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posted on May, 9 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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In 1905, Teddy Roosevelt negotiated the end of the Russo-Japanese war. During this time the US made a gamble the Japanese that would, in their eyes, allow Britan and the US to take China and leave the Koreas and south for the Japanese. When the time was right, the US and Japan would take China...with Russia next.

However, the Japanese saw what was coming and decided to act.

Then, in WW2, the Japanese decided that they needed to stop the industrial complex that was coming to the Asias and they attacked Pearl Harbor. This was to 'stop' expansion. FDR, Teddys distant cousin, opened the door for the Japanese with the 'Vacant Sea' policy, allowing Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor and minimizing civilian casualties. This allowed them into the war to eventually take what was theirs. At the time, almose 90% of the nation wanted us to stay out of WW2.

This was all put into play by the Progressive movement years before. They bombed the Japanese back to the stone Age when they realized they would not be able to implement the plan and had to wait another 50 years and we are where we are today.

Fear of China growing and the decline of America makes money. Rich Chinese were buying up property to put a foothold in America for their countrymen and women to be educated or to flip, not to take over. This started heavily during the Clinton era. Chinas growth is leveling out and soon, a lot of those properties will be sold again to stabilise wealth and not grow it and like always, the world banks make the money.
edit on 9-5-2013 by esdad71 because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 9 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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As long as the dollar is used to trade oil, USA will stay number one. Indeed this is the driving force behind the worldwide US military action.

China and the east are in a constant bid to trade oil in their own currency and thats why the USA invaded Iraq, and supported the arab spring.



posted on May, 9 2013 @ 12:36 PM
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If the Petro-Dollar is based on nothing more than a promise then basically the entire worlds money is the same. If China does go back to the gold standard then it puts them in a very strong position, if you couple that with the speculation that the NWO have moved their (our) gold to the far-east then it paints a disturbing picture for the future of the U.S. China may not surpass the U.S this century but unless WW3 does break out then China will be top dog.



posted on May, 9 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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I always felt, and still do, that propping up China as the next super power was
by design, so that they could pull the plug, and make the country implode later on.



posted on May, 9 2013 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by LastStarfighter
As long as the dollar is used to trade oil, USA will stay number one. Indeed this is the driving force behind the worldwide US military action.

China and the east are in a constant bid to trade oil in their own currency and thats why the USA invaded Iraq, and supported the arab spring.




I once read somewhere that china the east were trying to create their own organization an trade within themselves with there currency, I have'nt heard anything since tho.



posted on May, 9 2013 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by EA006
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 


If the Petro-Dollar is based on nothing more than a promise then basically the entire worlds money is the same. If China does go back to the gold standard then it puts them in a very strong position, if you couple that with the speculation that the NWO have moved their (our) gold to the far-east then it paints a disturbing picture for the future of the U.S. China may not surpass the U.S this century but unless WW3 does break out then China will be top dog.


The entire world money isn't the same at all. The dollar is special because other countries have to pay interest to the FED in order to have their yuan or whatever converted to dollars so they can buy oil.



posted on May, 9 2013 @ 05:57 PM
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They may have to convert it to dollars but it's still based on a promise.



posted on May, 9 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by lunarcartographer
Energy - The lack of any significant oil and natural gas in China vs the fact that the US will become oil independent based on the massive shale oil and natural gas reserves, and will be an important factor in the direction of future economies of both US and China.

------- International Security Observer ------------------

"Shale Oil Revolution in America. How does it affect the world?

The World Energy Outlook’s forecast in October 2012 that the United States of America will overtake the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in oil production has initiated a new debate within the oil industry – Will this lead to a fundamental change in global oil markets? Will the importance of the Middle East decline? Will the US-Middle East relationship weaken because of this development?

The industry’s concern is not unfounded. This forecast challenges some of the basic tenets of the global oil industry. For decades, Saudi Arabia has been the largest source of oil in the world, closely followed by Russia. With one fifth of the world’s proven oil reserves[ii] and considerable power wielded within the OPEC (Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries) the Kingdom has held and continues to hold immense sway on how oil moves around the world. The US, consuming approximately 25 per cent of the world’s oil is the largest consumer and importer of oil, despite a decline in consumption in the past year (due to low domestic demand).[iii] In recent years, China’s imports have increased making it the second largest importer of crude oil in the world but the US is still the largest consumer of energy, by a significant margin.[iv]

Nevertheless, the development and exploitation of shale oil reserves in the US seem to challenge these “traditional norms”. In 2011, the US exported more gasoline, diesel and other petroleum products than it imported – for the first time since 1949[v]. Crude oil imports reduced to their lowest since 1999 because of reduced domestic demand and growth in domestic production from shale oil reserves.

Link to article:
securityobserver.org...

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America can be oil dependent at anytime, the more people see this, the quicker they can realize that all this talk about china being top dog will go down the drain. Saudi oil will last for another 50 yrs after which the US will become a major exporter itself. China has zero resources at home, so what you think is gonna happen in 10 years?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:01 AM
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The fact that people believed that China's economy is any more stable than ours is proof of the propaganda used to scare the U.S.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by EA006
reply to post by LastStarfighter
 


They may have to convert it to dollars but it's still based on a promise.


Are you saying there is ethics in international banking and arms trading? A promise implies some kind of ethical code. Further I am not sure what you are talking about regarding the promise.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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China will take what it needs.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:28 PM
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This comes to mind.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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I may be wrong if I am then I am but I believe the petro dollar is linked to the price of oil not backed by it, therefore it's still based on a promise. And you're right about the ethics in international banking and arms dealing there are non at the top, it's what we are told to believe.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:43 PM
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China doesn't have a culture of honesty and will self destruct eventually from corruption. The people
will be relatively docile as long as there is growth. When they are poisoned and abused
sufficiently they will have a civil war. Then we will have shortages of everything!

Chinese people are becoming increasingly alarmed
from the quality of their food, for example. There is a huge business of shipping American
baby food from the USA because brand alone isn't sufficient proof of safety.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by EA006
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China will take what it needs.

I don't dispute that, one only has to look at south america, china is that big fat kid that bullys other smaller kids, but never will face a person of equal size or greater.
In other words, sure, china can just take it....from 3rd world countries. But from the US? No, not at all, an thats an answer with confidence.



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 01:48 PM
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The Bear and the Dragon, (or maybe The Dragon and the Bear...I forget), was also an excellent Clancy book dealing with China's economic/resource needs.

I'm wondering how long for Germanicus to log in one of his alternate accounts and tell us how foolish this article is?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Just saw this today.
So to add....

House passes 'Pay China First' Act


(RT.com)-The Republican-controlled United States House of Representatives approved a bill on Thursday that would require the government to begin paying back foreign nations before spending funds on domestic items.





Because the government would have to settle up its debt with bond holders first, foreign nations — particularly China — would be the first to receive payment in theory. Opponents of the bill has thus labeled HR 807 the “Pay China First Act,” a moniker that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) didn’t disagree with in an interview just days before it was passed.

rt.com...



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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DP
edit on 10-5-2013 by Black_Fox because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by UMayBRite!
China doesn't have a culture of honesty and will self destruct eventually from corruption. The people
will be relatively docile as long as there is growth. When they are poisoned and abused
sufficiently they will have a civil war. Then we will have shortages of everything!

Chinese people are becoming increasingly alarmed
from the quality of their food, for example. There is a huge business of shipping American
baby food from the USA because brand alone isn't sufficient proof of safety.



I totally agree, the People of china are not the enemy, their government an its leaders are, course even with its people their is corruption, what country does'nt have that tho. I recently read an article that an underground food bust went down, here is the article,
www.nytimes.com...
If china can't even correctly feed its people proper food safety regs, then how could they be a leader? An thats the mentality of some of their people. Unbelievable.
Chinas prosperity has only been an illusion.
Here is another link to check out, its really food for thought.
m.csmonitor.com...
Amy thoughts?



posted on May, 10 2013 @ 05:36 PM
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The thing about China is that the government, private sector and the banks have been totally abusing the fact that a large part of the economy is still planned and state owned, This has allowed local government to make very stupid decisions in this mad drive fro GDP growth spurred on by greed by the private sector and banks and corruption which has seeped into the government. The bourgeois have gotten out of in China since they were allowed back into power after Mao died. The kind of growth China has been able to pull off is not sustainable by any measure.
The odd thing is that a large part of this growth has come by way of construction. Massive useless construction which has only benefited on the bourgeois class.







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