Originally posted by Golf66
The Imam was speaking as he always does with the introductory statement not fully understanding that in effect he has just implied (based on your
translation) that the only way to salvation is to seek the protection of Allah for protection from Satan. He tactfully leaves out that to not do so
What the Imam said was just a formulaic recitation. They always say the same thing before reading from the Qur'an, because they believe that that is
when the Shaytan will try to get them the hardest, by causing them to misunderstand what they are reading. The sense is for Allah to guide their
understanding in protection from the Shaytan's misleading.
Christians have a similar concept, although not used formulaically "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion,
walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" 1 Peter 5:8
In Islam, that formula is not for everyone present, it's for the reciter - i.e. he said "I seek refuge", singular, rather than plural and inclusive.
It's a plea between the cleric and God, before he starts the recitation, to "guide me rightly".
I understand how Muslims are with their recitations - I mean you can get "Should Allah will it" (or some variation thereof) in response to almost
anything... its ingrained response.
Same here. In this neck of the woods, even the profane are known to say "Good Lord willing and the creeks don't rise" way too often and as a matter of
course. That's the hillbilly version of "inshallah".
This of course implies to the listener that they too are subjet to the will of Allah even if they don't beleive in him themselves. I never took that
personally, but I know some people who did.
I believe that the misunderstanding there is in the Christian notion that "allah" is a proper name - it's not. It just means "The God", and isn't
really all that specific, not enough to differentiate the Muslim God from the Christian God.
Anyway, based on my few years in theater (Afghanistan/Iraq) I suppose this guy’s statement would be like the Christian guy asking everyone to accept
Jesus as their Savior before quoting the Bible in a mixed group of Muslims and Christians. Personally, I don't suspect it would go over well and for
sure with a lot more bloodshed had there been a few hard liners around. It is a direct challenge to one's faith.
Pretty close. Some folks on both sides of that divide are WAY too fast to take offense, which I suspect may be borne of fear - that their religion can
somehow be sullied thereby. I dunno. I've never felt mine to be that weak, so I can't really identify. I suppose, though, that if your security in
your own beliefs were weak, you could see that sort of thing as a danger to you.
Perhaps he knew this and wanted to make a plausibly deniable dig that implied that those who had not sought the protection of Allah from Satan (i.e.
the dead SEALs) were damned. I mean as an Imam he surely feels deep inside that if the dead were non-believers they are indeed damned - period
regardless of what he reads from the Koran in their memory/honor/behalf.
Having spent time in theater, you probably already know that Christians and Jews are not considered "unbelievers", i.e "kafr", but are considered
"People of the Book", fellow travelers of a sort. They generally just believe them to be inferior, incomplete, or imperfect believers , but not "hell
All in all, it seems to be a misunderstanding, perhaps intentional and agenda driven and fueled, with a lot of people listening to what some
Christian says about what Muslims believe. Personally, if I want to know what Christians believe, I'm not going to go ask a Muslim - I'd rather go to
the source, and ask a Christian. It works the same way the other way 'round.
Religion is a touchy subject and IMO they could have had a remembrance ceremony that honored the dead from both (and all religions) in a purely
Remember them as fallen warriors who died fighting a common foe respected by their comrades in arms.
Leave their families and loved ones handle the religious details individually and privately.
Instead they wanted to seem inclusive and PC and they failed.
That really would have been the best solution, but leave it up to Uncle Sugar to attempt to be inclusive, make everyone happy, and fail miserably in
the attempt, making no one happy. I guess it's true, eh - the military only has two sizes - too big and too small.
edit on 2013/5/9 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)