the totem pole of folks who do. Not to mention the fact that you belittle others for even speaking their views on the subject.

Literally, if there was an option to 'thumbs down' a post or a thread multiple times, I would sit here for an hour thumbs downing your thread.

reply to post by JayinAR


I am just wondering why you would believe the gov't in anything?

reply to post by Happy1


Because if there is anything the Gov takes seriously it is invasion of airspace and war.

This was, and still is, a very big deal.

reply to post by JayinAR


Do you think the gov't will fight the aliens if they come? Or, will they just concede defeat and let them rule?

And, will they let the citizens know they've been defeated, or will the gov't just pretend their still in charge, but there not?

reply to post by Happy1


I feel that is off topic, is it not?
Are we not all supposed to sit here and watch OP shout down peoples' UFO claims?
I think this is supposed to be a bully pulpit thread.

The officer in command of the Air Force of Belgium has publicly stated that the phenomenon is real, based largely on chases by fighters and radar observation. The same goes for those of a few South American countries. And Mikhail Gobachev, while President of the Soviet Union, said for the record in a magazine interview, "The UFO phenomenon is real and should be taken seriously." They don't make official statements that aliens are behind the phenomenon, but at least they admit it exists, based on strong multiwitness, multimode sightings. And the position of the USAF is simply that UFOs do not pose a threat to national security, rather than claiming that they don't exist.

Charletans save taxpayer dollars, since less has be spent on making the public think UFOs are a manifestation of psychopathy.

Originally posted by JayinARAfter untold thousands, perhaps millions (doubtful) spent on Blue Book alone, the conclusion is that at least 1,600 cases are genuine sightings that defy any rational explanation.
These cases include things such as ground to air visual, air to air (pilot), ground to air radar, and air to air radar confirmation simultaneously. NOBODY can rationally argue against the validity of this phenomenon.

Let's be really really rational and realistic here...or try to be.

If you were a government official...say, someone who is briefed by the Air Force, Naval Intelligence & the Department of Defense...and you were told that the 1,600 (or whatever the number is) of incidents you inquired about were in fact, confirmed experimental military craft but, you are not to talk about it or disclose any information whatsoever. And you turned to the public and told them that these are unidentified or could not be explained...what are the chances that the fringe and fanatics of the population are going to assume alienz or conspiracy? Which do you think is more plausible?

If aliens had visited earth, no government agency would have control or say in the evidence...it would just be fact. Sorry to burst your fantasy bubble but, there's no credible evidence any alien race has visited earth.

reply to post by WilliamOckham


And I disagree.

Abduction accounts alone range in the tens of thousands.
Like it or not this is evidence.
Our oldest 'myths' on the planet tell all about off worlders.
Like it or not, this is evidence.
I have personally interacted with an intelligence, and no offense, ten fold greater than your own easily.
Like it or not, this is evidence.
When credible people, in high positions, say they observed something not of this world...
Like it or not, this is evidence.

I see you take a liking to the principle of Okham's Razor.
Like it or not, it is a principle. Not a law.

Simply saying, it ALL COULD BE the Government, DOES NOT WORK when stacked against evidence it is something else.

'42 school children in Zimbabwe witness UFO and draw sketches of alien occupants' comes to mind.

Originally posted by JayinAR

I have personally interacted with an intelligence, and no offense, ten fold greater than your own easily.
Like it or not, this is evidence.

Please elaborate. It wasn't through meditation, by any chance, was it? If so, you have to concede the possibility that this communication was entirely in your own mind.

reply to post by WilliamOckham


Nope. Not through meditation. Although at the time I was following a meditation regimine.
Ugh. I really don't wish to elaborate again. I am still sorta embarrassed by the whole damn thing. I highlighted the events in a thread last night, though.
It can be found on the last page of the Paul Hellyer thread currently up and running.

reply to post by Catalin


ROFL! Methinks, they'd have a more interesting
and "safe" study dealing with your sensitivity issues.
[as i'd be curing them of their "sanity"]

did I call you a disinfo agent?

no, I did not.

i merely pointed out that GOV/MIC have been muddying the waters
regarding the subject. funny you should take it so personally

but such are the ways of the "sane"...

reply to post by Catalin


I think we all know what UFOs are since it was evident since I was in High School.
At that point there was good reason to shelve that find and go on with life until all
the internet alien rub that is wrong. The CIA recruits agents according to the Lyne
book "Pentagon Aliens" to follow many false groups and so called religions.
Is ease cause they know when flights are made to impress everyone.
You mentioned Heaven’s Gate and so does Lyne as that group was a false project
that got tired out and got lost to false gods if not died waiting for a UFO pickup.
Needless to say if they knew about Tesla ships back then the lies would have been
exposed.