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Obama: We have a moral obligation to end the slaughter and ensure a stable Syria

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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 03:13 AM
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It's not just Obama, the UK and France ( the old colonial powers), also seem to feel we need to provide a moral role in this fight, by arming the rebels by proxy. These the same rebels who stepped over Obamas 'red line' by using chemical weapons.

Obama sounds like this woman being schooled by George Galloway

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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I find it worth mentioning that a POTUS as left-leaning as Obama is going according to PNAC.

www.examiner.com...


It really does show that no matter which party is in office, the real powers behind are the same. They dress things up differently, cloaking the same actions in different rhetoric. And they keep people arguing over left and right and social issues that the power elite probably don't really care about. But some things don't change.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" - The Wizard of Oz

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." - The Who



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 03:14 AM
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Obama: "Dear America, assault rifles which can shoot more than 6 bullets are BAD, mmkay?"

Obama: "Dear Syria, your shipment of assault rifles and 30-round magazines is on its way!"
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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 03:20 AM
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Iran and Syria get on fabulously they want to disrupt this.

BUT why didnt they go into North Korea to create justice for their people?

Why the sudden need to heal the world lol



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 03:35 AM
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Could this be seen as desperation? Who could support going into Syria? Nobody I know. Maybe they got the news working overtime on this. Maybe it doesn't even matter what the public thinks anymore.

I think "the powers that WERE" are desperately trying to start World War 3 every chance they get. I think they will continue to fail miserably, literally falling on their own swords, as their acts only expose them further.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Obama sounds like this woman being schooled by George Galloway


Wow, what a fantastic video. Galloway really makes some excellent points.

Unfortunately, I don't think Obama is as poorly informed and idealistic as the woman on that call. I think he is probably quite well aware of the US interests and plans in the region and is making cold and calculated decisions (or at least wittingly implementing the cold and calculated decisions of others) just as Bush did before him.

As pointed out by others, the US is still following the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) playbook. As for Britain and France, they are probably scrambling to not get cut out of the spoils of the neo-colonialism and to regain any parts of their past colonial empires and power.

I read the PNAC proposal more than 10 years ago, shortly after 9/11. It was pragmatic but chilling. Though it may be smart power politics and military strategy, and I can see why the authors would argue for it, I don't think it's the vision of America that most Americans would knowingly choose. But I would guess most Americans buy into how mass media presents things, much like the woman on that call obviously has. Hook, line, and sinker...



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 03:54 AM
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Yep quite ludicrous. Why promote American values world wide? Sounds dodgy to me.
Other cultures work quite well and peacefully when left.
To me the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has another agenda is more about money and power. Not a genuinely helping others or else they would have gone into North Korea lately, or even Africa certain areas suffer greatly.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
The situation is not the same, at all. A more proper analogy is to ask yourself "is it proper to go next door to someone else's house, kick the door in, and shoot the inhabitants because you don't like the way they are running their household?"

We didn't just walk by Syria on our way home from work and notice runaway trucks. This is a planned destabilization, and invasion of THEIR sovereignty. It's not something we just happened across on a public thoroughfare


Again, you refused and try to deflect away from my question, and even try to add more unsubstantiated lies to support your falsehood to encourage the Obama haters and anti-americanism here.

All I ask is only a simple question, but many here chosed to be armchair Political Science PHD professors to spout and show their limited intellect and worse - inhumanity.

Enjoy this song. It is for you. It is people like you and the likes of Amanda Barry captors that atrocities continue daily


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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Again, you refused and try to deflect away from my question, and even try to add more unsubstantiated lies to support your falsehood to encourage the Obama haters and anti-americanism here.


I am not going to answer your question. Your question is irrelevant, not germaine to the topic, and misleading. it is a straw man. Straw men are made to be burned, not answered.

I WILL, however, answer your charges that I have added "unsubstantiated lies" to support my "falsehood", and that I am "unamerican". To the first charge, I say SHOW ME. Point out my "unsubstantiated lies" and "falsehoods". Put your money where your mouth is, and show me. NEVER make accusations without proof. they will burn down around your ears. If you're going to call me a liar, you'd better be ready to back that up.

To the charges of being "unamerican", I'd like to know just what it is YOU are doing or have done for America. I'm arguing to keep Americans here, and using our resources to aid Americans, and letting Syria sort out it's own internal problems, and you are arguing not in favor of AMERICA, but in favor of AL QAEDA and the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, both pretty unamerican organizations, in SYRIA, not here. If you're going to call ME "unamerican" I want to know what YOU have done for America. I can see right here in this thread what you are doing for her enemies.



All I ask is only a simple question, but many here chosed to be armchair Political Science PHD professors to spout and show their limited intellect and worse - inhumanity.


Yes. A "simple" question - and an irrelevant one.



Enjoy this song. It is for you. It is people like you and the likes of Amanda Barry captors that atrocities continue daily.


"People like me" are somehow promoting atrocities? We aren't the ones screaming to arm terrorists. That would be YOU. I'll leave you to decide for yourself whether or not arming America's enemies is "unamerican" or not.

ETA: Your song is also irrelevant. This is not a case of child beating, and the Muslim Brotherhood sure as HELL ain't Social Services. Your attempt to lump me in with the Amanda Berry captors is also irrelevant, AND pretty low, but it's what I'd expect of someone who has no real or honest thing to say, but who is still desperate to say something. Flounder much?




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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by FreedomEntered
Iran and Syria get on fabulously they want to disrupt this.

BUT why didnt they go into North Korea to create justice for their people?

Why the sudden need to heal the world lol


Because the banks say it's time to heal the word. What was one of the first things did when we went into Libya? Set up a central bank.
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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
It's not just Obama, the UK and France ( the old colonial powers), also seem to feel we need to provide a moral role in this fight, by arming the rebels by proxy. These the same rebels who stepped over Obamas 'red line' by using chemical weapons.

Obama sounds like this woman being schooled by George Galloway

edit on 11-5-2013 by woodwardjnr because: (no reason given)

OH OHOHO Great video, that woman is a classic example of the millions of uninformed ignorant americans believing all the # obama spews at them.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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Many people falsely believe that Obama is source of problems or getting rid of Obama is good for them.

Americans simply do not understand NWO. I can assure people here that people will cry and curse themselves if NWO becomes a reality.

You look like an intelligent person, so I ask you. Which family is the richest family in the world?



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
We didn't just walk by Syria on our way home from work and notice runaway trucks. This is a planned destabilization, and invasion of THEIR sovereignty. It's not something we just happened across on a public thoroughfare.



You alleged 'planned destabilization'. Where are the plans? Who's the liar now?

Simple questions, and yet unlikely to get any honest and real responses from you except more BS to fool others.

Have fun then. I had spared you more time than you deserved.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
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Originally posted by nenothtu
We didn't just walk by Syria on our way home from work and notice runaway trucks. This is a planned destabilization, and invasion of THEIR sovereignty. It's not something we just happened across on a public thoroughfare.



You alleged 'planned destabilization'. Where are the plans? Who's the liar now?

Simple questions, and yet unlikely to get any honest and real responses from you except more BS to fool others.

Have fun then. I had spared you more time than you deserved.


If you are going to be on an alternative site such as ATS then you should be willing to do a lot of the research yourself rather than demand it from others. It is beyond lazy and reeks of dishonesty. I could tell you the protocols of the learned elders of zion and/or the secret covenant for starters, but I have the feeling you couldn't care less.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by buster2010
 


Many people falsely believe that Obama is source of problems or getting rid of Obama is good for them.

Americans simply do not understand NWO. I can assure people here that people will cry and curse themselves if NWO becomes a reality.

You look like an intelligent person, so I ask you. Which family is the richest family in the world?



Voting "third party" is the only solution for now, short of a full blown revolution. You can't say the pizza sucks unless first you try it. I don't expect miracles from anyone, all I want is some stability/peace/space exploration/fun.

The only reason people use "third party" in america is because the media INTENTIONALY KEEPS libertarians/greens/constitutionalists/socialists ARTIFICIALLY LOW in popularity by ignoring them as much as possible and keeping them out of the debates. Listening to Obama and Romney "debate" was the most boring 2 hours of my life.
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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 11:58 AM
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I do actually envy Americans in that respect, at least you can vote how you like without worrying about the repurcusions.

Here in the UK thanks to a number of reasons (but mainly a decade or so of "Tactical Voting") you always have to worry a right wing fringe group like the BNP or UKIP will get in if you don't go for one of the main ones...
End result of Voter apathy in a system like ours - but I'm not sure your system will ever reach that point.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSteiner
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I do actually envy Americans in that respect, at least you can vote how you like without worrying about the repurcusions.

Here in the UK thanks to a number of reasons (but mainly a decade or so of "Tactical Voting") you always have to worry a right wing fringe group like the BNP or UKIP will get in if you don't go for one of the main ones...
End result of Voter apathy in a system like ours - but I'm not sure your system will ever reach that point.


Tactical voting and smear campaigns pushed by the big parties and their media cohorts is exactly what causes big parties to ALWAYS win the elections. I would rather have nazis in power over "two sides of the same coin".

You think the UK government and USA government do not commit atrocities daily, weekly, monthly, yearly?

Lots of countries were national socialist back in the 30s and 40s but only germany and italy were expansionalists and that is because england, france, spain and portugal had monopolised all the colonies for themselves and germany/italy were starving for resources. The japaneese were starving for resources as well.

The "extremist" card is exactly what ptb push on the gullible public to ensure other parties(who are probably much more qualified) NEVER get elected. I can see through their evil facade because I have studied history and conspiracy theory for years.

Sure some small parties ARE bad, but NOT all are. People NEED to get INFORMED of the possible choices, but CANT depand on the SOLD-OUT media. They have to do a lot of research on their own and most people don't have the time or energy to do so.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 12:14 PM
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All governments commit atrocities, it's the nature of governance - but you get a damn site more happening when your government is made up of people who's only policy is "kick the darkies out".

Voter apathy means in the end the only people who can be bothered to vote in large numbers are extremists - which would be ok, but like I say, they're one policy parties - even the greens have a more robust manifesto!



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSteiner
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All governments commit atrocities, it's the nature of governance - but you get a damn site more happening when your government is made up of people who's only policy is "kick the darkies out".

Voter apathy means in the end the only people who can be bothered to vote in large numbers are extremists - which would be ok, but like I say, they're one policy parties - even the greens have a more robust manifesto!


National Socialism is the opposite of what we have today which is international capitalism. And not only that but it is american-judeo monopolistic capitalism, is it not? Can chineese companies sell their merchandise to europe and america without being labeled as "knock-off" merchandise? The answer is no!

I am not "lets kick out" some undesirables. The spaniards, portugueese, romanians, turks etc were all national socialists in the 30s and 40s, but people pick on hitler and nazis to destroy national socialism because it goes against the demonic globalist agenda. Why do people want such globalism is beyond me. At least it should be balanced with tariffs and other protectionts measures.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
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You alleged 'planned destabilization'. Where are the plans?


I'm not really wanting to jump into the middle of an argument between you and nenothtu anymore than I think the US should jump into the middle of things in Syria. But since you asked about the plans...

You're unlikely to find specific plans to destabilize Syria and the middle east in general posted on the Internet. As others have said, there's plenty of information available with a little research. Here is an interesting article to get you started:

The plan to destabilize Syria, by Thierry Meyssan

That article is from 2011, but is perhaps even more relevant today. The author is a respected journalist and college professor who actually lives in Syria:


French intellectual, founder and chairman of Voltaire Network and the Axis for Peace Conference. Professor of International Relations at the Centre for Strategic Studies in Damascus. His columns specializing in international relations feature in daily newspapers and weekly magazines in Arabic, Spanish and Russian.

SOURCE

He presents a side of the story you're not likely to see in the mainstream news in America but that you are seeing here in this thread. It's worthwhile reading if you want an informed analysis and opinion on another side of the story.

Meyssan traces the plan to destabilize Syria back to a speech by John Bolton in 2002 at The Heritage Foundation, in which Syria was lumped into what the Bush administration had first dubbed The Axis Of Evil. You can read the text of Bolton's speech here:

Beyond the Axis of Evil: Additional Threats from Weapons of Mass Destruction

Bolton was a prominent member of Project for the New American Century (PNAC). At the time of the 2002 speech, Bolton was undersecretary of state for arms control and international security for the Bush administration. Of course he later went on to be Bush's ambassador to the UN.

Basically, Bolton's 2002 speech is when Syria was publicly called out as a threat due to "weapons of mass destruction" and put on notice by the US government. Weapons of mass destruction were the excuse of the day to justify military action. The new excuse is "to prevent slaughter." But it's hard to take such moral high ground when you had a hand in creating and escalating the slaughter, as the US apparently has.

For what it's worth, since some may think I'm bashing America, I'm an American. And there are a lot of Americans who didn't think this sort of thing was right when Bush or other past administrations did it and also don't think it's right when Obama does it.



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