Allow legal sex at 13 to stop 'old men abuse persecutions', says barrister

13 is WAY too young. I think 16 should be the age of consent. I would put it at 18, but I just don't like the idea of men in their early 20s being punished for having sex with 17 year olds. It's not a big deal imo - like is a 20 year old guy really that much more mature than a 17 year old girl? People of majority age who have sex with young teenagers should get second-degree statutory rape and those who have sex with people younger than 13 should be treated the same way as those who forcibly rape.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse

I wonder if she would hold the same views if she had been abused as a child?

I actually wouldn't be too surprised if that is the reason she does hold those views.

en.wikipedia.org...

All she's really trying to do is differentiate actual pedophilia such as lusting after an 8 year old, from sexual harassment such as lusting after a 15 year old. To apply pedophilia laws to a 19 year old man who has a 15 year old girlfriend who consensually has sex with him IS kind of ridiculous. And it does happen. I imagine she's trying to prevent that kind of thing.

reply to post by lampsalot


Another sign of a girl having been abused is their speaking voice. That high, squeaky "baby talk" voice some guys think is sexy is there, usually, because the girl was severely sexually traumatized at an early age. They are emotionally stunted, or trapped, at that developmental stage and thus their sound.

Kind of takes the "fun" outta it, huh guys?

Not to make light... but...

There is one comic's thought provoking take on the matter of pedophilia. Louis C.K., an American comedian, makes a point in one of his shows that perhaps we shouldn't take child-rape so seriously in that maybe then the children wouldn't be killed as often. The children are routinely killed because the perpetrators don't want to get the severe penalties that are attached to the act. If it was more routine and not such a universally condemned act, then they'd be less likely to hide their deeds with murder.

Once through the revulsion, the truth of the thought is evident... though many would argue death is a toss up with a life of fear and pain caused by the violations of children.

reply to post by Cabin


Are you in the Netherlands? Your profile doesn't state it and neither does your post.

Originally posted by hypattia
reply to post by Lady_Tuatha
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Most YOUNG adolescents are intimidated by adults and taught to obey authorities. Rebellion begins a little later. Many times the adults they interact with are also authority figures, teachers, doctors, mentors, law enforcement, people in positions of power over them. The young person feels confused, afraid even if they seem willing, they may think they should "please someone", do be accepted and liked. Or if they tell anyone they will be told "oh they didn't mean anything sexual, and feel ridiculed.

This betrayal will affect these young adults for many years of their lives, feeling the only worth they have is sexual, and feel that the only acceptance they can expect is thru their sexuality. Sure... what's the crime in that?
However not criminalizing 2 sexually consenting 16 and 17 year olds, or 17 and 18 year-olds, levels the playing field by the emotional, mental, equality of the participants.

How incredibly ignorant this is. Yes it does not compare to actual rape, and murder. "She said that "touching a 17-year-old's breast, kissing a 13-year-old, or putting one's hand up a 16-year-old's skirt" are not crimes comparable to gang rapes and murders and "anyone suggesting otherwise has lost touch with reality". However that makes it not a crime?! Ok, then stealing, vandalism, animal cruelty etc, is not murder, so no big deal either.

In relative terms powerful adults are being PERSECUTED by powerless 13 year-olds? Sounds like an oxymoron! Having once been a young adolescent myself, I can recall thinking I cannot wait until I can have control over my own life, so that I do not have to endure abuse from "old men" that had control over my life. You cannot imagine the feeling of betrayal you feel from people who you were told had your best interests at heart and oh yes, they love you and you should try it, it feels good no matter how much you did not want to. I do not know of any 13, 14 year olds, that are sexually attracted to anyone over 20. If they are it is usually attributed to having already been molested, and have become sexualized before they were emotionally and mentally prepared.
I never felt I had a childhood. Old men who already had their life, should have the option to control a young person's life for their own sexual enjoyment, because their sexual gratification is a priority over a young adolescent's mental and emotional health? I have 3 adult children, and I am grateful they have never had to experience being forced to bloom before they were ready, with some old creep.

This, This and This! Beautifully said, speaks for Millions of us...

The only thing that will ever end this garbage, is when the victims rise up, and slaughter the ones who stole what Should have been a beautiful experience, with one they Wanted to be with, not COERCED to be with,

Maybe when these Violators of personal boundaries and intimate space are hacked to pieces with a ax they'll get it.

Forget persecution, oh boo hoo,

I say, skin them alive, after all, fair is fair. I have zero sympathy for bastards who harm childrens souls, they are vampires, they should be destroyed as such.

Originally posted by lampsalot

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse

I wonder if she would hold the same views if she had been abused as a child?

I actually wouldn't be too surprised if that is the reason she does hold those views.

en.wikipedia.org...

And there are a million more of us, and Some of us, whose minds Are decolonized and like the Pink Gang, (India) have no qualms about peeling an sobs skin off and torturing his sorry PEDO ass to death...

God help them when our numbers increase, and they are, then There will truly be HELLs FURIES

And I promise, they'll get as little numeracy as we did.

Count on it...the numbers of Decolonized minds are growing, and there is an Angry Army of Victims who are FED UP with these ASSWIPES,

The law can only restrain us for so long and brainwash for so long...eventually the mind binding will come off. And when it does, the Wretched of the Earth will slaughter them,

Reap what you sow, they are raising a Generation of detached victims who have no sympathy, whom these monsters created, they may squeal in squeaky voice for now...but One day those squeaky submissive voices will turn to Murderous Rage,

And there Will be no place for these Soul Assassins to run.

Think this can't happen, the largest fastest Street gang, are street kids, sex abuse victims from El Salvador, that's ONE example,

Just ONE.

They keep destroying the Souls of children, and I promise you, one day they'll be facing the demos they created...and those demons will laugh at them, the way they laughed. Wait and see, the Myth is that victims will always be passive,

WRONG.

All it takes, is a snap...they keep Fkng with Children, and I promise you, one day those Children are going to Fk back.

Said it before women are weird and nutty and you guys jumped all over me, now what have you got to say for yourselves lol. Even one woman in here saying this chick should ask 13 year olds what they think about this... I thought they were too dumb to consent so why bother asking them what their dumb minds think. Just let them keep playing Barbie (yes I know they've outgrown that at that point).

By the way did anyone see the episode of Steve Wilkos today and yesterday where an 18 year old girl was having a sexual relationship with her 40 something biological father? sicko lol

Originally posted by Baddogma

There is one comic's thought provoking take on the matter of pedophilia. Louis C.K., an American comedian, makes a point in one of his shows that perhaps we shouldn't take child-rape so seriously in that maybe then the children wouldn't be killed as often. The children are routinely killed because the perpetrators don't want to get the severe penalties that are attached to the act. If it was more routine and not such a universally condemned act, then they'd be less likely to hide their deeds with murder.

Actually it's exceedingly rare for pedophiles to murder children. The cases that do happen tend to get national attention, but the vast majority of pedophiles do not cross the line into serial killing. Doesn't make their crimes any less sick, but most of them don't go that far.

I agree with Louis CK that the fact we consider rape so serious (like equal to murder) might do more harm than good. It also makes the victim afraid of telling because they are worried people will treat them differently for it, and they will become an object of scornful pity.

Old men make the laws.

Very odd that it is a female requesting these changes. Only thing that I can think of would be a motive for such an outrageous request is that perhaps there is someone in her immediate family who has committed such things or someone close to her. That way they won't get into trouble if the law was changed to allow this type of sick behavior.

Mind blown!

reply to post by thebtheb


In the UK, in such a situation, nothing could be done to prosecute the bloke unless the girl makes a complaint herself. The Police could walk in, mid-coitus and have him bang to rights, but if she is above the age of 14 then they cannot do anything at all without her say so.

It's something every teenage boy was very familiar with when I was a lad. It is quite hard to find a girl exactly your age, so invariably you'd end up with someone younger (or older, if you're lucky!). My first GF was 14 months younger than me and we did the deed quite a few times prior to her 16th - even her parents accepted that it was going to happen and just insisted we were safe when we did so.

Ironically, after we split up (she was 18 then) she met a South African illegal who was several years her senior (mid 20's), fell pregnant by him, married quickly (I suspect passport needs....) and then got the inevitable divorce, all by the time she was 21!

13 is too young, I think 15 is ideal as an age of consent. 15 is enough to prevent actual harmful molestation while not yet pandering to those who think merely "creepy" things should be illegal. 18 is too high, IMHO.

Most importantly, there have to be near-age exceptions (Romeo and Juliet laws). Because it is utterly stupid that two 15 year olds who have consentual sex should be criminals. Such cases are hardly ever prosecuted, but still it should be legal even on paper.

reply to post by Maslo


One thing I always found odd was that in cases of two underage persons (or even on slightly over and one under) it is nearly always the male that is prosecuted..... There does seem to be an element of sexism in that they always presume the male is the one who broke the law and the female the "victim".

Technically, if my ex felt malicious, I could fall foul of the very thing this Barrister is saying. At any time in my life, if she felt aggrieved for whatever reason, she could make a complaint and I could be arrested for engaging in sexual acts with a minor and, if found guilty, have to sign the sex offenders register.....

For what it's worth, William Roache (Ken Barlow of Corry fame) is being hard done by, I think.

At the time of the alleged offence he was 21 and she was 15, just under the age of consent. If he did have relations with her, even willingly, he is guilty of Statutory Rape whether she consented or not as she is below the age of legal consent.

It is entirely possible that not only was she willing, but she probably lied about how old she was. It was something that we were worried a lot about as young men in night clubs, as there would often be girls under the age of 16 in these places with fake ID (or just not checked by dumb door staff as they were pretty). If you are in a place were you expect people to be of a certain age and a pretty girl chats you up, then you end up ravaging here into next week, I think it is very harsh to then prosecute said person if it turns out the girl was under 16.... You're not exactly going to be asking for her ID when she is giving you the come on.....

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
i posted this on the other thread but....


In the Vatican the age of consent is 12…..


Just saying.

Vatican State [edit]

While the Vatican State has not made its own complete separate criminal code, and generally uses the Italian criminal code that was in effect at the time of the Lateran Treaty, there are exceptions to this rule. The "Law of the Source of Law" of the Vatican State requires that any Italian laws must first defer to divine law, to Papal decrees, and to canon law. As the Vatican understands divine law, all sex outside of marriage is illicit, and therefore the only lawful consent that may be made for sexual relations is the consent between a husband and a wife. Canon 1083 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law states that "A man before he has completed his sixteenth year of age and a woman before she has completed her fourteenth year of age cannot enter into a valid marriage." [87] Thus, assuming the couple is married, the minimum age of consent for lawful sexual relations according to Vatican law is 14 for females, and 16 for males.

en.wikipedia.org...

However it is 13 in Spain - Sickos!

Originally posted by Cinrad
However it is 13 in Spain - Sickos!

Or it just means they are not going to criminalise teenagers for doing what teenagers do?

When I was in Germany, around 8-10 years old, we used to have "peep shows" and some light touching with some of the girls of about the same age. Perfectly natural curiosity and quite harmless in the end, but if some sections of society had their way we would have been branded child molesters or perverts (even though we ere children)....

In some places if both are young then there it isn't a crime. Like a 16 yo boy and 15 yo girl or something. Never worried me, I think you should be married before engaging in physical intimacy.

Originally posted by Cinrad
Never worried me, I think you should be married before engaging in physical intimacy.

Where's the fun in that? You get married to a chick (who is also inexperienced) and you have a lifetime of rubbish sex with the same person.....

At least do your apprenticeship first, learn your trade and get to know the how instead of worrying about some outdated, religious nonsense.

You all are a bunch of old men haters

The end of the day it doesnt matter what the age of consent is ! These sick people will go about doing their thing regardless ! Just seems like a way to free up a lot of the courts time if you ask me. Preferably as far as I am concerned anyone involved in child porn.pedophilia deserves nothing short of death, no need to waste tax payers money feeding, and housing them in jail just get rid of them