Currently Used Nursing Textbook Encourages Nurses to be Anti Gun Advocates

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posted on May, 8 2013 @ 02:47 PM
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I find this extremely disturbing. This is the type of political crap that is ruining education and the medical community. Why do we need to teach our young nurses to be anti-second amendment spokespersons?

From the Guns Save Lives blog

The book, Pediatric Nursing: Caring for Children and Their Families, which, according to Amazon reviews, is currently in use in nursing schools contains some telling advice for future nurses.

The book basically says nurses need to be anti gun, discourage firearm ownership and support legislation which supports the regulation of semi automatic firearms.


I have taken the liberty to rewrite this tripe:

Firearm Injury Prevention


Home

  1. Communicate the benefits of keeping a firearm in the home.
  2. Advise that to deter home invasion, it is safest to keep a firearm in the home.
  3. Review safe methods of storage.
  4. Educate caregivers to teach children how to safely handle and use firearms.
  5. Explain that handguns and semiautomatic weapons are most effective for home defense.
  6. Explain to caregivers that it is best to teach adolescents how to safely handle and shoot firearms rather than attempt to prevent access and therefore glamorize firearms, as the hypocritical media does.

School

  1. Encourage teachers and other staff members to obtain their concealed carry permit to be able to defend themselves and their students.
  2. Have after-school programs in gun safety and shooting sports to teach student responsibility.

Community

  1. In an effort to reduce the romanticization of guns in the popular media, avoid entertainment produced by the television and motion picture industries.
  2. Discourage legislation that in any way infringes upon the rights of law abiding citizens the ability to own any type of firearm for self defense and to protect against tyranny.
  3. Improve the safety of playgrounds and parks by encouraging law abiding citizens to both open carry and carry concealed firearms in order to defend against criminals.




posted on May, 8 2013 @ 02:51 PM
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Crazy. What does any of that have to do with nursing?

While they're wiping my rear or changing my pan they're supposed to talk to me about guns?



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Crazy. What does any of that have to do with nursing?

While they're wiping my rear or changing my pan they're supposed to talk to me about guns?


My wife is a RN, and has a Bachelors of Science in Nursing, and honestly, I find your comment degrading and sexist. My wife is an extremely hard worker, much like many peers in her field. She doesn't often wipe butts, or change pans, because her level of training and degree received actually calls for her to triage your whiny butt, help doctors diagnose your illnesses, detect early warning signs, responsibly keep track and administer your medications, and also advice against ill actions that doctors may take due to lack of knowledge about a patient. You should really take heed in referring to a service field like nursing as "butt wipers" and "pan changers". Nurses save as many lives as police, emts, and firefighters, and typically do it while working in understaffed, underpayed, and extremely stressful environments, all with a smile on their face, and a love for their career. And my wife, being the wife of a former marine and two time iraq vet, probably knows more about firearms than you ever will. Jerk.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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Sure, I'll give you it downplays what they do.

But sexist? What did I say that's sexist? Point it out.

Seems you've attached these tasks to a specific gender all on your own. Good job.....sexist.

Still, this has nothing to do with nursing.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Looking at some of it it's good sense like not romanticizing gun ownership, but i'd imagine it written to reduce the work nurses have to do when untrained kids+guns collide but some other parts do sound a bit strange so i wonder if its been written by a gun safety committee under orders to try and not seem too anti guns



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen
I find this extremely disturbing.



Here's the link to the book on Amazon...
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It doesnt seem to be a book with any "official" status.
Really its just another book written by some authors who put forward their point of view.

I find it disturbing that you'd like to censor out the views of private individuals. Perhaps a bit of book burning is the order of the day then, for books that contain content that you dont approve of.

(or, you could just write your own book)



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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I could understand this as you get so many casualties from guns.

But do they give the same treatment for cars? Or alcohol?



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by templar knight
I could understand this as you get so many casualties from guns.

But do they give the same treatment for cars? Or alcohol?


Unless the kid is an alcoholic car thief, lol.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
What does any of that have to do with nursing?

All part of the same operation...

The Illuminati satanists completely control the medical industry.


"In fact, I point out that all the conspiracies in history - especially during the last 5000 years - are actually different aspects of the same conspiracy. Some people fixed on one aspect of the conspiracy, and say this is the problem, others say another thing, but the thing is all the conspirators work together. All the conspirators are part of the same operation. And this is what people find very reluctant." - Eustace Mullins


"The medical industry is no longer to be trusted. We have a Medical Inquisition. The Rockefellers took it over way back and warped a lot of it. Our doctors are brainwashed. The Rockefellers are dedicated to population reduction and are using the medical industry to do it."

Confessions of a Medical Heretic



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen
I find this extremely disturbing.



Here's the link to the book on Amazon...
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It doesnt seem to be a book with any "official" status.
Really its just another book written by some authors who put forward their point of view.

I find it disturbing that you'd like to censor out the views of private individuals. Perhaps a bit of book burning is the order of the day then, for books that contain content that you dont approve of.

(or, you could just write your own book)




I am criticizing the book for advocating political points of view that have little or nothing to do with nursing. I am not asking for it to be censored.

I defend the entire bill of rights, including the first amendment.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 03:36 PM
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I can understand how you might get upset, and possibly even see it as an attack on your wife. On the other hand, you seem to be overly sensitive to a throwaway line in a post.

Further, it seems as though you've let your passion run away with you. During your response, you never touched on the subject of guns, and called another member a jerk.

However you see your wife (who is , I am sure, a wonderful person), it is clearly a change in the nursing role. We don't see nurses asking about helmet use for motorcycle riders, seat belt use for drivers, or advocating for one side of a highly contentious political issues.

There is a tradition of Medicine being affected by political pressure and it seems to be happening here.
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Alfa1, this is not just another book. It is a clearly a textbook which is being used to train and shape the actions of nurses. The OP believes it has a significant flaw. Is it's teaching appropriate? In this instance, I would agree with the OP and say not. It doesn't have to be burned, but as a faulty tool, it should never be used.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 05:36 PM
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Education in general has become a propaganda machine for turning out leftist/socialists. It started in universitys and has worked it way down to kindergarten. They are teaching what to think instead of HOW to think. Education should be neutral!



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 05:49 PM
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I read the entire post and nowhere the post refers to anything sexiest or otherwise, neither offending nurses.

It talks about nursing text books. BTW my daughter is also a nurse and I do not feel offended by that post or this thread.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 06:29 PM
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Between family and friends, I've known about two dozen nurses over the years. Every single one has been dead set against the following, regardless of their political stripe:

1) Guns in the home
2) Motorcycles
3) Drinking and Driving

Nothing to do with political indoctrination, everything to do with having to deal with what happens when things go wrong on a daily basis.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 06:35 PM
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You're exactly right. What people don't understand about nurses is that an integral portion of their job is to educate the public. Before any patient goes home, there is nursing education that is needed to be performed. And just where does this guy think patients with gun shots go? That's right...the emergency department, and often the ICU. The doctors do not perform most of the education, the nurses do. So, in fact, it's very practical for nurses to have appropriate knowledge to educate patients prior to discharge.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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I am a RN. I love my guns. It is not my job to wipe your bottom I am much too busy for that. You are thinking of CNAs. Nurses run the hospital. We do everything except write prescriptions. We know much more about your health and you than your doctor. We even have to remind doctors why they can't prescribe certain meds to certain patients. You have no clue how much science I had to learn to graduate.

This textbook the op is referring to is completely foreign to me. I graduated in December so I'm about as up to date as it gets. I wore my favorite glock shirt weekly to school no one ever told me guns were a bad idea. In fact, the instructors were always bragging about the time three men tried to carjack me but fled when they saw my beautiful gen 4 glock forty cal with 23 rounds. (Extended mag plus 1). Don't get upset over this molehill. And don't degrade nurses. You have no idea.

From my cold dead hands.
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posted on May, 8 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by riffraff
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I am a RN. I love my guns. It is not my job to wipe your bottom I am much too busy for that. You are thinking of CNAs. Nurses run the hospital. We do everything except write prescriptions.


"We do everything except write prescriptions." And wipe bottoms. Sorry but I do have a problem with my father laying in a messed diaper for over an hour causing him to get raw, because he had to wait for a CNA to come around on rounds again. He was 84 and bed ridden because of severe diabetic cellulitis and the IV antibiotics were not helping much. He was humiliated to have to wear the diaper in the first place. The RN's said it wasn't their job he had to wait for a CNA.



posted on May, 8 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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do not apologize. your father's care was unacceptable. sitting in excrement can lead to tissue break down, septic shock, urinary tract infections and a whole myriad of other serious conditions aside from being indignant and degrading. Nurses do not wipe bottoms not because we are too good to. (trust me I have wiped more than you being a father and going through nursing school). Nurses do not wipe bottoms because we have sooooooo much more responsibility than the layperson realizes. We are responsible for physical assessments, charting, vital signs, charting, accuchecks, charting, medications administration, charting, insulins, charting, foley catheter insertions, INT insertions, hang IV bags making sure everything is compatible, blood administration, teaching, discharge and what else am I forgetting.... oh yeah, charting. and guess what that's all before lunch time. then you get to do it all over again. and no one else is certified to do any of that. no LPN's, No CNA's, no one can do that but the RN. now multiply that by 6 because that is how many patients a nurse usually has... I usually work 12 hours without so much as a bathroom break.... IF, IF, IF a nurse wipes your bottom it is because he has ten minutes to spare and does so out of the goodness of his heart....do not blame the nurse for your fathers treatment. blame the hospital for not hiring enough CNA's or blame the CNA..(who are also underpaid and underappreciated.)

Would you go to the mall and yell at the security guards for the Vice Lords robbing the bank last week? No you wouldn't because it's not their department...Nursing has evolved into a highly specialized and skilled field...It's not 1960 anymore...

But this is not a thread about the obligations of a nurse. The nurse practice act and board of nursing have clearly defined those duties. This is a thread about nursing and guns. And I think I have proven that nurses are not all anti gun
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posted on May, 9 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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Ihave known many nurses, and doctors. I am maried to nurse that holds a BSN and is working towards her masters. She also owns her own firearm, as well as her own motorcycle as do approximately 75% of the nurses in her department.

Ican see your point from a personal experience stand, however it can't be taken in as the norm as that would be considered 'facts not in evidence'. If I might make an assumption of my own, perhaps it has more to do with area the nurses are in, or perhaps just like minded people tending to gather together (on both of our experiences)



posted on May, 9 2013 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Magister

Originally posted by riffraff
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I am a RN. I love my guns. It is not my job to wipe your bottom I am much too busy for that. You are thinking of CNAs. Nurses run the hospital. We do everything except write prescriptions.


"We do everything except write prescriptions." And wipe bottoms. Sorry but I do have a problem with my father laying in a messed diaper for over an hour causing him to get raw, because he had to wait for a CNA to come around on rounds again. He was 84 and bed ridden because of severe diabetic cellulitis and the IV antibiotics were not helping much. He was humiliated to have to wear the diaper in the first place. The RN's said it wasn't their job he had to wait for a CNA.


The most cruel professionals I've ever encountered are from within the nursing community. They depict an unprecedented capacity for witnessing suffering without so much as a feigned offer to call for help. I've even heard several laughing about their patients' "suffering". And I've never met one who didn't know tons more than a medical doctor.





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