Proof that all the outrage about Benghazi is fake and manufactured

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Oh... I understand it fine, thanks. Judging by the average messages here regarding participation in it, I get the distinct impression that I'm among a small number who actually drops the ding dongs and gets off the couch to go vote when the time rolls around. I don't buy the "they're all bought and paid for" attitude. Corrupt? Yes. Fuzzy little pets that belong to others? No. There is quite a difference there.

It may very well be that Kennedy showed where the line actually is for how far even a President can go in pushing back and if so, none have attempted to go that far since. However.... As much as our political system is compromised, I'll keep working within it, until it isn't there to work with. The alternative is...well, suicidal. That's not a direction I intend to go and I don't give up or quit. Defeatist isn't a state of mind I know how to accept.

It does seem to be the rule of the day for many though. Sad to see that....and a LARGE part of how our system has become as hopelessly compromised as it has, IMO.

As Benjamin Franklin was quoted to have said to a lady who asked what system they had created for the new nation, upon exiting the Constitutional Convention, “A republic madam…if you can keep it.”.

Well, we've very nearly lost it. The more people give up on it? The more certain it becomes a 100% self fulfilled prophecy for outcome.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Defeatist isn't a state of mind I know how to accept.

You are clearly not a Cubs fan...

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I am very happy to read your views.

Reform is necessary but reform must follow introspection.

The problem should be clear before a solution is found.

USA has some great people within it, people I admire and respect. But these people are also unfortunately sold on one world government and being superpower. They equate their prosperity to superpower status.

There are countries with higher per capita income than US who are not superpower and have no superpower ambitions. So this thinking is fundamentally wrong.

USA has great engineers, doctors, and scientists. This is what matters. To find solutions for the mankind. The unfortunate thing is to kill people for money without recourse to liberty and justice. Killing people does not make America great.

reply to post by GargIndia


really? The trail of dead bodies is getting longer for this administration.
You might wanna check it out.

Originally posted by thesungod
reply to post by GargIndia

 

They send huge escort teams for stuff like that. I know I've been there. We supported a bunch of spooks in OIF that were making deals with kurds. If you have no experience in such matters you shouldn't comment on them. Clandestine does not equal James Bond, it equals multiple small tactical teams. Ever stop to consider why they had teams waiting BEFORE the incident?

Now instead of deflecting try answering my 3 questions?

Gun running op may have been why they were there, but that does not justify not attempting to save your fellow countrymen. Republican, Democrat, Independent, or whatever shouldn't matter. Any given American is worth 568274657 of any other nationality in my opinion. I would expect the same thing from an Indian or Englishman to feel the same about their countrymen as well. If it does justify it for you, please don't bother replying. Our moral compasses are to different to have a meaningful conversation.

My answer is that this is not the first time such an attack has happened. The truth is the first recourse is always law and order staff of the host country.

Maybe Stevens life could have been saved. But why do we question this President for the decisions he made? Do we have all the facts on the table to question him?

reply to post by GargIndia


I'm not targetting the President par se. The WH is simply one of two groups able to give orders to SOCOM, therefore could have given the stand down order. Also could have been the DoD.

reply to post by thesungod


See there is always politics. Nobody questions that fact.

All rational people know that 'Al Qaida' is a creation of CIA. However things have not worked by the playbook for the USA in this case as the Muslims have grown richer and have their own agenda.

Benghazi 'diplomatic post' was functioning with the permission of Government of Libya. It was functioning for a specific purpose. We do no have what transpired between the US and Libya leading to the incident. We do not know what caused the incident.

We know US has assets around the world that can strike at couple of hours notice. But still Americans die overseas and such assets are not deployed. It is nothing new.

There are limits to American power that US citizens do not understand.

This world is more complex than people assume.

reply to post by GargIndia


What? Your rambling and not even remotely addressing what I've wrote.

Try answering my three questions or I'm done chatting with you.

Originally posted by peter_kandra
reply to post by 48e18

 

How many of those other incidents killed embassy personnel, rather than local police/security?
I think the real issue here though is the probable cover-up the administration engaged in.

So by you implication, American lives are worth more than other lives?

Originally posted by thesungod
reply to post by GargIndia

 

Gun running op may have been why they were there, but that does not justify not attempting to save your fellow countrymen. Republican, Democrat, Independent, or whatever shouldn't matter. Any given American is worth 568274657 of any other nationality in my opinion. I would expect the same thing from an Indian or Englishman to feel the same about their countrymen as well. If it does justify it for you, please don't bother replying. Our moral compasses are to different to have a meaningful conversation.

As far as my knowledge is concerned, there have been losses of CIA personnel in Pakistan and Afghanistan. There must be in other places as well.

Spying is a hazardous business by its very definition.

Gun running is not a diplomat's job. Diplomats do get higher level of security but diplomats are also higher up in the government hierarchy.

I do not agree with you that US government cares for each American's life. If that was the case, no Vietnam and Cambodia would have happened. Even Korea would not have happened.

CIA does not publish its losses, but I have a feeling that it must be incurring losses in thousands every year. A lot of these losses may not be US citizens but thats besides the point.

What difference does it make? ALOT
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by GargIndia


Rambling with no meaning and has nothing to do with what I wrote.

reply to post by thesungod


It is important to be ABLE to see the truth.

Not everybody has the ability. My words go over your head because your soul simply cannot receive my words.

Originally posted by GargIndia

Maybe Stevens life could have been saved. But why do we question this President for the decisions he made? Do we have all the facts on the table to question him?

I agree. I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I think that that's exactly what most people that are upset about this want: All the facts on the table. The appearance is that the President, or at least his administration, has attempted to deny all those facts to the public from the beginning.

reply to post by GargIndia


They aren't going over my head they are deflecting drivel attempting to draw away from my questions that are point blank unanswerable without implicating someone in the current administration or appointed by them.

Oh and I use my mind to reason, not my "soul". You should try it sometime.

reply to post by thesungod


Why is the guy that made the supposedly "lethal" video still in Jail? If it was just a terrorist act.

reply to post by Happy1


Cause he still has a copy of "Desert Warriors" that wasn't overdubbed and he won't give it up?

Oh and probation violations.