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UK Barrister - "Age of Consent Should Be 13 - To End The Persecution Of Old Men"

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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 07:54 AM
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Why do I think it’s wrong, because I know at the age of 15 I had the capacity to understand that a girl of 13 was not ready for sex and that it would be wrong for me to have sex with a girl of that age. It’s just that simple my morally compass dictates that is wrong.

It might just be an age thing but I know if it was my daughter at 13 who had some horny 15 year old getting in her pants I would hunt him down and the result would not be pretty, I would make sure it would be medically impossible for him to ever have sex again.

Like I say this is a matter of my personal opinion, if you don’t see any problem in it then fine, but I think based on my views on the matter that what you done was wrong. Its really very simple.




posted on May, 10 2013 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Maslo
 


Why do I think it’s wrong, because I know at the age of 15 I had the capacity to understand that a girl of 13 was not ready for sex and that it would be wrong for me to have sex with a girl of that age. It’s just that simple my morally compass dictates that is wrong.


It's not wrong, both of them are adolescents. A 15 year old boy is usually less mature than a 13 year old girl, at least mentally. You are sick for comparing that to 13 vs 25, for instance. Its not wrong and your moral compass is broken, try to fix it. Let kids be kids.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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If the law passes, watchout for exodus of pedos from around the world to UK. Really messed up proposition.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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At no point did I compare it to a 13 vs 25 year old, I didn’t, all I am saying is that in my view it is wrong for a 15 year old to have sexual intercourse with anyone aged 13.

that is my view and I stand by it if anyone disagrees that is fine, this is a matter of personal opinion.

Just don’t put words in my mouth



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 09:10 AM
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Is it me, or have the older generations all gone completely mad?

They want mass immigration, offshoring of all jobs, unregulated banking, smoking and drinking bans, so many other crazy things, and now they want anonymity for those charged with rape and sexual assault, of children or anyone else.

Question Time is the big politics program in the UK, and watching that program last night I had to switch off the TV because I couldn't take one more second of these grinning idiots, piously declaring that all those things were perfectly acceptable and to do otherwise would be "to go backwards because people are afraid"

While the program's audience, of ordinary British folk, were groaning and shifting in their seats, threatening to vote for UKIP not out of fear, in my opinion, but out of sheer desperation!



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 09:42 AM
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Why do I think it’s wrong, because I know at the age of 15 I had the capacity to understand that a girl of 13 was not ready for sex and that it would be wrong for me to have sex with a girl of that age.


How about two 13 year olds? If the reason is that the girl is not ready for sex at 13 and not the age difference, sure that must also be the case.



It might just be an age thing but I know if it was my daughter at 13 who had some horny 15 year old getting in her pants I would hunt him down and the result would not be pretty, I would make sure it would be medically impossible for him to ever have sex again.


You need to get professional help before you hurt someone innocent.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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I am stating a valid opinion that in my view it is wrong for a 15 year old to have sexual intercourse with a 13 year old and that I think the age of consent should be set at 18.

If you have a different opinion that is fine.

But please don’t start spouting of rubbish like I need professional help and that I am going to get someone innocent hurt. You know nothing about me and you are in no position to make such harsh statements so please stop with the petty and juvenile insults and let’s keep things civil.

I can respect your views I would appreciate it if you would show me the same courteously even if our views are at odds.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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It sickens me that these laws are even necesarry but it is what it is.
Sounds to me like they want to protect the molesters and that is just absurd to me.
I notice even in my country that the sentences the offenders get are ridiculously short!
They need to be much more strict when it comes to these offences. Not only in the time to serve but they also need to get the offender the (psychological) help it needs to get. *sigh*
Really sickens me..



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 11:16 AM
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Jeezus who in hell do these aholes think they are...............



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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The UK is absolutely rife with pedophilia and sexual abuse. The goings on behind closed doors at the BBC are just the tip of a very big iceberg. The media are drip feeding the public with the high profile perpetrators, to the point where the public are sort of bored with it now. This is the intention. This distracts the public from the politicians, high ranking police officers, barristers and wealthy businessmen who were supplied children (mostly via Social Services) as part of this disgusting underworld.

If you have not seen this video, I would urge you to watch it. Then this age of consent thing might make a bit more sense in the grand scheme of things.


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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 11:25 AM
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Id suggest Ms Hewson has lost touch with reality if she thinks child abuse isn't a serious crime.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 11:54 AM
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I read about this yesterday and her opinion shocks me.

Lowering the age of consent to make kiddie-fiddling legal, it's outrageous. And thank God she's only a barrister and not a lawmaker.

All these celebrities being accused of these crimes just lately is shocking. I heard on the news the other day that Jimmy Tarbuck had also been arrested in connection with all this too. Is this some kind of secret brotherhood of celebrity paedophiles? It makes me wonder.

And as for the law, well ...
To view pornography you have to be 18 or over.

Age of consensual sex is 16.

Old enough to do it before you're old enough to watch it.

Work that one out.
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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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Well, you are advocating permanently physically harming teenagers who have consentual sex with other teenagers approximately their age, so forgive me if I got a little annoyed, but that is a pretty unusual and cruel opinion (and if you actually acted on it as you say you would, you would surely end up in prison for doing so).

Age of consent laws generally work by disallowing people above it to have sex with people below it. If the partners are both above AoC or both below the AoC, there is no crime commited (if it was then there would be outcomes such as two persons raping each other, which is pretty absurd - thats why I asked you if you believe two 13 year olds or more broadly teenagers of the same age having sex should be illegal, and who should be prosecuted in such case if so). Because the goal is to prevent children being abused by adults, not criminalise teenagers having consentual sex with other teenagers around their age, something which is perfectly normal, widespread and not exploitative at all.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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Actually the age of consent in the UK is 16 years old for both males and females



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:52 PM
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Well, you are advocating permanently physically harming teenagers who have consentual sex with other teenagers approximately their age, so forgive me if I got a little annoyed, but that is a pretty unusual and cruel opinion


No that is not what i said stop putting words into my mouth.

This is what i said (see page two)




Posted by othersideofthecoin
what you done was both morally and legally wrong, if I had my way you would have been prosecuted for having sex whilst underage


now you go on to say that




If the partners are both above AoC or both below the AoC, there is no crime commited


WRONG!!!

in the UK, as this is a thread based in the UK, it is illegal for anyone under the age of 16 to engage in sexual intercourse, that means even if two people aged 15 years and 11 months have sex they are both committing a crime. Its actually a very grey area of law but yes what you done in the UK would be classed technically as a crime. Furthermore if the individual is 15 and has sex with any girl aged less than 13 it is considered statutory rape. There are children as young as 11 on the sex offender register in this country. As such in the UK it what you done, regardless of how noble or loving you claim your actions to have been it would technically have been sexual assault by both parties.

Assuming that you continued to have sex after you turned 16, you would then qualify for a prison sentence of 2 years (although I think the maximum sentence is 5 years, or 14 if your over 18). Before you said that you were with this girl for six years that means that when you were 17 it is possible to deuce that you were having sexual intercourse with a girl aged 15, this carries a prison sentence in the UK because it is illegal. You might find it interesting to note that one of the arguments for lowering the age of consent (something I totally disagree with) to 14 was because it was felt that a higher age of consent was criminalising young people.

What you done was illegal, that is a fact, when I said “you should have been punished to the full extent of the law” that is what I meant, saying “we were both underage” is not a valid legal defence. Now in my personal opinion you should have been punished for what you done in accordance with the law, in addition to this it is also my personal opinion that what you done was also immoral.

have a bunch of links that proves legally what you done was wrong and should have put you on a sex ofenders registar.

www.thinkuknow.co.uk...
londonprogressivejournal.com...
www.channel4.com...
news.bbc.co.uk...




thats why I asked you if you believe two 13 year olds or more broadly teenagers of the same age having sex should be illegal


not "should be illegal" it is actually illegal for two 13 year olds to have sex and yes i agree that it should be illegal.

did you not take up sex-ed class or something because what you are saying on this thread is incriminating yourself as you could based on this thread if the police could id you, be charged and sent to jail.
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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:58 PM
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Just curious
...How many on this thread advocating that underage sex or

lowering the age of consent is OK, have teen age children?? or more to the point daughters?


I understand the dual standards from waaayy back in time, that many men think its OK for

the boys to sow their 'wild oats' (nudge, nudge what a stud!!
) but a girl doing the same gets

labelled a slapper



And for any who do have teens i'd like to know if these parents also help them break the

law as it stands by letting them drink and smoke??

edit on 10-5-2013 by eletheia because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by eletheia

Just curious
...How many on this thread advocating that underage sex or

lowering the age of consent is OK, have teen age children?? or more to the point daughters?


I understand the dual standards from waaayy back in time, that many men think its OK for

the boys to sow their 'wild oats' (nudge, nudge what a stud!!
) but a girl doing the same gets

labelled a slapper


I think it should be raised to 18. my views really are that simple

just like i think the age of drinking should be 21



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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I never said otherwise.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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have a bunch of links that proves legally what you done was wrong and should have put you on a sex ofenders registar.


Your own links state that it is a grey area and rarely enforced because prosecution is stopped on "public interest grounds".

And it also states that third to half of young people engages in such sex. So you better make up your mind, because by your crazy logic half of Britain should be behind bars on rape charge. Do you see how ridiculous it is?




posted on May, 10 2013 @ 02:10 PM
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Yes it is a grey area, something I even admit in my post but fundamentally it is illegal for two persons aged under 16 to engage in a sexual act.

Just because a whole bunch of kids are doing it doesn’t make legal, just like the 16 year old that are drinking, doesnt make that legal yet the all do it.

So it is a matter of fact that what you done was illegal and if you were with this girl for 6 years and presuming you were having sexual relations throughout the relationship then that would make the crime even more serious.

In my view this is my personal opinion, what you done was morally wrong and you should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law for your crime.

If you disagree (which I assume you do) that I can respect that but you can’t escape the fact that it was a crime.

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